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17. July 2005 @ 14:07 |
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Boy I'm almost sorry I opened this can of worms but at least am glad to see that I'm not the only one that has noticed some altered files when useing shrink set at no compression as a ripper where as with dvdd there were none. I agree that DVD Shrink is a great free proggy and I do still use it ocassionally for certain functions but as for ripping I use dvdd exclusively with any dvd running in the background.
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17. July 2005 @ 14:23 |
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Boy I'm almost sorry I opened this can of worms
That'll make you think twice before inviting me into a debate again. LOL
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17. July 2005 @ 14:33 |
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That'll make you think twice before inviting me into a debate again. LOL
Glad I did. You're on my side. Otherwise I'd have been hung out to dry.
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17. July 2005 @ 16:27 |
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LOL That depends... ;) Sophocles always enjoys these long chats on the forum.
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17. July 2005 @ 16:33 |
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I'm a weak man with a need to communicate. LOL
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18. July 2005 @ 10:02 |
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A little bit of interesting information.
Those of you who know me know that I've been experiencing difficulty trying to backup the movie "Diary Of A Mad Black Woman." I tried backing it up in this order with RB/CCE, great picture but no sound on my standalone, I tried it with RB/CCE again but this time making sure not to remove any soundtracks and again no sound. I even tried playing the RB/CCE encoded file from my hard disk using WinDVD 7.0 Platinum and there was no sound.
So I figured its off to DVDCopy3 but wouldn't you know it I got the same problem no sound, so I tried it with DVD Shrink and it also had no sound. Something in the structure of the DVD causes the audio streams/links to be broken, they're still there but not accessible through the menu. It soon became apparent that all that might be left to me is to make a full non compressed copy across two discs. and then it occurred to me I still have a copy of DVD2one, I just hadn't used for over year. I dropped on my hard disk, updated it to 1.5X and then transcoded the movie.
After the movie was done I decided to run it through Mark's Tray Player but it wouldn't even open the movie so I tried WinDVD and it wouldn't open it either. A yanked a few hairs out and then thought perhaps I could run it under DVD Shrink choosing no compression, DVD Shrink can make a non compliant DVD compliant by just doing that.I loaded the file into DVD Shrink and I noticed something a little odd. The movie's folder size came in at 4.34 gigs but DVD Shrink was showing it as 99.4%, which means according to Shrink some compression would still be needed, but I knew that was wrong. I removed two subtitles and now it was at 100%.
After running it through DVD Shrink under no compression I opened it in Mark's Tray Player with no problems and the sound was there. I then opened it with WinDVD and it too played with sound. I burned and it played in all 4 of my standalone. Now the point of me posting this here was not to show another way to get around a back up problem, it was to demonstrate that DVD Shrink does in fact change a DVD's content when it's passed through it using no compression. Sometimes that not a bad thing as I've just demonstrated here, but make no mistake if you use DVD Shrink as a ripper something will be altered.
For those who might argue otherwise then answer me this. Why did DVD Shrink misread the physical size of the folder? When run through Shrink using no compression why do at least two of the files in the folder read different sizes than those in the originally ripped folder? And lastly, if using no compression doesn't alter the contents of a movie then why did running it through DVD Shrink make a previously unplayable movie now playable in anything?
I've used Shrink on a number of occasions to make unplayable home movies compliant, without using any compression at all. The same thing that made DVD Shrink a valuable tool here, is also the reason I don't use it to rip. When I rip a movie I want it to arrive to my hard disk in pristine condition, not altered in anyway before I even get started backing it up. But if you find yourself in a bind trying to back up a stubborn movie and you're running out of alternatives, then Shrink just might be the right tool to tidy up that unplayable movie.
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18. July 2005 @ 15:19 |
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Several of us use the trick of running a file through Shrink if Nero or one of the burning apps indicates a structural defect that might affect the recording. And it doesn't affect the file?
Excellent example of what I was talking about.
