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10. August 2005 @ 15:19 |
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I just wrote an email to "K" from DigitalFAQ and invited that person to address us and explain the process that he/she uses to get the results that they get for their media guide! I'm hoping for a response and even a direct response to this thread! maybe we can be enlightened with their knowledge!
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10. August 2005 @ 15:28 |
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i must admit i hadn't visited that page for ages, i used to look over it a fair bit, glad to see it's been updated some.
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10. August 2005 @ 15:29 |
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hahaha..."hot lasers"...whatever...put a crap disc into a GOOD BURNER/ dvd player w/ a "hot laser" and "bam" it works fine? YEAH RIGHT...he can argue ALL he wants about having extensive testing done or whatnot, that REALLY doesn't mean jack $hit to anyone else that is experiencing problems on a personal/consumer level.
it's like reading an issue of consumer reports magazine, YES, they have the resources to do extensive testing on various products and come to a conclusion as to what they perceive to be "good" or "bad", "recommended" or not "recommended"...if one wants to believe everything they read in a magazine, online, the newspaper, or newscast, so be it; but, his "solution" of getting a better quality burner but to continue to use crappy media and everything will be ok? HAHAHAHA...that's just pure BS~ i don't care how "professional" his opinion may be, it's like the comment about the power supply being the final SOLUTION to every burning problem out there...simply ridiculous~ :)
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10. August 2005 @ 15:46 |
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Kivory....... I don't think "K" mentioned anything about 'HOT LASERS'...... "K" did mention to use a better dvd...... but nothing about HOT LASERS you must be mistaken with what Arnie said about anyother thread that he couldn't find at the momemnt! and "K" didn't mention anything about what SMSmith said in the thread that was linked to POWER SUPPLY bull crap! I just think that there should be someone out there making tests and telling what they found out about it! Go with experience is fine but for others that don't have the time or the means of testing I'm glad that there is someone out there doing for me! Cause I would like to know ...........but the test of time is the real judge! my old Memorex crap that I started out with 3 yrs ago (RICOHJRN)are still going strong but the CMC crap is dead! If I read the DigitalFAQ media guide back then I would still have my old movies on better disks than the CMC crap today!!!!! That's all I'm saying! And I would really like to know how they are coming up with their findings!
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10. August 2005 @ 15:56 |
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@ihoe,
im not putting down your "K" guy, i KNOW he didn't say anything about hot lasers or whatnot, he DID imply something along the lines of using a good laser or a burner w/ a good laser to READ crap discs...and i quote...
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Put the disc in a drive with a good laser, bam!, works fine.
i just find THAT comment to be untrue...bad media will always remain bad media, don't matter how terrific the "good laser" is, it WILL NOT always read them, you found out YOURSELF w/ the CMC MAG crap that you said are "dead"...how are you going to dispute YOURSELF on that finding?
like i said, evaluate the facts, don't believe EVERYTHING you read, i have respect for this "K" guy but SOME of his comments/suggestions to "fix" people's problems i just don't agree with. from what i read and interpret from the emails you copied and pasted on here, he's basically saying that if a "good laser" is present, pretty much EVERY KIND of media, good or bad, will be read...but, he doesn't touch up on the fact that even if your drive CAN read them...will there be pixillation, freezing, skipping or any other problems when viewing the video? bad media is THE cause of that, no matter how you slice and dice it~ this is also assuming you burn at a slower speed AND have the know-how to burn properly using the software you use for backups..there are SOO many factors that go into it, but, to say a "good laser"/ good hardware will solve your issues because it's NOT due to bad media, i will have to disagree there.
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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10. August 2005 @ 15:59 |
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while it's on my mind i personally correlate skipping to show up as CRC errors on a disc, that's what my experience has shown. someone did debate it with me on here once, but that's what i've found each time.
i'm off to bed i'm starting to ramble :)
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10. August 2005 @ 16:03 |
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not saying that everything said is true and I wish this person will respond to this thread.... I did send it to him/her! who knows......but I can only go by what my burner and my players can do with what disks I can get! I learned so much here but I am still open to others that know more than I do so I can learn more! NO ONE PERSON CAN TELL ME THAT THEY KNOW IT ALL AND THEIR WORD IS THE GOSPEL!!! But allow me to form my own opinions, with the knowledge that is put out there by all! That's all I want to do...... I am not that closed minded that I can't ask a question and get a response from someone that knows more than I do! I only have experience with what I have...... can you imagine having many machines and software at your disposal and making tests on all sorts of disks that are out there???? Inquiring minds want to know!
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10. August 2005 @ 16:05 |
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My old NEC 1300a is a USB it has its own power supply and it definitly has a "hot laser" considering I really got a blow on the disk when it comes out. Now if that was the only criteria to get a good burn then any disk I get should work, but not all disks do. Firmware plays a part, software, hardware, OS system and probably other things I forget. If everthing on the comp is running correctly you will get a good burn, but only on good disks. When you go to the carlot and see the sticker that reads how much mpg you will get with a vehicle, that is calculated at ideal conditions. Something that you can not always achieve. I have a feeling the tests that are run on media is the same.
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10. August 2005 @ 16:09 |
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arnie you could be right ....... I asked ....... hopefully we get a reply from "K" on how they get their results! I invited this person to respond to this thread! I hope we don't scare this person away! LOL
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10. August 2005 @ 16:12 |
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It is an open forum, with, I hope, open minds. I am sure we want to read what this person has to say. But everything is always open to debate, that is how a great deal of knowledge is gained, by getting all the perspectives.
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10. August 2005 @ 16:12 |
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good analogy arniebear, nicely put.
