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paradyme
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27. September 2005 @ 20:52 |
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I discovered for myself today that DVD encryption can be loaded and made part of the actual film content, never truly being removed from the film by programs like SHRINK. I backed-up the HIP-HOP documentry "BackStage" a few weeks ago to my hard drive. At the time SHRINK had no problem ripping the encryption, or so I thought. I even successfully made a copy from my hard drive with no-problem. Today while trying to make a 2nd copy, using NERO alone. I was served my 1st coaster from my latest supply of TDK 8X DVD-R printable media. I have had great success with TDK disk media and was supprised as I watched both FBI and Copywrite blue screens begin to alternate as my disc copy process approach finalization. Then the recording process was cancelled abruptly? I then enabled DVD43 and tried making another copy which this time I was successful. Though all disc do not share this type of encryption software, be aware people that it exist. This means basically that some encryption software or programs have a peek-A-boo like function that allows it become dormid leaving one to assume that it has been removed when actually the encryption software is being transferred with the DVD's content and takes advantage of the assumption that the encryption has been removed but actually resurfaces anytime you attempt to record the DVD's content without using an encryption ripping program. Actually I give these encryption programmers credit, that shit is genius.
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28. September 2005 @ 09:22 |
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ha ha ha ha ha ha:)
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paradyme
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28. September 2005 @ 10:29 |
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Ha Ha? More like Hmmm? Has anyone encountered this before?
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29. September 2005 @ 19:16 |
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Can I get some feedback people?:)
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29. September 2005 @ 19:32 |
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Shrinks encryption busting system has never been that good. Since it is no longer being updated, it's getting further and further out of date as the newer protection algorithms and structure altering systems come out.
Your best bet is to use Any DVD or DVD 43 in conjunction with Shrink for all of your work. Personally, I have gone to Any DVD exclusivly, and changed to Nero Recode 2 for my shrinking routines. The Nero program was written by the same guy who wrote Shrink, and it's much faster.
With Any DVD, you don't need a copy program to transfer the DVD VIDEO_TS folder to your Hard Drive. Just use the standard Copy/Paste system that is built into Windows. After that, you can use Shrink or Nero Recode 2 (which ever you like best)!
As for sleeping protection. Nope - It's just protection that didn't get removed on the first pass. You got lucky!
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29. September 2005 @ 20:05 |
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Sleep is a good way to put. But it does just that. See, while SHRINK is compressing the DVD's content from my hard drive, what appears to be a label of some sort continuously flashes, I take it's the encryption. This label never is removed from the copy and does resurface to reuin future attempts to copy unless you are using a ripping program to overide it's function. SHRINK will not override this but DVD43 does. Other than this is issue, I've had no problems with using SHRINK in conjunction with NERO. What do you think of TDK 8X DVD-R media? What's the difference between 4X and 8X disc media, as it relates to reproduction.
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29. September 2005 @ 21:19 |
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para......check out this link:http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
it will tell you that TDK with manufacturers IDs of TDKG02, Yuden, MCC all are top notch (Taiwan/Japan made). I use Taiyo Yuden DVD+Rs, white injet Hub printables.
As far as your SLEEPER encryption goes..... I have never come across anything like that..... If I can rip to my hard drive I can burn it! I just came across LORD OF DOGTOWN with the new Sony encryption and an up-to-date DVDFab Express ripped and burned it just fine! I also used the up-to-date DVDFab Decrypter and it ripped it just fine, too and was able to burn using CopyToDVD! I find it funny that you made one copy ok and then it would work for your next copy! When was that HIP-HOP documentry "BackSTage" released and by who? Was is Sony pictures? They are the ones that usually put out new encryptions, or try to stump the programers with new encryptions! But, the fix is usually updated by programs like AnyDVD and DVDFabs! Sooooooo there's a fix for everything that comes along...... SO FAR..... until, maybe HD-DVD or Blu-Ray DVDs! I'll have to look your movie up....... and where did you ever get it anyway? in blockbuster?
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29. September 2005 @ 21:26 |
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I am answering my own question! hahahaha BACKSTAGE the hip-hop documentry DVD was released in 2001 so there couldn't be NEW ENCRYPTIONS on there that wasn't addressed years ago. What happened to the ripped files on your HD after you already burned them to a DVD is beyond me. But it couldn't be new or SLEEPER encryptions that all the programs that are doing the job of ripping for years didn't know about already!
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smsmike
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29. September 2005 @ 21:28 |
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Quote:
paradyme (Newbie) 30. September 2005 @ 00:05
Sleep is a good way to put. But it does just that. See, while SHRINK is compressing the DVD's content from my hard drive, what appears to be a label of some sort continuously flashes, I take it's the encryption. This label never is removed from the copy and does resurface to reuin future attempts to copy unless you are using a ripping program to overide it's function. SHRINK will not override this but DVD43 does. Other than this is issue, I've had no problems with using SHRINK in conjunction with Nero. What do you think of TDK 8X DVD-R media? What's the difference between 4X and 8X disc media, as it relates to reproduction.
That "Label" which is one of Shrinks "Down Falls," isn't new. It has been discussed at length many, many times. As stated, it's NOT sleeping protection, it's just one of the things that Shrink can't deal with. Don't use SHRINK by itself, it has many flaws and issues that can really screw you up. Enough said on that subject??
As for disk speeds and different brands of media, this isn't the forum for that type of discussion. Everyone has their own personal favorate when it comes to brands and recording speed. Use what works best for you and don't worry about what others think.. YOUR own experiences are what matter in that area. Listening to others on this subject will just make you crazy and cost you big bucks.. You have been warned!
