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How to effectively use DVD+R DL???
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VJbob
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24. June 2005 @ 15:01 |
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OK I realized when I was making a test backup of my "Gladiator" DVD that the Ridata backup cost about $5 where as the original costed about $10. That probably wasn't a good or efficient use of money and by backing up the main movie with DVD Shrink or Nero Recode probably would've yieleded a DVD of good comparable quality.
I guess what I'm wondering is how to use dual layer media effectively now that I've bought a wacky Dual Layer writer. My friend suggests for backing up pron at high quality which sounds reasonable. Another suggested putting all 3 Back to the Futures on 1 DVD but that probably requires new and not-free programs. I read in a thread that people only backup movies with Angelina Jolies boobs with dual layer media; I guess thats reasonable.
Just wondering cause I'm starting to think I wasted my money. Especially since HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will be out by the beginning of next year and probably have built in writable drives and media by this time next year.
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paztelu
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24. June 2005 @ 15:36 |
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Yes but HD-DVD and Blu-ray drives will cost lots of $$$, so a way to effectively use DVD+R DL, probbably for backing up movies with no quality loss, rip it with DVD decrypter and burn the files with nero easy, you can put to movies in a DVD+R DL but not 3!!! you can but the quality will suck, maybe two so that maybe good option for you DVD+R DL, but here(South America) where original DVD's cost 35 dollars while a DL cost 11 or even less so I mostly use my DL to backups of my "cough" originals "cough" without loosing quality.
PS: You did not waste your money, DL technology will come very handfull in the in a not so far future where Dl media prices go down.
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25. June 2005 @ 11:39 |
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paztelu,
You really should have that cold checked out or cut back on smokes :)
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VJbob
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25. June 2005 @ 12:40 |
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I checked and the dvd I burned with dvd-decrypter was 'dvd-rom' booktyped. I was wondering though, since ripping the ISO creates an 'mds' and 'ifo' file shouldn't it work better to use DVD Decrypter to burn since it uses the same format. I remember I had a couple of times where I ripped an iso with decrypter and burned with Nero and it failed.
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paztelu
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25. June 2005 @ 13:56 |
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The problem is that sometimes DVD Decrypter writes certain parameters on the Iso file (like add layer flag) that Nero tries to write again so there lies the problem, but the best way you can assure you dont have this problem is to rip the movie as files then burn them with Nero.
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VJbob
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29. June 2005 @ 14:02 |
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Thats good to know since my DL DVD+R - DVD-ROM booktype had problems in playback when ripped as an ISO and burned with Decrypter. I guess for PS2 backups I'll go back to using Nero express to copy disc and not decrypt them as an iso and burn them. Somebody once told me that doing ps2 games using only decrypter was better than Nero.
Anyway, I just read over the guide for backups of DL DVD+R using DVD Rebuilder and CCE basic and I was wondering why I would want to use that instead of Nero to burn a full disc. I can't figure out why somebody would do that unless they wanted to remove excess titles and audios.
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29. June 2005 @ 17:56 |
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@VJbob, et al,
You might lQQk elsewhere for your failed attempt. Ripping with DVDD in the ISO Mode copies everything, every nuance of the original and delivers it to DVD Shrink (or other proggy). Burning it to disc using Nero should pose no problem with the new Nero. The past version of Nero did have some reported issues that have been corrected. I would point out that I probably have done a couple of hundred discs that way and never had a problem BUT there were pple who reported problems that no fix was found for in Digital Video Forum so I'm assuming there was some validity to their complaint.
Next, to the question about using CCE ReBuilder vs. Nero. There is no comparison between the 2. CCE ReBuilder is so superior it doesn't bear discussion. Nero is usually fine for the majority of pple but, for those with time to spare, usually about 2 1/2 to 3 hours vs. 30-40 minutes for Nero, the quality produced by CCE ReBuilder is so close to the original for those discs requiring compression as to be indistinguishable from the original by almost any comparison one could make.