@ihoe, i commend your thirst for knowledge and your gathering of info from VARIOUS sources so you can formulate your OWN decisions on media, burners, etc. but, my only point that i was trying to make is that a good laser from a good burner/standalone does NOT equal 100% playback on poor media~ :)
a lot of "K"'s information makes sense and i agree with him/her, BUT, his comment about Quote:
Put the disc in a drive with a good laser, bam!, works fine.
is NOT true. that is the only point i was trying to point out and extract from the emails he/she sent you.
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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10. August 2005 @ 16:16 |
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and I agree with you!!!! totally...... thats why I want to talk to this person and pick his/her brain! I'm just interested on how they get their results! hopefully they will respond!
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10. August 2005 @ 16:17 |
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I also don't think that they will respond right away...... in a day or two hopefully but I'm not holding my breath!
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11. August 2005 @ 04:46 |
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here is "K's" response:
Thanks for the invite, but I just really don't have time for that. Forums
tend to be full of people that only wish to argue with others, have their
egos stroked.
I am not part of the media industry, nor does anybody from the media
industry have any input. The only people that the ability to affect ratings
are ones in the test group, all of them independents and not in any way
related to any media manufacturer. In fact, two manufacturers quit sending
samples because they were given some poor ratings on their shoddy discs.
Quite frankly, f--k them.
The rankings are made from the % of coasters. This is all explained on the
site, simple mean average statistics math.
Testing discs is easy. Use them all. "Scans" like probe, plextools,
DVDinfoPro. "Surface scans" like Nero CD-DVD Speed and DVDInfoPro.
"Speed/read tests" like Nero CD-DVD Speed. And then simple things like "does
it even burn, or does the burner puke it back out". As well as the common
sense "does it play in a DVD player without having issues". You start to
write down results, tally them up, write out percentages, and there you go.
-K
ok...... so that was helpfull...........Kivory, you're right again!Quote:
it's like reading an issue of consumer reports magazine, YES, they have the resources to do extensive testing on various products and come to a conclusion as to what they perceive to be "good" or "bad", "recommended" or not "recommended"...if one wants to believe everything they read in a magazine, online, the newspaper, or newscast, so be it
I guess I was hoping that they were doing something more than what we at AD already do with our own disks and our burners. We have the same things that they do and I can do the same things when I buy my disks...... only I don't go out and buy every disk there is ....... I know that TYs, Sony, Verbatim, Maxell work great so why go anywhere else and take chances with other disks that are inferiror!? I'll just take note on the media guide and use the info to what I want to use it for..... to affirm the quaility of the disks that I use! So much for learning something new!
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11. August 2005 @ 04:51 |
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Quote:
Thanks for the invite, but I just really don't have time for that. Forums tend to be full of people that only wish to argue with others, have their egos stroked.
Is he implying that we all need ego stroking, lol. What a rude response :O
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11. August 2005 @ 04:51 |
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i suspected that's how it would be; the digitalfaq page is still a very useful reference.
the other extreme is how cdfreaks do it. i'm not saying they're crap at cdfreaks (far from it), but i feel sites such as afterdawn see more of the day to day unending hassle that crap media causes, as we see 'the man on the street' having so many problems, as opposed to running loads of tests of loads of discs.
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11. August 2005 @ 04:58 |
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After awhile when you see the same problems with the same media, logic dictates it has to be that media. Especially when changing from said brand cures it. Granted there are those, not me, that have no problems with crap media and good for them. However, the majority of posters seem too, so it is best to keep to the recommendation of what is known to work and to be of good quality. DigFaqs has a good base information and well worth a look and give you an idea of what is quality, but as with anything it is not the last word. My 1 pence thought, I am cheap today.
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11. August 2005 @ 05:17 |
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Well said all. (I am with you, Creaky. I am not going to change my firmware/write strategy for each different brand of "budget" disc when I can just get the good stuff) Even though "K" did make reference to a better quality laser resolving crap media issues, he/she actually substantiates our dislike of crap media. The average consumer is not going to own all of this "high end" equipment. Burners are on pretty equal footing when it comes to the major manufacturers and pricing, quality, etc. But, DVD players, on the other hand... I love my Widescreen HDTV, AV Receiver, etc; BUT, I'll be damned if I'll ever pay $500 or more for a high end DVD player. Especially when I can just-
everbody repeat after me:
Use quality media!!!
and watch it on any piece of equipment that I feed it to. The media is the cheapest, easiest, and most important fix in this scenario... It just makes good sense. Anyway, that is a good list. I just can't justify defending the CMCs of the world... Thanks to AD, I've never lost ONE RED CENT on CMC DVD media!!!
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11. August 2005 @ 05:21 |
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well I've learned an important lesson today: for someone that puts out an information page, like DigitalFAQ's media guide, it's funny that that person doesn't want to get involved with us low lifes who roam the forums for info~!!! I think it was rude of "K" to NOT get involved at all when the page that is being produce is looked at by us lowlifes! It's a contadiction and a hypocrisy of what they are trying to do with the media guide.... and that is to reach people, LIKE US, to help out! But when given the chance to really get your hands dirty with us by first contact, then they turn us down! Like here ya go, use this info for your decissions, but we don't want to talk to you at all about it! No discussions at all...... TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT...... THERE YA GO!
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11. August 2005 @ 05:25 |
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I feel ya, IHoe. At least the list echoes the brands we recommend here everyday as being the best! That's good enough for me. PLUS, it reiterates the fact that the "experts" take note of AD...
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11. August 2005 @ 05:27 |
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I think this thread is dead now! time to move on!
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