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"High Quality" TYG02 inkjet printable at cdrdvdrmedia.com
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mrchub
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1. September 2005 @ 11:32 |
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Hi, anyone know if these are legit TY's? I've ordered from these guys in the past but not recently. I've never heard of a brand called "High Quality" and am wondering if these are true TY's. If so, 31 bones (plus tax and shipping) for 100 8x inkjet printables (they look like they're almost hub printable) is pretty damn good, no? Here's the link:
http://www.cdrdvdrmedia.com/high-quality-8x-dvd-r-blank-media-ink...
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1. September 2005 @ 23:35 |
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"high quality" brand is DEFINITELY NOT GENUINE TAIYO YUDENS. :)
i spoke at lengths about this brand in another thread...just too lazy to find it and link you, but, the bottom line is...these are FAKES. beware...
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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2. September 2005 @ 02:51 |
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Those are HQ branded discs "borrowing" the TY media code... They are NOT genuine TY!
If it looks like sh*t and smells like sh*t, then guess what? It IS SH*T!!!
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mrchub
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5. September 2005 @ 19:42 |
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Thanks, folks. BTW, how do you know for sure, especially given that TY makes discs for so many other brands? If they suck I'll just send them back to cdrdvdrmedia.com (a branch of Meritline) at their expense. I've got them in writing making that offer, so I figure what the hell...
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5. September 2005 @ 19:56 |
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you can tell for sure by LOOKING on the actual disc...if they do not have the GG000xxx coding on the inner hub, they are DEFINITELY FAKE TYs~ that is how u tell~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
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akyllonen
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5. September 2005 @ 21:18 |
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Funny thing is they sell the real TYG02's for .57 each. ($57/100). BTW, you will be sending them back....fake TY's will never standup to quality tests. Plus down the road if you decide to keep them, I hope you don't burn anything you want to last, as you'll probably find out they wont work later on.
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mrchub
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6. September 2005 @ 10:10 |
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Hmm. OK, well so much for this experiment. BTW, why wouldn't the people doing the fakes go the whole route and do the inner hub ID as well? Seems like printing a bunch of US ones and forgetting to put the eye on top of the pyramid ;-)
I've sent an email to TY's US headquarters with the cdrdvdrmedia link. Hopefully someone will get back to me, though I'm not holding my breath.
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6. September 2005 @ 17:52 |
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Here's my response from customer service on these discs...
Helen: Thank you for contacting CdrdvdrMedia Live Help. How may I help you?
Alex: I would like to order a sample of High Quality 8X DVD-R Blank Media TYG02 code.
Helen: DVD-R-media-blank-shiny-tyg02.html," class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.cdrdvdrmedia.com/high-quality-8x-DVD-R-media-blank-shi... you mean you want to order this DVD-R, right?
Alex: Yes, a sample. To test quality against genuine TYG02's.
Helen: I'm sorry but we do not offer any sample. You can try 25 Pack, please don't worry, if you are not satisfied with the products you ordered, you can return for refund or exchange. ^_^
Alex: Do you cover return shipping plus refund the shipping to me?
Helen: Please refer to http://www.cdrdvdrmedia.com/return.html to see our return policy.
Helen: At CdrdvdrMedia.com, we offer 100 % customer satisfactory guarantee.
Alex: THanks for the help...I'll stick with Supermediastore then.....
Helen: A lot of customers ordered this DVD-R, and we never received any complaints
Helen: OK, no problem. Thanks anyway! :_)
Alex: THat's why I'd like to run Disc Quality Tests on a couple
Alex: to see if they are as good as the genuine ones
Alex: THey are listed as fakes on a website
Helen: Yes, I know. But it's very difficult for us to send samples since these disks are packed well from the manufacturer
Helen: So I'm afraid we won't offer such service recently. Thanks for your understanding.
Alex: Thanks anyways....
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mrchub
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6. September 2005 @ 19:12 |
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Thanks, akyllonen, that's quite similar to the transcript of my own chat with one of their reps (in my case Phoebe). UPS delivers them tomorrow so I'll bust 'em open, compare them physically with my real TY's, then burn a few. I fully assume I'll be returning them, of course.
