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Would I be better off getting a dual-layer burner?
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2talll
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7. July 2005 @ 05:17 |
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95% of the DVDs that come out messed up (skipping titles, scramlbed scenes, freezing, etc) are on disks where I had to split a movie. I hate compressing much lower than 90% because then it's too noticeable so I just split most of the movies.
Would you guys suggest just going and getting an external dual layer burner- then I wouldn't have that problem?
I read somewhere on here that Windows XP doesn't "play well" with dual layer burners- any truth to that and if so how do you deal with it?
I'd much rather pay a little more now and get a better burner if it means I don't have to go out and re-borrow the movies from my friends and family and have to keep buying new DVD+Rs each time a dick messes up.
THanks for the advice and help!
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7. July 2005 @ 05:44 |
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The only issue Ive heard with dual layered disc, is that some dvd standalones wont play them,the xp thing is a new one on me.
Dual layered burners arent much more expensive than the single layered anymore, so if you can afford the blank media, then why not go dual layered?
Your skipping, and freezing problems, sound more like the results of using cheap media.
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7. July 2005 @ 05:53 |
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I have to agree with Jim Dandy if you are experiencing playback problems it is more than likely the media you are using, or you firmware is not up to date.
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2talll
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7. July 2005 @ 05:59 |
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I get the same problems no matter what media I use (Fuji, Sony, etc).
I was warned not to even try updating firmware although I was also told it wasn't a problem, (I found a site online that had updated firmware) because it could possibly "break" the drive and make it useless. Seeing as my drive is unremoveable- my entire laptop would be pretty much worthless if that would happen.
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7. July 2005 @ 06:12 |
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Firmware is what aids your drive in recognizing new media and write speed. If you feel you do not want to update your firmware you will probably keep experiencing difficulties. You probably would be better off getting an external, you can pick up a Lite-on for about a 100.00. Are you sure you are splitting your movie correctly?
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2talll
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7. July 2005 @ 06:22 |
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Why would the computer help message board have a number of people tell me to not touch the firmware then?
When Splitting- it happens whether I use DVDShrink and re-autor or if I cut chapters in Clone. How could I be doing it wrong when the programs do it themselves?
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2talll
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7. July 2005 @ 18:28 |
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Well, getting the dual layer burner is out of the question- $160 was the cheapest I found one, they salemen couldn't say if the burned DVDs would work in regular DVD players, the dual layer DVD+R's are expensive, etc .etc.
Plus, I had to restore my entire computer sicne windows was messed up and I am assuming so far that could have been a big part of the problem. Since restoring decrypter can decrypt an entire DVD in about 20 minutes- before it was taking an hour.
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7. July 2005 @ 19:06 |
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Here are quite a few for under $110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Manufactory=&Proper...
You shouldn't have a problem updating your firmware as long as you follow the instructions provided at the manufaturers website. Another thig is that 95% of laptops DVDRW drives just arent that good and you would more than likely be better off with an external model if you plan on doing a lot of backing up..
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2talll
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7. July 2005 @ 19:13 |
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That's just it- HP is too retarded to know anything about firmware or drivers for the drive, heck they didn't even know what drive I had (they kept trying to convince me I had a Toshiba drive)- a friend of mine found a site online that had firmware for a large list of drives and we found my drive on it.
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travalon
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9. July 2005 @ 16:46 |
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I have a hp zd7000 and an external liteon 1633sx dual layer burner. It works great burning the 4.7's and does a pretty good job with the dual layers. (I only use these for the LONG flixs like The Aviator or all them Lord of the Rings.) As Jim_Dandy said, Just a few issues with stand alone players. My $25 Desay stand alone will play anything I throw at it. I have a few other cheapo's that will do the same. As far as XP not liking the burner, it usually thinks it's a cd burner. But, Decrypter and Nero recognize it as what it is. No complaints here. I got the Liteon at Best Buy with a little Nero oem for $150 with a $50 rebate. Does a phenominal job with movies and games.
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JaguarGod
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9. July 2005 @ 17:59 |
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You notice a difference with less than 90% compression? That's weird, because I have compressed movies as low as 52% and there is little to no visible difference on a 65" screen. Do you do deep analysis?
