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Panasonic DMR-ES10 DVD Recorder
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siuga
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9. July 2005 @ 03:57 |
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I bought the dmr es 10. when I make recordings of some dvds, I can play them on the same panasonic , and on any other dvd player.
But when I make some recordings of my video tapes on the dvd, I can only watch them on the Panasonic only and on the other dvd players no. What is my problem? Can anyone help me pls. sorry for my english.
siuga
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laddyboy
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9. July 2005 @ 06:05 |
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Are you using RW or R disks? Some older players won't read RW disks or some R media. What type and brand of media did you use: -R +R -RW +RW? If you're using R disks, they need to be finalized before other players will read them. Also sometimes disks from dvd recorders are just not playable on other players. The quality of the media used may also be a factor.
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9. July 2005 @ 06:47 |
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You may be recording in the VR mode, and most dvd players wont play dvd in the VR mode.What you need is software that will convert it into the Video mode.
I use Ulead dvd movie factory,Nero visionexpress will also work.
As laddyboy mentioned,the discs in whatever mode they are in, have to be finalized.
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siuga
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11. July 2005 @ 13:44 |
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thanks a lot. have any one of you has this type of recorder. and what kind of media he used when he recorded from vhs to dvd. thanks.
siuga
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11. July 2005 @ 15:10 |
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I have a dvd recorder standalone, but mine is an el-cheapo,I always record in the vr mode so I can do the editing, and then convert over on my pc to the video mode.Mine only burns -r media and I use nothing but dvdrw's,most of mine are Fuji's
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ronnybuck
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20. October 2005 @ 15:50 |
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I have had the Panasonic DMR-ES10 for about 6 months now. I paid $188 at Bestbuy and was just put on the shelf. I have used different brands of +/- R's with no problems. I record mostly off the cable and no problems so far. I have done some -RW's which have to be finalized just like the others. I do not use the Ram disks of which I have about 40 still in the wraps. The sales person at Bestbuy gave them to me just to get rid of them. I have a Phillips that I do not have to finalize the RW's done in it. Strange isn't it but I still have to finalize any of the R's. I do have an older Panasonic with the VCR and DVD recorder and it will only do -R's and the Ram disc. It operates otherwise like the new one. I can move - DVD's from one to the other and add recordings plus finalize in either one. But I really like the ES10 and having had Panasonic VCR's for years prefer the operation and programing. The ES10 is great as it will use both +/- and I have used Fuji, memorex, sony, TDK, TEON, RITEK all 8X speed write capable. After having a miserable time with a Cyberhome 1500 the panasonic is a dream especially the ES10. I still use my Phillips but it has problems with Fuji RW disks casuing problems with recognizing R type. I found I had to use an option of playing full disk first and that seems to fix that. Who knows what the engineers were thinking when they started designing this stuff. Between the new HDTV stuff and the DVD Recorders to record it I am going to have a ball. I cannot understand why DVD player manufacturers are still making units that will only play the - not the + or vicevera. I have a $24 one that will play all beautifully so it cannot be cost mostly stupidity. Good luck to all and good night.
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ronnybuck
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20. October 2005 @ 16:03 |
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To SIUGA
I assume you are writing about the ES10. When my son and family was here they copied all their Digial Video tapes (Sony Unit) using the ES10 with perfect results. I have also done some from a analog Sony HI8 with good results. I also am doing all my old VCR tapes of home video's and good enough results. I am saving my tapes as there is no real track records as to the life of DVD recordings yet. There are arguments as to which media is more stable and considered lifetime. In my case about 5 more years if I am lucky would be good. Some of my tapes are over 10 years old and still play pretty good in my old Panasonic VCR. In a previous post I said all brands + or - I have tried have worked. My preference is Sony and get them for less than $20 for 50 at Bestbbuy on sale. Most of my bad DVD's are from the Cyberhome and my computer which is another story.
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smbdck
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27. October 2005 @ 04:17 |
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To Ronnybuck,
I also have the DMR-ES10 and it's my second one. I returned the first, had problems with disk failures when recording to -RW disks only. Now I'm having the same problems with this machine also. Have you ever had any problems when recording to -RW disks ? I can't believe this machine is also defective.