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18. July 2005 @ 15:50 |
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Sophocles,
If you are talking about reallocation of files or remapping of audio streams or the like then yes DVDshrink can make changes to the struture.
As for encoding or video quality modifications when using no compression, I have seen no indication of such.
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18. July 2005 @ 16:05 |
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I use Shrink to rip because of the flexability it has that DVDdecrypter does not. The quick analysis is usefull and the quick editing with a viewer is nice in a ripping program.
I also like ripping multiple movies sequentially. Batch mode.
As for causing video problems, like sophocles I have more often used it to fix problems other progams create. Its's a tool. Nothing more.
I use DVDdecrypter for burning sometimes and testing DVD setup and media problems and for the occasional bad sector nightmare DVDs.
A must have in any collection.
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18. July 2005 @ 16:41 |
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I used to use Shrink for the same tasks that you use it for but now that RB allows for essentially the same editing features or better ones I no longer need it for that. Also During my tests last summer I noted a decidedly different appearance in movies that had gone through Shrink under no compression. Then Double-D really got me going when he began to make mosquito effect comparisons between DVD Shrink and RB/CCE.
While it was true that RB/CCE displayed the mosquito effect a little more than Shrink did in some scenes requiring a higher bitrate, RB was unquestionably sharper than Shrink. Further examination revealed that DVD Shrink had less visual mosquito effect because of its lack of sharpness. If RB were played back on a TV with the sharpness control turned down there would be decidedly less visual mosquito effect.
I also know that Dr. Shrink had discussions during beta testing regarding just this point and he even admitted to this being a Shrink characteristic. Some people prefer a subtle air brush effect to their video, but I prefer detail. He also stated that it would make high compression DVD's appear more attractive, it acts like a filter.I wish I could provide you with the links to those threads but this was a year ago and I'm too lazy to go look for them.
The problem with DVD Shrink as a ripper is that you can't separate it from the transcoder by using no compression. It might not be compressing the DVD but whatever else it does it's doing it to the video. I believe as do many that it's still filtering the Video and causing a visually less sharp image. I do think like you in that DVD Shrink is a valuable tool, and just like the example of the movie I discussed above, sometimes it might be the only choice.
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18. July 2005 @ 17:04 |
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Sophocles,
I remember those discussions as well. And likewise, I have no desire to go back nearly a year in looking for old threads. It would be like hunting a needle in a hay stack. If we need further corroboration, I believe we can dig up some of the others who were present.
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18. July 2005 @ 17:30 |
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The new DVDrb features would eliminate my use of Shrink if I were encoding on the fly but I do rip before the encode so I still desire the flexability in the ripper.
DVDshrink has the softening affect when doing compressed encodes but I see no such softening on a ripped file with no encode or compression.
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18. July 2005 @ 17:40 |
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I don't work on the fly either, I just choose to eliminate everything during the encode. In fact lately I've been using movie only mode with menu so that I can keep both AC3 6ch and DTS 5:1 while still saving space on the extras.
My point was that whatever filtering Shrink does it doesn't seem to be limited to the encode process and that there really is no true rip with shrink. In a sense using no compression with Shrink is just the lowest compression setting.
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18. July 2005 @ 17:58 |
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How has the movie only with menus been working for you.
I haven't tried yet.
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18. July 2005 @ 18:06 |
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It works great. I just did pitch black with movie only and the menu worked perfectly. I could access both AC3 6 ch, DTS 5:1, and the subtitles just as though I was using the original disc. I could have removed the dead menu buttons with remake but I didn't see any point since it affects nothing. Took 84 minutes for prepre/encode/rebuild.
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18. July 2005 @ 21:10 |
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Just watch out, as HKT found out, it's not a great choice when working with discs having episodes.
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19. July 2005 @ 07:06 |
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I could be wrong but episodic discs don't usually come with extras so HKT would have no reason to select that setting.
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19. July 2005 @ 08:35 |
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Whatever... It was deleting some of the files he wanted to keep on the encode; obviously just looking for a single video and menu. So, I think all he was getting was the largest file of the episode and the menu.
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