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fishbulb
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_ 		27. August 2005 @ 15:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
It seems I can't shrink the Muppet Show DVD's at all. There may be a way to do it that I'm not aware of but I don't think so. When I open the DVD's in Shrink, the "Menus, Main Movie, and Extras" are already compressed as far as they will go. There actually aren't any extras. They just have some of the episodes listed that are in the main movie part. There is a little bit of red showing on the compression bar. It's at 4432 MB. I have the "target DVD size" set to 4380 MB. Should I just use the default "target DVD size" for a DVD-5 (4464 MB) and see if the quality suits me? I hate to practically burn right to the edge but that may be the only way around this.
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binkie7
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_ 		27. August 2005 @ 16:23 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
fishbulb
Here's two other ways:
Use custom compression instead of automatic in shrink to reduce it down some manually or shrink it 2x - just set your target as hard disc folder then reopen file again in shrink.
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fishbulb
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_ 		27. August 2005 @ 16:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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Use custom compression instead of automatic
That's the problem. I can't use the custom compression on anything. Menus, Main Movie, and Extras are already compressed all the way down (bar is all the way to the left on each one.) That's why I was saying that I may have to just set the target size to the default DVD-5, 4464 MB, since it is bigger than the Muppet DVD which comes out at 4432 MB when I have it set to custom target size of 4380. Hope that makes sense ;-).
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shrink it 2x
Do you mean shrink it twice? Wouldn't that hurt the overall appearance on the picture?
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just set your target as hard disc folder then reopen file again in shrink.
What will this do?
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arniebear
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_ 		27. August 2005 @ 16:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
What you are saying is the disk is a single layer disk with already compressed video on it. Why not do a direct copy or use Decrypter in iso read then write mode if the movie is smaller than 4.3gig there is no need for Shrink.
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binkie7
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_ 		27. August 2005 @ 16:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Gotcha - didn't realize you'd tried that.
By shrinking it 2x the quality shouldn't be that much worse since the 2nd time very little compression will be used.
I usually burn to the end using Taiyo Yuden. If your using quality media that may not be a problem. After 1 year copies I burned on quality media to the end are still good.
Putting it in the hard disc folder gives you a compressed file that you can then reopen in shrink to compress again then burn to meet your target size.
Hope I'm making sense:)
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fishbulb
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_ 		27. August 2005 @ 17:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
@arniebear
No, actually the disc is about 7.7 GB. The compression bar is all the way to the left, not the right, on everything. the compression is at 59.0%. I think it must have something to do with the fact that there are no extras on the disc. Just 7 episodes which are up to 25 minutes each and for some reason, 5 of them are listed under the extras section while all 7 of them are naturally listed in the main movie section also. So it's like 5 of these titles are on here twice. I guess that's what makes it so compressed from the beginning.
The main movie shows a run time of 3:44:45 while the extras show a run time of 2:02:48. That's almost 6 hours! I guess that's the problem. But I think I'm just going to change my target size to get it to fit. I think the quality will be satisfactory.
btw binkie7, I'm using Verbatim's so I shouldn't have anything to worry about in that department :-).
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arniebear
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_ 		28. August 2005 @ 05:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I understand about the doubling of titles, I have experienced this many times, mostly with episodic disks from the UK. The disk will appear double in size. Usually I do these in CloneDVD and just uncheck the extra titles, and take out what I want and preserve the menus. It really does not do much for compression because even when you uncheck them the compression remains the same. It is almost as if they are ghost titles. IMO I would just go ahead and Shrink it and see if you like the quality, if not then split the disk and this will give you zero compression.
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fishbulb
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_ 		28. August 2005 @ 08:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thanks arniebear. I wish I still had the free version of CloneDVD, but like you said it probably wouldn't make that much difference. I ran across this same problem w/ the spongebob complete season DVD's. So I guess you're right about it happening often to episodic DVD's. I thought about splitting them also but I would end up w/ 7 or 8 discs instead of the original 4. That's just too many. I think if I just shrink it w/ deep analysis and quality enhancements it will be ok.
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arniebear
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_ 		28. August 2005 @ 08:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You are right use deep analysis and quality enhancements, although it will take sometime to do, you shouldn't come out too bad. I have done some with 40% compression and they playback fine. Lately though I have taken to just splitting the disk, as media is now cheap. Good luck :)
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