Dick
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ronnybuck
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27. October 2005 @ 17:04 |
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To smbdck:
I have done some -RW's and no problems. I have only used fuji's and your problem could be the brand. What brand are you using? Panasonic now as a ES20 replacing the ES10. It will write to both + and - RW disks and has a digital input for digital video cameras. You do know you have to finalize RW's in the panasonic. I also have a older phillips that I don't. If you add to it I have to make sure I select the empty space. I use it because I don't have to take time to finalize. I record the IMUS Show as it is too early for me. I had trouble using fuji +RWs because the have some code imbedded in the disk ID that the phillips doesn't like. I went to Sony's and that problem went away. I prefer Sony Disks anyway. Let me know what brand you are using and try some Sony's. Are you saying the disks would not play or you getting an error when you try to record. I am thinking about getting a ES20 but may wait and see about what the HDTV recorders are all about. I have some Interprise episodes in HD and they are fantastic. They only play on my computer as I don't have any HDTV's yet. They are in DivX and XviD formats but are excellent. Not sure whare all this will end and hope I live long enough to see it. Let me know what you find.
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smbdck
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27. October 2005 @ 17:20 |
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Ronnybuck,
I have only tried Fuji and Memorex. About half fail during the recording. The recording process actually destroys the disk and makes it impossible to even re-format. I just bought some TDK -RW and I'll see how they do. The tech. at best buy told me that he's sure it's the disk and not the machine.
Dick
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ronnybuck
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28. October 2005 @ 07:10 |
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To SMBDCK:
I have used Fuji Disks but will do a run to see if it is still ok. You are saying that some do make it. I have not been a fan of TDK as I have had some problems in the past with their R's. So they are failing during the recording? What is the message or do you get anything? I don't have any other recorders that require - for RWs. However I had done one on my computer and it never would work. After I bought the ES10 I put it in and it said it had another format and did I want to reformat it. I did and it worked perfectly for me in panasonic. I have had very little luck writing RW disks in my computer dvd writer. A friend gave me some off brands he bought that would not work for him and the ES10 reformated them and he took them home and believe it or not they worked in his recorder. Some require you buy their RW disk and they may be preformated. That may be just in older models. The ES10 does it's own format, and when you put in a new one it will ask you if you want too. Are you doing that and do you get a complete message. If you get any power glichs during this you need to do it over. Take one that has failed and see if will reformat. Go to functions, other functions and disk management. It should say Format Disk. If it had not been finalized then that option will be there also. I know these things are wierd and someday they will get compatiable like the VCR's were. That would be too easy.
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smbdck
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28. October 2005 @ 07:30 |
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Ronnybuck,
I tried the new TDK DVD-RW last night, and it failed during the second recording. The disk recorded just fine the first time, then I reformatted it and recorded again, and it failed about half way through a 2 hour recording. I then tried to reformat it but the recorder can't even read the disk now and just shuts down. The only msg. I get during the recording process when it fails is "Check Disk", I hit the enter button and the machine tries to read the disk but can't and shuts down. I have now tried Memorex, Fuji and TDK. I'm not about to try a fourth brand. There has got to be something wrong with this recorder. I am waiting to hear an e-mail response from Panasonic, I left a customer support msg. on their web site yesterday.
Dick
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ronnybuck
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29. October 2005 @ 14:25 |
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To:smbdck:
Wow that is strange since you have tried 2 different recorders. You said you bought it from Bestbuy, so what I would do is take the recorder and the DVD's to them and let them try it. Panasonic can be slow to respond. What you might do is see if they have the new ES20 and get it instead. What I will do and may take a few days, is to try mine with the fuji's I have. I only did about 5 and don't remember if I did a reformat and try them again. What I will do is do the morning recording of IMus that I do on the Phillips. The only reason I was using the phillips I do not have to finalize them to play in another player. Have you done many of the R's with no problems? I probably have done 25 or so in combination of both + and - and all are good as my son who I mail them to has not complained. He prefers the minus because of being in Japan. I am going to look on the Internet and see if any others have the same complaint. You can go to a different brand but may have some different wierd problem. I will let you know what I find out.