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29. September 2005 @ 21:39 |
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Sms..... not all the advise that you get from here is bad or will cost you money! Yes, stick with the things that work for you....... that's cause it works on your computer and your drives..... but as far as Quote:
Listening to others on this subject will just make you crazy and cost you big bucks.. You have been warned!
I take offense to that! Not that I tell people what to do..... I just advise them what works for me! I, and others like me, give knowledge and experience to others that need or want it! AfterDawn is a place to learn and share..... that's what makes it work! Use your own discretion on the information that is given. And not all advise is exactly the "Gospel" that works for everyone.... but comes close! I am sure that others here would really be angry with your quote on this subject! But that's another thread!
Just my 2 cents worth! DON'T KILL THE MESSENGER!
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29. September 2005 @ 22:12 |
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Ihoe I think sms was just stated what to me is obvious many posters reccomend sometimes expensive media as a badge of their expertise in fact many posts for help say its your media when in fact it is not as more info comes available. I think he could have worded it better but he's intitled to his opinion but technically his advice was sound.
Use what works for u in programs in media and for that matter what u can afford.
I use khypermedia its cheap but has never let me down in 5 years. I use freeware for everything and don't like Nero which on this site is gospel to some.
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30. September 2005 @ 02:37 |
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http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
if you buy the bargain basement media that cost less than 50cents a disk.......... that's cheap crap media! check out the list above! you can pay the same price for Memorex as you do Taiyo Yuden (bought online only!) for the same price! why buy the crap when you can buy the best! I bet you ....... if you buy khypermedia....... for like 5 yrs now...... then your backups should be causing you problems! And if you bought 5 yrs ago then disks were over 1.00 per disk!!! I know...... I bought then! some were $5.00 per disk!!!! and I was buying spools(50s-100s) of them to cut it down to $1.50 per disk! my only problem back then I was ignorant and bought Memorex! NOW SOME of those disks are no good at all....... COASTERS. So it is not hysterical people telling you that media is half the problem! It is. And if you were burning back then then you should know more than you know! I used to think that DVDXCopy was the only program out there! Now because of AD..... it opened my eyes to a whole world out there full of programs, guides and how to do EVERYTHING without coasters! Read this about your backups longevity and about DVD media problems (cheap media): http://www.videointerchange.com/dvd.htm#DVD
this should enlighten you about what you burn to! If your cheap stuff works now..... fine...... just tell me how it will work years from now!?!
I can't knock anyone for what works for them but I can say honestly if some one tells me that you should be weary about the advise that you get here....... well then don't ask for any! LOL after all.... this is a learning and sharing site..... people have opinions and voice them freely!
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30. September 2005 @ 05:00 |
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@ihoe- I wouldn't bother buddy.. This thread looks like its gone downhill already - I've seen a couple comments I disagree with too, but I'm too easily baited re media so am gonna step off. As to Nero I love it but I don't preach it. For someone who spends most of his time fixing other peoples Nero trouble I like to think I'm not a Nero pusher, just a helper
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30. September 2005 @ 05:20 |
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right then, let's attack some facts from a logfile in response to Quote:
Today while trying to make a 2nd copy, using Nero alone. I was served my 1st coaster from my latest supply of TDK 8X DVD-R printable media. I have had great success with TDK disk media and was supprised as I watched both FBI and Copywrite blue screens begin to alternate as my disc copy process approach finalization. Then the recording process was cancelled abruptly?
- i'm not gonna put blame on Shrink, Nero, TDK, AnyDVD or DVD43. let's just have the section of logfile pertaining to this copy process and we'll drill down to the real culprit.....
ps i do all my backing up of backups via a free method, ie copy/paste in windows explorer, then burn to disc with Nero Burning Rom in dvd-video compilation mode.
Let's have the logfile and put this thread to bed....
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30. September 2005 @ 06:53 |
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I hear ya, Creaky! You have done so much for AD and it's followers... I've learned plenty from you! I only started since April of this year but have learned plenty and NO MORE COASTERS FOR ME...... so far over 450 perfect burns without a coaster..... the first 200 burns..... maybe 100 coasters if not more! and I used crappy media and those disks cost me more than what I pay for disks now!.....and those original burns... I'm lucky to copy to HD now..... but that's only a few of the Memorex ones....the original Memorex was made by Ricoh.... and still work today (that's 4 yrs now!)
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30. September 2005 @ 07:41 |
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Hey people, Buy or rent "Back Stage" and you will see what I'm talking about. I want to make this clear that when I originally backed-up this movie (BackStage)I had DVD43 enabled. Not knowing at all that it would matter later on if I chose to make a copy and did not have DVD43 enabled. The encryption software is part of the media content on this DVD, Why and how I can't explain.
The label flickering back and fourth as I mentioned previously, is only seen when attempting to copy or tranfer this movie to disc media. Also be advsd that the DVD like some out there has that child protection screen, That gives you a "YES" or "NO" prompt and is used or seen when playing your DVD in players like PS2. On the topic of disc media I believe TDK makes a quality product.
If you visit their site they explain that the process used to produce there disc is done to produce disc media of a higher standard. I also realize that certain websites selling disc media support preferred brand names. I mean TDK is not like buying CompUSA house brand where you can scratch the the under surface of the DVD with little effort.
They also unlike many companies offer a wide array DVD media used for different applications. So uh,,,,I'd say there far from cheap. But are simply less preferred by members here. My question though was what have member's found to be the difference between 4x or 8x DVD-R disc media when recording? And hey I ain't in to flames or taking peoples comments or opinions personal. Nor am I attempting at anytime to insult anyone here. Just a dicussion.:)
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30. September 2005 @ 08:35 |
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I wasn't trying to insult anyone either and as a community AD is the best I have learned so much since coming here about a year ago.
so my apologize if anyone was offended :)
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