Also, I got the following email response direct from TY a few hours ago, so they don't appear to be able/willing to help out too much:
From: "Chika Nakatsuka" <cnakatsuka@t-yuden.com>
To: ^^^^^^^^^^@yahoo.com
Thank you for your inquiry.
We don't ship to cdrdvdrmedia.com directly, so hard to tell it is our media. If you like to be sure, here is our direct distributor.
DISC MAKERS www.discmarket.com *ULTRA series
Best regards,
Chika Nakatsuka
CD-R/DVD-R Sales
Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc.
I know discmarket.com only because I had some coupon included with my Plextor burner for some free discs from them. Their prices at first glance don't appear to be anything to write home about compared to other places which sell genuine TY (Rima, Supermediastore, etc.).
All I ask is either genuine TY or Verb hub printables for, say, 45 cents apiece, shipped. Is that too much to ask? ;-)
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akyllonen
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6. September 2005 @ 21:44 |
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If you could run some Nero Disc quality tests and/or kProbe one or two that would be helpful to see the pic of a fake vs a legit TYG02. Also if you could post the hub serial numbers that would be great....probably gonna be those T1017's again.....
Do you have any TYG02's (real) to compare them to?
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mrchub
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7. September 2005 @ 01:23 |
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that link is supermediastores somewhat "lame" attempt to help ease customer frustration and disappointment in purchasing FAKE TYs~ :)
i have some FAKE TYS, while i believe they are DIFFERENT than the "high quality" ones that you will be receiving soon mrchub, just for the general knowledge of those that will come to this thread, here is MY FAKE TYs inner hub serial number:
-R8X DH-05-19 314 0108
(mind you, this is on the TOP SIDE of the inner hub on these particular fakes, unlike the genuine Taiyo Yudens which start with GG000xxx for these particular 8x DVD-R, my FAKES also media ID code out as TYG02~ :) but were MADE IN TAIWAN as i found out later after some investigating, genuine TYs are NEVER NEVER NEVER made in taiwan, ALWAYS in JAPAN~!!)
well, please let us know once you find out some more and run some scans on those particular "high quality TYG02s", i am interested to see the comparison myself... my fake TYs are HORRIBLE...comparable to creaky's bulkpaq horrendous scans...i wonder if THESE "high quality" discs will fare much better?
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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mrchub
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7. September 2005 @ 11:28 |
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Well, it appears the impossible (i.e., 30 cents each for inkjet printable TYs) is, in fact, impossible. Within ten minutes of each other I received the discs and received a nice return phone call from Chika at TY. Here's a synopsis of our conversation, followed by my initial comments about the discs:
Chika: How much did you pay for them?
Me: $30.99 plus shipping and tax.
Chika: (Laughter) I don't think this is possible. How are the discs packaged?
Me: As two 50-disc cakeboxes, but not the distinctive TY cakeboxes that I've seen before either with TY discs or Fuji dvd+r discs
Chika: We DO NOT ship any TY white inkjet printable discs in cakeboxes. All of the white inkjet printable discs we ship are shrink-wrapped but they are never inside cakeboxes.
Me: Is it possible that the seller repackaged them like this?
Chika: Anything is possible, but that sounds unlikely.
(NOTE: The cakeboxes were themselves tightly shrink-wrapped, and were clearly done so by whoever the real manufacturer is, not by cdrdvdrmedia)
Me: OK, who do you recommend so that I can be sure that this doesn't happen again?
Chika: Discmarket.com's "Ultra" discs are genuine TY's. Also, microboards.com is probably the TY source for places like Rima and Supermediastore, though you might not be able to order from them directly.
Me: Any foolproof way to spot fake TY's?
Chika: It is a problem. The only true way is to order from discmarket.com or another place you are sure about.
Me: Thank you.
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As for the discs themselves, they are packaged in a grey-bottom cakebox (which we might call fakeboxes in this case, yuk, yuk), the base of which is unusual. It's curved on four corners but with four straight edges connecting the curved sections (i.e., not completely round). Maybe that's a clue for someone, but I've never seen this exact fakebox before.