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ronnybuck
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29. October 2005 @ 15:28 |
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To smbdck:
I have just reformated a previously recorded -RW and set the timer to record North by Northwest on the TCM Network. It is 2.5 hours long no commercials I think. I am using the LP Mode which is 4 hours but should have no bearing on what is happening. In fact you may want to try a different mode on yours just to see. However the DVD manufacturers usually give a liftime warranty. I last saw this movie years ago in a theater. All the times it has been on TV I only saw bits a pieces of it. So this will give a good experiment to see what is going on with the ES10. It is a Fuji -RW, 2X write speed, Version 1.1. I will let you know what happens.
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ronnybuck
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29. October 2005 @ 15:38 |
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to: smbdck
Again just to share a wierdy. I have a Cyberhome 1500 and of course the Phillips. Both are + only writing units. Anything I record on the Cyberhome and play in the Phillips fails. It will play about 5 minutes stop and actually cut the power off. Go figure. What I record in the Phillips will play in the Cyberhome 1500 most of the time. I also have a cybehome 400 player and when I play the +RW's from the phillips it will stop about halfway through and just skip for a while and freeze. All this means it is like HDTV, the DVD industry has a lot of compatiablility issues and has a ways to go. It's not like the VHS days any brand of tape would work in any brand of recorder. The only thing I found was some VCR's would not handle 8 and 10 hour tapes and their drive units could not pull all the extra tape. In fact some said use at your own risk.
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ronnybuck
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30. October 2005 @ 07:03 |
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To:smbdck
I reformated a previously recorded fuji -RW and set the time to record an old Hitchcock movie last night. I checked it and it went fine. No hits, no runs, no errors. Playing it now and I will have to say it is excellent. The TCM channel on my cable is one of the best anyway. Can you check your serial number and manufacturer's date? I bought mine before Bestbuy had officially put them on display. It was $199 but when they did display it they had reduced the price to $189 on sale. Of course I got the difference and some DVD Ram disk which I do not use. It could just be your stroke of luck that you got two bads ones. I do know that if someone returns an item and they check it and works OK for their Tech's they reseal the box and put it back on the shelf. The key is to look at the sealing tape and how flat the top is. Sometimes they don't do a good job of repacking. Also inside will always reveal a repack as they cannot get it as neat as the factory job. Anyway I will do another and record Imus in the Morning as I do on the Phillips and let you know the results on that.
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ronnybuck
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30. October 2005 @ 08:29 |
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To:smbdck
You are not alone with this problem. I found another posting about the same thing with -RW's. I left a posting that I have read another one. I told them what I am going to do and if others out there could do the same test. The first one I have done seems OK. To really eliminate this I will have set and record each morning this week and see the results and report to both of you. It will be interesting to see what Panasonic has to say especially after they have discontinued this model and now have the ES20. They had a harddrive model that gave a lot of problems and they actually pulled them from the shelf and Bestbuy had so many complaints they stopped selling them. Panasonic was not alone as Sony had problems with one of theirs where everything would disappear from the harddrive. Is it posssible to get a virus in your DVD recorder just like computers? They all have a processor but on a smaller scale with flash Rom's so they can be updated as they are produced. Many of the manufacturer's offer these updates on their sites but with cautions that can litterally leave you with a brain dead DVD recorder. Anyway keep listening.
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ronnybuck
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30. October 2005 @ 08:29 |
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To:smbdck
You are not alone with this problem. I found another posting about the same thing with -RW's. I left a posting that I have read another one. I told them what I am going to do and if others out there could do the same test. The first one I have done seems OK. To really eliminate this I will have set and record each morning this week and see the results and report to both of you. It will be interesting to see what Panasonic has to say especially after they have discontinued this model and now have the ES20. They had a harddrive model that gave a lot of problems and they actually pulled them from the shelf and Bestbuy had so many complaints they stopped selling them. Panasonic was not alone as Sony had problems with one of theirs where everything would disappear from the harddrive. Is it posssible to get a virus in your DVD recorder just like computers? They all have a processor but on a smaller scale with flash Rom's so they can be updated as they are produced. Many of the manufacturer's offer these updates on their sites but with cautions that can litterally leave you with a brain dead DVD recorder. Anyway keep listening.
