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MPAA files lawsuits with data from P2P logs
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article published on 25 August, 2005
Major Hollywood movie studios have filed another round of lawsuits against file sharers it alleges to have distributed copyrighted movies over the Internet. However, this time is different from all over lawsuits. The studios have not been searching through P2P networks for IP addresses, they got the IP addresses from P2P companies own logs. In total, 286 lawsuits were filed against sharers ... [ read the full article ]
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Letukka
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26. August 2005 @ 00:53 |
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"most down log what files you uploaded and downloaded"
Should that be most donT log or did I miss something completely?
"Internet movie thieves be warned: You have no friends in the online community when you are engaging in copyright theft,"
ROFLMAO
They are just pathetic. I hope people will take the MPAA to court like that divorced mom RIAA. Someone has to fight!
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26. August 2005 @ 01:04 |
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yep it shpould be, thans a lot :-) that was a product of microsoft word spell check ;-) ill fix it
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Daniel_G
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26. August 2005 @ 06:17 |
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Microsoft word's spellcheck always puts more errors back than it takes out Dela ;) You'd be better off using an online spellcheck
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26. August 2005 @ 08:15 |
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lawsuits lawsuits lawsuits, when will they ever get the point that all these lawsuits will just make users make mirros of p2p or other sites and start right back up i understand that they are mad but it's pointless :)
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26. August 2005 @ 10:38 |
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The MPAA is just dumb. They can't even word their unfounded threats properly. This isn't "copyright theft"; I don't think any file sharer has magically made a copyrighted work become uncopyrighted. If whoever made that quote had half a brain, they would have said copyright infringement. Pity it's not a crime to lie to the public.
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26. August 2005 @ 18:26 |
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Never did like logs :-(
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yeardley
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26. August 2005 @ 19:49 |
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Thanks for the story. I wish they would -not- include the threatening quotes from MPAA executives in those articles, like in this one. It's like giving them free advertising, delivering their message for them to the appropriate audience. I wish they would write something like "So-and-so released a statement to the P2P community with threatening connotations, but this type of low-brow bullying has been shown to be ineffective in curbing P2P usage, time after time. As usual, they fail to grasp the impossibility of what they are greedily trying to achieve, and are continuing in their attempts to buy their way through the legal system in order to maintain their grasp of an industry that has enjoyed an over-inflated revenue for long enough."
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27. August 2005 @ 00:56 |
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There is a fatal flaw in the MPAA`s logic.
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This is sort of "propaganda" by the MPAA to try to dissuade file sharers from using BitTorrent sitesQuote:
Lets say I am a casual downloader on some BitTorrent site. I see all this "propaganda" about lawsuits etc. and decide to stop using any BitTorrent software to download. I have decided to go cold turkey and walk the straight and narrow. PRAISE THE LORD . I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT !!!! Some time down the road the MPAA get a hold of the sites log and decides to sue me. Unless they offer some sort of amnesty going forward whats the point of quitting. Once a downloader , always a downloader. Even though I have stopped , I am branded with a capital D on my forehead, just waiting for the MPAA police to show up !!!
They want people to stop but have not given anyone a good reason to stop.
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deik
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27. August 2005 @ 06:55 |
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WAAAAAAA!! I'm the MPAA! WAAAAAAAAA!! Stop stealing my stuff! WAAAAAAAA!! You're all mean! WAAAAAAAAA!! Now all my big brothers who are lawyers are gonna hunt all down wether or not you download any more since my threats don't stop you cause i'm such a pussy! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!
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27. August 2005 @ 18:33 |
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I tell you what, it is starting to get pretty f*cking scary for the people that download these things (i don't and have never because i am aware of the consequences and do not fancy being sued ;))
no offence to the people still downloading but you have to be a pretty stupid motherf*cker to continue downloading now that the sh*t has realy hit the fan...
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27. August 2005 @ 20:37 |
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@Phantom69, this is just another example of the MPAA's exaggerated propaganda, as was mentioned in the article. If you allow lies and bullying to shape your behavior, the MPAA succeeds. I'm not telling you to infringe on copyrights, but like 72morgan said, once you're guilty, you're guilty. Getting caught is no where near as easy as they claim though.
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S2K
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28. August 2005 @ 04:04 |
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phantom 69, please tell me of a single case where someone who as you say "downloads" has ever, EVER been charged with a civil or criminal violations?
Can you name one? no.
They have been using various methods to chill the uplaodrs, and make ingorant people (unfortuately like yourself) think, through poorly informed press using wrong terminology, that "downloaders" have also been targeted -- when it has never been the case.
