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ArtCip
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9. August 2005 @ 05:12 |
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I have been burning at 4x on 8x Taiyo Yuden dvd-r discs. No problems what so ever. I was thinking of purchasing 4x to burn at 4x. I know this seems like a silly question but, I don't want to spoil my good luck with my burns. Would there be any difference at all if I switch to 4x ???
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berty642
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9. August 2005 @ 06:02 |
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No there would be no difference at all, i burn with 4,8 and 16 speed discs without a problem, just stick to good quality discs and you should have no problem, also im sure some will disagree with me but if your discs are rated x4 but you get a faster option when you come to burn in Nero say, stick to the speed they are rated. In other words do not burn faster than the discs are rated!
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ArtCip
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9. August 2005 @ 06:29 |
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Awesome, thanks for the quick response !!
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9. August 2005 @ 12:12 |
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hi:) ..one proviso on what berty642 has said
most manufactuers state an optimum burn rate to guarantee a successfull burn i.e 16x max, burn at 8x or lower...8x max, burn 4x or lower and so on.
i never burn faster than 4x, more often than not even slower.
the faster you burn the more chance of errors
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9. August 2005 @ 12:21 |
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i still burn at 4x on my 16x Verbatim's.
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9. August 2005 @ 12:58 |
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Excuse me creaky, but why bother buying 16X Verbatims to burn at 4X??? Even Verbatim 4X will burn at 8X. I think it's overkill. Also, another thing to note which I don't think I've ever seen mentioned here is that the higher the rated speed on the disc, the thinner and flimsier the discs are. Obviously, there is a tradeoff in the thickness on the disc and the speed which it will burn. My 4X TDKs, Fuji and Ridata feel really sturdy whereas my 8X Verbatim discs feel like they will snap from taking them out of the jewel cases. If I were burning 3rd rate media like Prodisc, then I would suggest burning at speeds lower than the rated media, but with Verbatim or TYs, you should be able to burn flawless media at the rated speed assuming your PC specs are decent (i.e., enough RAM, free hard drive space, etc.)
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9. August 2005 @ 13:04 |
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that's just it, my system is more than adequate, as is my media. however i had 2 bad experiences when i did 2 Verbatim at 8x (can't remember if that was when i has 512mb or after i'd doubled the RAM). i stick to 4x out of paranoia. Plus recently i had to do 4 copies of Lemony Snicket as 2 were Verbs done at 4x, both skipped, and the other was TY and that skipped. the 4th copy worked. the standalone player in question is obviously picky as its about 6yrs old, but the 2 Verbs done at 8x were enough to put me off trying any more at 8x for ages to come.
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DogBomb
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9. August 2005 @ 13:54 |
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Yes, but you shouldn't pay the extra for 16X media. I actually prefer 4X media, but it's rare to find Ridata or TDK 4Xs anymore. I would think you'd have more problems with the higher rated media like 16X because you would have to careful that your firmware was updated to read that newer media. If you're gettig bad burn with Verbatims at 8X, I'd suspect something was up with your PC that maybe you could tweak to improve burning like firmware, DMA-enabled, RAM, defragmenting, or even a new burner. Again, JMHO - whatever works.
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9. August 2005 @ 13:57 |
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i hear ya, all is up to date, it's just paranoia. it's on my list to try some more at 8x and i'm mainly an 8x purchaser anyway. i only bought one tub of 16x to see how i got on with them, though i knew beforehand that my firmware would cope with them.
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DogBomb
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9. August 2005 @ 14:06 |
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I don't trust burning at 8X either although I've been cutting corners and doing it for the past few months with my 8X Verbatims. If I'm not in a rush, I will burn at 4X with my 8X Ridata media.
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berty642
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9. August 2005 @ 14:07 |
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Hi
I should have stated on my first post that when i burn at the different speeds they are on different projects
PS2 AND XBOX x4 on x8 discs or x4's if i have them
FILMS x8 on x8 discs
MP3 DISCS x16 these came free with the burner, but will not buy any more when spindle is done
What i meant was that switching down to x4 discs after using x8 or even x16 discs would make no difference they will do the same job
Sorry for any confusion i may have caused
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skidme
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9. August 2005 @ 15:19 |
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Well actually IMO, the faster rated media you buy, and the slower you burn on it, the better it will be. 16X discs have been engineered to withstand extreme conditions at 16X and in at those speeds to give very respectable results. Burning slowlier on these discs will give the best quality possible. In someone's opinion, it may be a waste of money, but when the best quality matters it's worth it. I don't know about you guys, but I want these things to last up until our great grandchildren look down on these as we look down on old records.