I busted one batch open a few minutes ago. A quick visual check of about ten of them shows no obvious dye issues, but that means nothing, of course. This is what DVD Identifier says:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG02]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [TYG02]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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This info is identical to that of a few real, already burned TYG02 discs I checked, so they've faked that part well. Here are a few other physical characteristics of these fakes versus my real TYG02 discs:
1) FAKE: The innermost hub (i.e., the last see-through plastic ring before you're at the eye of the storm) has the following printed on it (as viewed from the writable side, not the printable top side), no quotes: "C5527180712"
REAL: Innermost clear ring has the following printed, as viewed from the printable top side, not the writable bottom side, no quotes: "NM417B03625GG"
2) FAKE: There is a dark purple ring which is immediately inside of the beginning of the writable surface. It has this printed on it, no quotes: "DVD-R 8X 302"
REAL: As mentioned by kivory666 and seen in many other posts, the disc has the following on an inner ring which, though inside the writable area, is decidedly different from the thicker, very dark ring of the fakes, no quotes: "GG000102"
Also on this same ring, but opposite, it says, no quotes: "C302"
3) FAKE: The top, printable side has the white area extend to within a few millimeters of the edge, but there is a thin (but noticable) silver area between the end of the white area and the completely clear outermost perimeter. In other words, these fakes look a little like some TDK printables (TTG02 code) I have. Not the same, but similar.
REAL: In contrast, the top, printable side of the real TYG02 printables have the white surface almost all the way to the outer edge of the disc, and when the white area stops there is nothing but a completely clear, see-through outer perimeter of maybe a mm or two. There is no silver area between the end of the white and the clear final edge. Or, if there is a silver surface it is perfectly covered by the white surface.
OK, so that's just the physical differences. I plan to burn only one of these fakes before sending them back. Unfortunately I don't have any blank real TYG02 discs hanging around so I can't burn the same movie to both a real and fake disc to compare. Also, since the discs are very clearly already fakes, it hardly matters what the scans look like. I mean, do we really care if they are good fakes or bad fakes? If the goal is simply a decent as opposed to perfect write why not just go with Ritek discs, know what I mean? These aren't TY discs and that's about all that's relevant, IMO.
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@mrchub, nice detailed post there..
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8. September 2005 @ 00:42 |
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very nicely spoken mrchub~ :) yes, those are DEFINITELY FAKE, but i agree with you, who really cares about "good fakes" or "bad fakes", bottom line is, they are FAKES~ :)
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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mrchub
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8. September 2005 @ 00:54 |
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Kind of like buying a fake Rolex in Bangkok, kivory666. Yeah, it might keep time for awhile, maybe even fool people for a few months, but still...
Just got an email from cdrdvdrmedia.com about my RMA request. It said, in part, "I am very sorry for the problem you encountered with our products. We will refund to you, but before I issue you a RMA# for your order to return, would you please tell me do you want an in-store credit, which can be used to your next new order with us?
BTW, the item 102-447-100 you ordered are not TY brand discs, but it seems anyone of us confirm it for you? Pls let me know, then I will check."
I responded by telling them that I had the transcript of a chat with one of their online reps claiming that the discs were TY, not to mention that the webpage in question, DVD-R-blank-media-inkjet-printable.html," class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.cdrdvdrmedia.com/high-quality-8x-DVD-R-blank-media-ink... prominently displays not only the TY name but also the media code and company logo! Also told them that they'd better refund me my return shipping costs for the two 50-pack fakeboxes or else I'd write to the BBB about their deceptive practices.
Seriously, how shortsighted can you be to have a significant online presence like cdrdvdrmedia or Meritline and still try to bullsh*t people? Unbelievable.
On the bright side, it looks like both Supermediastore and Rima have recently dropped their prices on legit inkjet printable TYs, so there's still hope!
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akyllonen
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8. September 2005 @ 06:23 |
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... prominently displays not only the TY name but also the media code and company logo!
This is what irritated me about these discs. I can see being deceptive by saying these are "like" Taiyo Yudens, but by falsely using the TY logo as well is BS. One would think TY would do some kind of legal action against this as these fakes give them a bad name to those who do not know they are fake.
Also if you can post the Disc Quality scan of the fake that would be a helpful tool in the future, to show the people who ask about these discs what they are in for if they order them.