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willeyboy
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28. August 2005 @ 06:59 |
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very nicely put Yeardly
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28. August 2005 @ 09:15 |
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286 lawsuits/20 million plus illegal downloads, so the chances of you getting sued are................
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Weycraze
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28. August 2005 @ 10:07 |
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That's a sad day man, for sure!!
Getting busted for 60kb torrent file!! What a Joke.
I'm up in Canada, but on the downloading side of things, I'm glad I'm not in the US.
They make it seem like the MPAA is broke and giong out of business.LOL
Oh well, be carefull US neighbors!!!
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29. August 2005 @ 20:01 |
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I am here to enlighten you all!
I know this is going to sound kind of stupid, but as we all know, the RIAA is saying now that once a downloader, always a downloader deal. I think 72morgan put it that way?? Anyways, this sparked something in my mind. If you had the oppurtunity, the RIAA agent is sitting in front of you saying, "Sign this and you are free to go." would you sign it? Here is what it says, you must identify yourself, delete all illegal content you have, and swear to never download illegaly again. It is a contract. Do you sign it??
Just think about this. I have been thinking about it, and I don't know if I would or not. The chance of gettnig caught is so small, and the price I'd have to pay would just make me work harder. If I have to come up with $20,000 to pay for 'damages' I'll find a way. If you think about though, how many of you that have downloaded illegal files before would have bought them for the retail price? I have NEVER downloaded anything I felt was worth paying for, or that I didn't already own that got destroyed. What it boils down to in my situation, is no more than $100 in damages no matter what they say, and that is pushing it on the upper side of the price range. Anyways, back to the subject, would you sign it??
"Sherman also announced the Clean Slate Program that grants amnesty to users who voluntarily identify themselves, erase downloaded music files and promise not to share music on the Internet. The RIAA said it will not sue users who sign and have notarized a Clean Slate Program affidavit."
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/09/09/music.swap.settlement/
Think about that, I'll be waiting for replies and a discussion;)
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Razor89
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29. August 2005 @ 20:04 |
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yeardley
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30. August 2005 @ 08:08 |
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Razor89 -
The amnesty contract sort of amuses me a little bit...it reminds me of that pledge they get high school seniors to sign before prom night, which makes them promise that they won't lose their virginity after the dance. Back when I was a senior, those who signed it were rewarded with access to a pizza party and a break from half a day of school.
-Guess how many signed it?
-Guess how many were deflowered anyway?
Obviously, it's not the perfect comparison, because with the amnesty program you actually have to 'give yourself up' as someone who has already been 'breaking the rules' that the MPAA and RIAA claim exist. (If I understood it correctly, the program gives you the option to come forward, admit downloading/possibly adding you name to the keep-an-eye-on-me list, sign the contract, delete the downloaded content, and then you wouldn't be sued so long as you never downloaded again -- but if you were 'caught red-handed' without having signed the contract, you would not have the option to sign it after-the-fact)
With the volatility and clear desperation that these corporations have exhibited in their scramble to hogtie technological advancements in digital communications for their benefit, I think it's safe to say that one thing they have NOT gained through their efforts is the trust of anybody in the P2P community. Personally, I don't think I have the trust in these corporations that would be necessary for me to enter into any type of contract with them whatsoever. And as always, of course, I don't think their goals are legitimate.
I think that the group this program is really aimed toward is the parents of younger downloaders. The MPAA/RIAA is probably hoping that these parents read articles about the lawsuits or see them on the news, like the recent one about the divorced mother. I think they are counting on other 'divoced mothers' and parents out there to identify with the victims of these lawsuits and worry that 'it could happen to them.' The next day they read an article about the amnesty program, and immediately ask their kids to sign the contract and delete the content. It's a clever move if you ask me, as in many cases it is parents out there who don't have a realistic grasp of the internet. For example, how many young subscribers to legal music services have probably been asked by their parents after reading such an article, "Are you doing that illegal downloading?" I know that aren't always oblivious, but I think a lot of the parents don't understand the downloading, and the MPAA/RIAA fear-tactics are easy to get away with when you're dealing with people who don't understand the subject itself. All these parents know is, "I don't know what this is, but I don't want to get sued."
As for the P2P community at large -- my prediction is that the amnesty program, much like any previous efforts, will be about as successful as a lemonade stand. There'll be a few takers, but mostly it's a waste of time.
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30. August 2005 @ 11:14 |
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yeardley, you hit the nail on the head. It's funny that it used to be the parents worried about kids being ignorant and taken advantage of. Now the roles are reversed.