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smbdck
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31. October 2005 @ 02:52 |
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Ronnybuck,
>>It will be interesting to see what Panasonic has to say especially after they have discontinued this model and now have the ES20. <<
I was unaware of that. It wasn't out very long, makes one wonder. Perhaps that why they haven't answered my post on their support web site.
Dick
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ronnybuck
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31. October 2005 @ 06:10 |
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To:smbdck
Here is what I have done with my ES10. I reformated a previously recorded -RW and recorded a 3 hour Imus this morning. I finalized it and it plays beautifully in another player. It also played in the ES10 before the finalization. In fact it is a better picture than what the Phillips does, much better. I will do the same tomorrow with the same RW over and over. I talked to folks at Bestbuy yesterday and they were also mystified that the ES10 is off the shelf and they of course said they had no problems with them. They cut the price on them and now the ES20 is on sale this week for $189. Maybe they will swap you with the newer one and see if the problem goes away. I will keep pushing on with mine. Will keep you informed.
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smbdck
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31. October 2005 @ 09:11 |
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Ronnybuck,
I read this morning on an internet site that the ES-20 is inferior to the ES-10. Check this out .....
http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=280172
Panasonic finally answered my request for support, a typical nonsense answer by someone in Pakistan or India. They told me to use only Panasonic or Sony DVD-RW disks, guess what, Pan. and Sony don't even make them. Somewhere else or maybe it was here, I read that most people have good luck with Verbatim and Ridata and that of all disks the re-writable are the most unreliable.
Dick
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ronnybuck
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31. October 2005 @ 16:32 |
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To:smbdck
Thanks for the links. Very Interesting on the ES20. The next time I go to Bestbuy I will look more closely. On the Sony -RW disks, I was at Sears tonight and they had a box of 5 for $7.99. I don't know about BB but will check tomorrow as I do have to get Star Wars III for my son and mail it to him. I have never seen any made by Panasonic unless they come with Recorder like their stupid Ram Disks. I am setting up for a recording tomorrow on the same disk. Will do it for the week and let you know. Make sure your fuji's are version 1.1 at 2 x speed. That is what I have. I have a couple of Memorex -RW's. One was messed up by by computer drive but I was able to reformat it in the Panasonic and it worked. I had to use the Sony brand in my Phillips too as it did not like the Fuji.
ron
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ronnybuck
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4. November 2005 @ 04:52 |
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to smbdck:
Just finished an extensive testing of my ES10 and everything is OK at least with the the fuji's. I do get a better picture with the ES10 than the Phillips. But the Phillips is about 2 years older. I looked at the ES20 and there is a radical difference in the case. It is about half the depth and has a Fan. I have to take time to compare the specs. I am looking at a Toshiba right now to keep down the interference of remotes. There are times I need four units to get the stuff my Son wants. My Cyberhome is totally undependable. I want something that will play DivX, WMA, QT files. Also I want some HiDef capabilities when and if I get a HD, ED TV. Anyway good luck and let me know what happens with your ES10.
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smbdck
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4. November 2005 @ 05:16 |
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Ronnybuck,
I've done several recordings this week with no problems using the remainder of the Fuji DVD-RW disks. I'm beginning to think that the brand of disk does make a difference on this machine. I'm off to Best Buy to purchase some Verbatim DVD-R's, they're on sale for $17.99 for 50($.36 a piece). From what I've read they're one of the best disk on the market and this is a very good price, it's an instant rebate so that's the price out the door. They also have the Panasonic RAM disk on sale, a 5 pack for $4.99, that's also a great price.
Dick
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ronnybuck
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4. November 2005 @ 07:52 |
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to smbdck:
That sounds great. I used a Verbatum DVD+ Double Layer to see if my writer in my computer worked. It did just fine. They are now making Double Layer Stand alone DVD Recorders. Let's hope the price drops soon on these things. Nice talking with you.
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