A generally excepted rule is that quality = time. There are of course some low end programs that seem to take forever and still stink BUT for the most part that rule holds true.
As to the subject, of Games , the reason that DVDD in the ISO Mode is used is, when ripping in the File Mode there are parts of the original not transferred . When coping a game that is simply unacceptable. See paragraph 1 of this post ~
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Ripping with DVDD in the ISO Mode copies everything, every nuance of the original
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sometimes DVD Decrypter writes certain parameters on the Iso file (like add layer flag) that Nero tries to write again
Anything that might be picked up is lost when DVD Shrink OR Nero Recode, etc. that I don't believe it poses any realistic problem. See my note about some issues with Nero's last offering. Working with ISO's is extremely labor intensive and it is a fact that the vast majority of pple multi-task OR have far too much running in msconfig's startup window therefore, even though they may have sufficient resources, those resources just aren't available. The fact remains, to rip in the File Mode, not everything is picked up whereas ripping in the ISO mode will catch every, hiccup, burp and belch placed upon the disc by the original disc pressing.
Try asking how many pple had problems making an exact copy of an episodel set of DVD's (one of my major hobbies) and you sea that there are problems with everything from only the first (or the largest) episode being copied to the malfunction of the main episodel menus to the inability of the disc to stop between episodes.
Thanks for the soap-box, (Lol)
Peace all,
Pete
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30. June 2005 @ 01:08 |
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I guess what I'm wondering is how to use dual layer media effectively now that I've bought a wacky Dual Layer writer. My friend suggests for backing up pron at high quality which sounds reasonable. Another suggested putting all 3 Back to the Futures on 1 DVD but that probably requires new and not-free programs. I read in a thread that people only backup movies with Angelina Jolies boobs with dual layer media; I guess thats reasonable.
The only time I backed up movies on DL media is when I really like the movie or it's way over 2 hours long i.e. Matrix Revolution, TLOTR: The 2 Towers/Return Of The King, Scarface, HEAT, Spiderman 2, X-MEN 2, STAR WAR, etc. Other than that, I'll just use DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink to get the main movie on a single DVD5 only.
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VJbob
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30. June 2005 @ 13:08 |
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whoa, dude, a lot of that is way over my head. Thanks though. So I guess for games that means 'don't' use Decrypter to rip/burn iso and instead use Nero to 'copy discs' for backups?
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30. June 2005 @ 18:56 |
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I guess what I'm wondering is how to use dual layer media effectively now that I've bought a wacky Dual Layer writer. My friend suggests for backing up pron at high quality which sounds reasonable. Another suggested putting all 3 Back to the Futures on 1 DVD but that probably requires new and not-free programs. I read in a thread that people only backup movies with Angelina Jolies boobs with dual layer media; I guess thats reasonable.
IMHO, I've done over 80 Dual Layered discs to date (recently a test of Memorex vs. Verbatim's) and solely because of the cost factor, I suggest using DL discs for "flippers" OR 2-disc DVD's. With the excellent programs we have today it makes the job not only possible and easy, it allows us to do it with no noticeable loss of quality. I have also put over 6 hour of DVD quality movies on a DL disc without a hitch. Yes, I know, it was advertised as being able to do that BUT I don't trust advertisements, they lie !
Among my other trials, I've placed 6, 2-hour + movies on a single DL disc and I must say, yet again, I was delighted with the results. The first time I did it, I used DVD2One in the "Join", Non-Seamless - Put in the next titleset Mode. The second time, I used my trusty Nero Recode2. I did not use DVD Shrink as I was adding movies together and wanted to keep the menus. Other than that, DVD Shrink could be used without a problem. Again, as always, I suggest the Deep Analysis and Maximum Sharpness - with Recode2 I used the Advanced Analysis and Recodes "High quality Mode" (slow encoding) for the best results. Again, my results were nothing short of outstanding.
So, for Dual Layered DVD recordings, on those $5.00 a piece DVD's, I suggest you use them for your 2-disc DVD's, your "Flippers" and multi-DVD discs for those long car trips. It's just so much easier to run movie after movie rather than shift through a stack of DVD's in a moving vehicle, all the while trying to keep them from becoming scratched.