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Spiridon
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31. August 2005 @ 09:24 |
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Like the other comments said, this is just stupid!
I just got back from a vacation in Taiwan, and one thing that I notiched are how prices are so different there from where i live (netherlands)
For example, the music that is made in Taiwan, is half the price of what the western/american music costs. And the same goes for movies, and people there don't even bother looking at the western movie and music sections because it is just too expensive. I should note that these people make less money then us european/american/western people.
I boought a CD+DVD box of a Taiwanese female artist that I enjoyed watching on TV and the like. The CD+DVD box was about 10 euro, and trust me, it wasnt low quality crap, or well not in my opinion.
So instead of suing people and making loosing more and more customers because of bad names, maybe they should just half their current prices. I know I would easly buy a new DVD every week if they were 5 to 7.5 euro, and I dont mean making them that price 2 years after they have come out, but the moment the DVD is put on the market. And I am sure that a lot of people feel that way.
Ah well thats just my thought.
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Razor89
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31. August 2005 @ 13:11 |
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So...I see now that as the article I posted says, signing that contract will not guarentee you are not sued, only that you are not sued by them. I think that is crazy that the prices are so low everywhere but where I live lol. If DVD's were as cheap here as they are there, I would have no motivation to get illegal copies of them because by the time I wait for the download, get the supplies, and burn it, it will cost almost as much and be much worse quality. I would also buy them at a cheaper price, and also if the stuff I wanted was more available. A lot of the things that I have gotten illegaly I did beleive they were worth the money, but I simply couldn't get them becuase nobody carries them and the like. I like going to the movies too, but it costs so damn much. The prices are skyrocketing here, and the movies aren't getting any better! We should all move over there or make a petition or something. I guess in a way, everyone that downloads instead of buying is boycotting in a way.
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2. September 2005 @ 07:56 |
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Yes.. I agree. If media was released at decent prices, eveyone would buy..... Company greed destroys this. It always has, and probably always will.
They fail to realise that its better to sell 100,000,000 Million units for $10 each, then maybe 1,000,000 for $30 each..
The car industy suffer the same problem.
If people were to pay retail prices for 2 new albums, a couple of movies, and a few PC games, the could spend $300 + per week...which is crazy.
These days people want more... Its not a case of a new movie every 4 months, and a new game treat twice per year.. Most peple I know what every movie, every game, every release.... in with the new, and out with the old on a weekly basis
The Internet has sped up distributon, and alows more people to enjoy things more often... Retail prices need to offset this digital advantage, with agressive pricing. But instead of doing something about it. They winge, sue people, and don't see the big picture.
And besides... Do the realy think stopping a few torrent sites will remedy their issue.
You could go to a LAN, and dump every release to your PC in 15 minutes over the nework.
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dufas
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2. September 2005 @ 10:06 |
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Point 1...The movie industry screws their own people all the time, what makes anybody think they will be honest with anybody else.
Point 2...The MPAA's fight against downloaders is now run by lawyers. The lawyers are going to keep things going as long as they can just for the money, nothing else. If P2P were an ambulance, it would have been stomped into the ground under the lawyer's feet by now.
When the MPAA started this campaign, they announced that they were not concerned about anyone downloading old movies. They used the movie "It's A Wonderful Life" as an example. They stated that they were only concerned about the sharing of first run movies and their dip in immeadiate profits. Then, after analizing the data, it was found that new movies only accounted for 18 percent of the total downloads. The majority of the downloads were of classic movies and TV shows. Ahaa, there is money to be made here.. The MPAA then started going after ANY video sharing.
While this was going on, old movies and TV shows began to be marketed more aggressively at retail outlets. More shelves were added to increase the "classics and TV" display areas. Many of the videos for sale in stores are downloaded from the net by studios and distributers. These are the same files that the MPAA lawyers will try and nail a P2P users for. They are then converted to DVD and sold at these stores. All one has to do is follow the money trail...
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 20. March 2008 @ 00:57
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Virgil_B
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2. September 2005 @ 11:14 |
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S2K per your request...A lady that I work with has been served with a civil suit for uploading and downloading movies. The movie industry is wanting $620,000.00 to settle the suit without taking the case to court. Needless to say, they are attempting to take everything that the woman has. I do not believe that they are simply trying to scare people. I think that they mean business. I know from my friends experience that if you are one of the heavy hitters on P2P networks that they will come knocking on your door.
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2. September 2005 @ 17:29 |
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$620K!!
Seems to me they target easy money, you have some affluent friends.
Only way I could settle out of court would be in the back alley.
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