As for getting a dual layer burner, I would say no. Dual layer discs are still too expensive. They can run anywhere from $3 to $8 per disc. You might as well buy an extra original. I have bought movies just days after release for $8.00 or less. Also, don't forget the extra $100+ for the external.
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9. July 2005 @ 18:13 |
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I agree. I have compressed down to 55% and cannot tell any difference between the copy and the original. I am not using anthing fancy, just CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD
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9. July 2005 @ 19:56 |
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I just bought a Sony DRU800A dual burner. It does an excellent job on 8X Verbatim media. I have always been highly satisfied with single discs that were compressed at 55%. Occasionally there is too much material jammed into a disc. I have about 150 -R single 8X blanks. I don't see a real need for dual layered blanks. I also have a 53" big screen that looks good with copies of movies that are long. I would go to the burner's manufactuer's site & download the latest firmware. I've done many times with Sony.
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9. July 2005 @ 22:26 |
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9. July 2005 @ 23:04 |
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The price of the burner is not an issue for me, but the price of DL media is a pack of 3 verbatim $22.00, a pack 100 TY's $40.00. Add to that the upcoming Blu-ray and HD discs coming out. It hardly seems worth the DL Drive. For big movies I recommend DVD-RB.
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10. July 2005 @ 05:16 |
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If you are going to buy a new drive you might as well buy a dual layer the prices are all low. As for DL media it will come down in price within a few months so why not invest in the burner now.
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10. July 2005 @ 05:36 |
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I'm with arniebear on this one.
If your planning on buying a new burner... dual layered is the way to go(as I stated in my first post)
I have a dual layered burner, but as of yet,I have not burned one dual layered blank,but when the price goes down,on dual layered media,Im ready.Until that time comes,my pioneer burner works just great on single layered media.
I use DVDRB/CCE, but the learing curve on that combo is a bit steep for the normal newbie.
As for blu-ray and HD discs, you guys can go ahead and wait for that medium.Im guessing when that comes out,you will have to take out a loan, to afford the blank media for either format.
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10. July 2005 @ 06:02 |
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Since blu-ray and HD are stilling battling it out I will wait to see what will become the standard. For now my burners all work great. Dual layer is starting to come down in price, just ordered 6 from supermediastore at 4.50 a disk. Still pricey but not nearly as high as it was, and it is not like I use it all the time, only want it for certain movies. Most movies can be done on a single layer fine.
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10. July 2005 @ 06:09 |
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I havent really been pricing dual layered media lately.
Thats a decent price arniebear,thats more reasonable than 10 dollars+ a disc.I may have to just bite the bullet, and try some of those out....thanks bud :)
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10. July 2005 @ 06:17 |
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They are the Ritek, I had bought a five pack to try out and they worked out really well, for the six and shipping it came to 31.00 so I figured it was not too bad a dent in the wallet.
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JaguarGod
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11. July 2005 @ 17:49 |
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I still don't think it is worth it. If you already have a burner, why waste the extra money? Aviator is already part of the 3 for $25 movies and it's still pretty new. DL discs cost about as much as that, so why do it?
I have a DL burner, but only because I got mine recently. I would not upgrade to DL if I had a good burner that burned at 4x.
If your burner is about to die out or burning discs that are getting tons of write errors, then go ahead and get the DL, but if your burner is working fine, you will just be wasting Money.
Also, there seems to be some issues with DL discs with DVD players. What if you spend $100 for a burner and $20 for a 3 pack of DL discs and find out that your player won't play back the movies? Also, if the burner is $100 and the discs are about $6.50 each you will have to burn about 50 movies before the burner pays for itself (about 25 for $4.50 a disc).
You have to also remember that the eye has its limits with visual quality. The only way you will actually catch flaws in a compressed movie, is if you are too close to the screen or you are looking for the flaws. I can easily find problems in HD broadcasts if I look for them.
As long as you do not zoom into movies or take a 4:3 movie and stretch it to 16:9 and then resize it with your tv to fit the screen you will not notice a difference, unless if you have a bad TV and Bad DVD player.
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