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mrchub
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8. September 2005 @ 12:42 |
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I still plan to post a scan eventually...BTW, an update on the webpage in question. I just noticed that they've removed all mention of the words Taiyo Yuden and the four or five instances where the logo was present. Apparently threatening them works. The TYG02 code is posted, but that's not actually a lie, since the discs actually do have that code, even if it's fake.
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8. September 2005 @ 23:54 |
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wow, the audacity of even trying to lie themselves out of their own fabrication~ simply ridiculous...
taking the TY logo off MIGHT help them in getting out of legal battles, but, for the unweary consumer (90% of the general public) in regards to dvd media, if they KNOW that the media ID coding is TYG02 (after researching or simply reading some of the media forums), MANY will fall under it's spell~ :)
i will stick to supermediastore and rima for my TY dvd needs, i have YET to have a problem with either of those 2 stores, i DID have 1 bad incident with meritline a few months back, but, since i eventually got it resolved (post RMA status), i still will not buy from them again...
a lot of this is based upon user's PERSONAL experience with these companies, a friend tells a friend, and so on...for the most part, no matter HOW many "positive reviews" a company has, there will be the ones IN THE KNOW, that have dealt with the unscrupulous practices of said companies...i for one am one of them; so, i base my PERSONAL purchases now from companies i have had pleasant buying experiences from...i have never tried this cdrdvdrmedia.com and now based on YOUR experience, i probably never will...
knowledge is a powerful thing...share the wealth of knowledge my friends here on AD, to KNOW about what you are walking into is POWER~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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9. September 2005 @ 07:37 |
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does anyone have a link to a store that sells TY discs?
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9. September 2005 @ 11:38 |
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Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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mrchub
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9. September 2005 @ 13:43 |
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kivory666, you're dead on correct. For a long time I used to think these places (supermediastore, cdrdvdrmedia, meritline, rima, shop4tech,...) were all the same. Clearly they aren't. I've also never had a bad experience with supermediastore or rima, so I'll just stick with them.
Funny, but when I first got a dvd burner about 2 1/2 or 3 years ago I initially ordered from cdrdvdrmedia.com. They shipped fast, which was all I cared about. Then again, I was such a dunce back then that I was buying the absolute cheapest discs I could find (like "Accu," whatever the hell that is). Of course, now most of those initial burns won't play at all!
Like everyone I'm always looking for the deal of deals, but I've got to keep repeating to myself, "TY or Verb, TY or Verb,..." BTW, Amazon has a decent ongoing deal for hub printable +r Verbs: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0001LRIT4/102-0717... Since it's free shipping and no tax it's not bad.
Also, I just ordered my first batch of silver inkjet printable TY's from Rima. Anyone have comments about the quality of the prints on these silver-topped ones versus regular white (I have an Epson R200)?
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10. September 2005 @ 17:04 |
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@mrchub,
i PERSONALLY like the silver printables over the white ones~ :) i have a R300, btw, and i like this "holgraphic finish" that the silver ones have over the white printables; nothing wrong w/ the white printables as the color seems to stand out more vibrantly on them than the silver ones; but, i just like this glossy/holographic-like look that the silver ones have over the white tops :)
as long as they TYs, you should just as pleased with them as i have been, i don't buy many printables anymore as i've just became lazy and stick to my good ole' sharpie to write the names on my backups now; but, these silver tops are very nice in MY opinion, i have a few hundred of them and they still look great~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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mrchub
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11. September 2005 @ 10:42 |
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kivory666, yeah, I'm getting lazy as well. I base my precious R200 ink usage on the graphics of the dvd I'm backing up. If it has nice artwork or helps me to remember what the movie is about I'll do it. Is it ink-worthy (sort of like Elaine on Seinfeld trying to determine if a guy is sponge-worthy)?
I just noticed that there don't seem to be any hub-printable silver discs out there by either TY or Verbatim. Unfortunately I only realized this after I got Rima's shipping notification. Damn.
BTW, I'm burning that one fake TY I mentioned I'd do as I write this. A backup of The Forgotten. I'll post some scans eventually (after I burn it again to a real disc, of course.
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11. September 2005 @ 11:51 |
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For people in the uk the best place to by Tayio Yuden Discs is www.svp.co.uk probably more expensive than in the u.s but the cheapest i've found in the U.K and excellent shipping times
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