Again, that's my 2-cents,
@VJbob
Pay close attention my friend. Games are something else entirely something else.
While I agree with the policy of ripping regular DVD's in the File Mode, the File Mode[/b] doesn't get everything on the disc.
Actually my post said:
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The fact remains, to rip in the File Mode, not everything is picked up whereas ripping in the ISO mode will catch every, hiccup, burp and belch placed upon the disc by the original disc pressing.
With a movie it generally doesn't matter, with an episodel DVD many times (more than less) you will not have a perfect copy unless you rip in the ISO Mode.
How did you miss that part ?
Games are another thing entirely. You must acquire everything on the disc iffin ya want to play a games from it. Use DVDD to rip that there game -
Cheers all,
Pete
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VJbob
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1. July 2005 @ 13:04 |
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I've become very interested in CCE + Rebuilder, especially since its summer and I have the time to invest. However it seems ScubaPete prefers uses Nero Recode like myself so I'm wondering if its even necessary. It seems like Blu-Ray will be dominant and be the standard for about 2-3 years until movies become like Rhapsody where you can rent and stream them for a monthly fee.
Anyhow, so Decrypter for games got it. Does that mean Nero 'copy disc' doesn't rip and iso and rips files instead? Thats probaly what I didn't understand.
As for CCE + Rebuilder, is that only for DL DVD+R or can you use CCE for single layer discs? If so, how involved a process is it? Do I have to be a computer science expert or can it be learned reasonably? Where do I start? You would think someone would have made an FAQ or 'how to' since this seems to be the preferred method.
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2. July 2005 @ 05:03 |
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ahhhhhhhhhhhh this I can answer!~ I use DVDDcryter, DVDREmake, DVDREbuilder and then burn with CopytoDVD. Never had a problem with any DVD and all had great results as the quality of the DVD is great!
get all your info about DVDRebuilder here:
http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/dvd_rebuilder_tutorial.cfm
you can download everything you need and it even gives you a tuturial to learn from! this is the way I started with it and now I'm a Backup burning fool!
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ScubaPete
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4. July 2005 @ 19:04 |
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Does that mean Nero 'copy disc' doesn't rip and iso and rips files instead?
I've read that 4 times and still can't understand it ~ Am I getting old OR could you have missed inserting a word or two that would help me make sense out of it ??
The part I do understand is:
Correct, Nero doesn't rip. Copy disc works in the "File" mode and though I'm not a "Gammer" and don't do games, I would use DVDD to rip in the ISO Mode.
Question, to help me along:
Can one compress game discs from a DL to a single layer and have the game work ?
If the answer is, "Yes," then I would rip in the ISO mode, compress with Nero or Shrink and burn as an ISO.
If the answer is, "No", then, rip with DVDD in a ISO mode, split with Nero, Shrink OR just mount on Nero's Virtual Drive and play it from there. If splitting, then burn as an ISO BUT then, that's me. I want everything that's on the original that makes it work so well.
Just to answer the question that IHoe didn't answer for you, Yes, of course you can use it on a single-layer disc. That's really what it's for, when using a DL and making a direct copy from the original to the DL, it would be a 1:1 copy. A 1:1 copy is exact in every manner and you wouldn't use anything ~ there would be no sense to it. When you have a perfect copy, there's no way to make it more perfect-er. (Lol)
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Pete
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4. July 2005 @ 19:24 |
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scubba I didn't answer that question cause I couldn't understand it either and the fact that I don't do games..... sooooooooo I'm sorry!!! next time I'll try harder!
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VJbob
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6. July 2005 @ 21:02 |
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OK decided to investigate DVD-RB but ran into a problem with running CCE SP 2.70 trial version.
My version CCE SP 2.70 is not supported by the current release of eclcce 1.81 from the doom9.org forums and the creator seems to have left it for someone else to finish. Does anybody have updated version of "eclcce" since it currently only supports CCE SP 2.66 and 2.67.