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ArtCip
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9. August 2005 @ 19:02 |
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What skidme said was my theory for burning 4x on 8x. I am just trying to save a few bucks without losing anything in the process. Thanks for everyones input, it is giving me alot to think about.
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9. August 2005 @ 19:18 |
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Burning slowlier
is that a word !!! just pickin on ya skidme, no harm !!
anyway, i have fuji's rated at 8x, yet i still burn at 4x, sometimes 6x, and have yet to get a skip or a freeze up............. oh crap, i just jinxed myself!!!! better drop it down to 4x again.
anyway, just wanted to add my opinion on the fuji's.
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9. August 2005 @ 19:41 |
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I use 8x TY's and burn @ 4x or less. Perfect every time and they play flawlessly on my Denon 2200. I also use TY 4x with Intervideo when I do not set the target to HD. I like the Burn-on-the-fly advantage with Intervideo Copy 3 Platinum. I never have a problem with the disks...play flawlessly! Keep up the great work! and have a lot of fun learning!
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9. August 2005 @ 20:55 |
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Hello , just my input for everyone , i have 16x Verbs and 4x TY's i burn both at 4x no problems and im not in a hurry so i dont mess with a good formula. I do have a question though i burn my cd's at 48x should i slow that down? its generic who knows what junk brand stuff ? does it help to slow down on cd's though???? /unjust
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10. August 2005 @ 01:20 |
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@Unjust2u - i only do 24x on cd's, no skipping on audio cd's that way; my cd burner does 48x max but never do over 24x, 16x if it's on the fly, just sensible speeds i picked
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10. August 2005 @ 01:30 |
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i always max out on my cds, they seem to play just fine...i burn 48x on my 48x rated ones...but, then again, i don't know ANYTHING about cd media in regards to quality/ which ones are good dye, burn speeds,etc...i am not going to burn my cds in the same fashion as i do with my dvds, because to ME personally, audio output has never been an issue regardless of speed burned onto cd-rs. that's just me tho, or my ear is not trained well enough to notice any discrepencies.
i guess i look at VIDEO on DVD-R media as being more important to ME personally, my audio from cds, they just compilations of songs i like and as long as it plays, that is all the reassurance i need :)
i would imagine that the Taiyo Yuden cd-rs are very good quality, but, i have never used any, ironic isn't it? i in fact use cheapy cd-rs (imation/tdk) that i bought on sale years ago, i still have like 90 out of 100 left in the spindle LOL. not much of a cd burning freak i guess, dvds...now THAT is a diff. story :)
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10. August 2005 @ 01:44 |
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my latest CD purchases were 2 50tubs of Verb Pastel CD's - they are Taiyo Yuden made!.
i made a typo in my previous reply, i only do 24x for audio myself, haven't done higher for audio and i'm not suggesting it can't be done, 24x is just what works well for me..
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skidme
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10. August 2005 @ 03:16 |
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Well, in my theory, CD's have been around for so long that their technology has basically been perfected. I think it's safe to burn any CD at a high speed nowadays. I myself use Ridata CD's and also Fujifilm CD's...maybe this is why I've had no problems :). Oh yea I also get all my D's for free nowadays. There are random sales at OfficeMax in which you receive a full mail-in rebate with your CD Purchas---->Good stuff
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10. August 2005 @ 03:43 |
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@skidme, that's also my opinion, cd's have been around for a very long time, i've done umpteen 1000s of cd's and still have most of them
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10. August 2005 @ 04:21 |
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i use Verbatim datalife plus and ridisc grade aaa for my cd's done 1000+ with no problems. i let them burn at there own speed, never changed the speed on the comp since i bought it.
but then again i'm no expert, so long as i can listen to them that's all that matters to me
my grand kids kick sh*t out of them and they still play
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10. August 2005 @ 09:15 |
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i do burn all my cd audio at max speed, of course, its all mp3 format, and have not yet had a coaster or skipping, but i am also running an alpine deck, pretty expensive one too, plays them just fine.... at 52x..... untill they go up in speed, but thats still pretty fast, burning over 200 mp3's on a cd-r in under 5 minutes.
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10. August 2005 @ 09:35 |
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I think cd technology at 52x is as fast as it gets. Good job really, I watched a colleague using a cd drive one day and we just heard something go bang. A cd had smashed into a million little pieces inside the drive and was as loud as a power supply going bang :)
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10. August 2005 @ 09:38 |
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Wow creaky, I didn't know that could happen. I'm guessing he had to replace the drive after that?
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