I tried to download the trial version of CCE SP 2.67 from afterdawn but it links to 2.70. Can anybody help me with this? Thanks.
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6. July 2005 @ 21:28 |
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I'm not sure if this is what you're looking for but here is the link to dvd-rb installer. http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op=viewdown...
I seriously doubt I will use many DL discs for my backups since they are still so pricy and besides since I already have RB/CCE and the video quality is so good that I can't distinguish any difference between the backup of a 6000 to 7000 mb folder encoded with rb/cce (to fit on a 50 cent verbatum hub printable dvd5) and the original on my 52" HDTV.
Compressing/encoding large video folders is where rb/cce excels with minimal video quality loss.
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Mort.. I also agree with you! I use DVD-RB and it's great. Did you upgrade to Pro 1.0... it's even better! but I did find out about another program, DVDCopy3. It's fast and easy....but you can't control the burning speed..... so I just save target to an empty folder and then use CopytoDVD at 4x to burn! you can burn the entire movie.....or just the movie itself! I didn't try to break anything down so I don't have a full report on it but the quality is TOP NOTCH! If you don't have this simple program you can download it here for it's trial version: http://www.intervideo.com/jsp/InterVideoDVDCopy_Profile.jsp
I got this from BBmayo..... he knows his stuff! he was going to add this to his Guide page but the programs is sooooooooo straight forward and easy he desided not to bother! here is his guide page: http://home.comcast.net/~bbmayo/index.html
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Hi IHoe,
Yeah I've got the pro version of DVD-RB. I've also had DVDCopy3 for some time. I use it when I'm in a hurry or want movie only. I think it is second only to RB/CCE. I think it was jim_dandy and myself that explained to you how to control the burn speed by saving to a folder and then burning with Nero. Have a good one.
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7. July 2005 @ 09:06 |
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Righttttttyyyyyyyy ooooooooHHHHH!! you two know your stuff and I am always open to good advise!!! and it shows, too!
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7. July 2005 @ 09:23 |
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IHoe, you be cool. We were all newbies at one time. I started out with dvdcopy xpress, memorex media, and a litey LDW-451S. I don't have or use any of those anymore. I've learned a lot here on AD and applied a little common sense along the way.
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7. July 2005 @ 09:35 |
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meeeeeeee too! LOL and those disks are still working! that's caue 3 years ago Memorex used to be Ricohjnp manufacturer ID! Those are better than the CMC crap they make today!
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VJbob
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7. July 2005 @ 21:43 |
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Uh guys. . . is DVDcopy3 and CopytoDVD, are those authoring tools like SHRINK or burning tools like Nero. Is there any reason I should not use Nero as my default burner for DVD-RB output files?
Is DVD-RB already out of beta and has a 1.0 pro version? Is that available somewhere to download?
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is DVDcopy3 and CopytoDVD, are those authoring tools like SHRINK or burning tools like Nero
These are transcoders like DVD Shrink. DVDCopy3 has its own burning engine. I'm not sure if CopytoDVD does or not. DVDCopy3 is my second transcoder/encoder of choice after RB/CCE.
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Is there any reason I should not use Nero as my default burner for DVD-RB output files?
No, Nero is fine, one of the best (if not the best) burning apps.
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Is DVD-RB already out of beta and has a 1.0 pro version? Is that available somewhere to download?
Yes, they just came out with a DVD-RB RC 1.0 Pro this week. I think you have to get the free version first and then donate in order to upgrade to the RC 1.0 Pro version. I got the upgrade automatically because I had donated and already had a DVD-RB VIP Pro account.
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I use CopytoDVD strictly as my writer lik you do with Nero. I use both... just my pref! It does a great job and it's very easy to use!
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VJbob
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9. July 2005 @ 10:23 |
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are the changes in 1.0 significant (movie only mode available?). Has it been bug checked and tested enough? If so where and how much do I donate. I'm interested. RB/CCE backs up episodic DVDs very well.
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