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Backing up PS2 DVDs
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30. September 2005 @ 01:55 |
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Hi,
Nowhere can I find a concrete answer to these questions, maybe you can help me...
I have used DVD Decrypter to back my PS2 DVD game up as MDS+ISO files.
- At what speed should I burn the DVD
- What DVD brand should I use?
- Does it matter if you use + or - DVDs?
- What program should I burn it with?
*I am gonna use SwapMagic 3.6 DVD to play burned games*
I have a PAL PS2, does it matter if I use NTSC games when I have SwapMagic 3.6 or do I need to patch it somehow?
I need an answer to my questions before I buy expensive DVD's and such..
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30. September 2005 @ 03:40 |
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the reason you can't get any clear answers is because
your questions have none. It is all a matter of opinion
as to what works best for each person, but i will try
1. I suggest one of 2 ways. Either set DVD Decrypter to 1X
and let it pick the best speed, or set it to 4X
2. most used brands are TDK, Philips, Verbatim, Ritek G04, Taiyo Yuden, i suggest DVD-R 8X speed DVD's
I have had a lot more luck with -R than +R
3. DVD Decrypter is one of the easiest and most used. Nero is also
used quite a bit, and Alcohol 120% as well
But i have used DVD Decrypter for years with no problems, and it's
free. Here is a tutorial on how to use it.
http://home.earthlink.net/~moderator/id3.html
4.Swap Magic 3.6 should be able to play either PAL or NTSC
I usually suggest getting the game for your own region if
you can. Due to the screen mode differences between PAL & NTSC
sometimes a litle bit of the screen may get cut off when playing a
game from a different region. There are patching programs out there that will convert a game from one to the other (either way) but
i have never used one because i have a DMS4 Pro chip which
will play anything.
Hope this has been a little help
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30. September 2005 @ 09:41 |
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Thanks a lot, what is the difference between + and - DVDs anyway?
With this info I'll order my SwapMagic 3.6 right away, I didn't wanna buy one without knowing exactly what to use and what not, I always use DVD Decrypter for DVDs but it's good for burning PS2 games too huh?
I have tried Alcohol 120% with any type of content but it always fails on my pc.. =/ the new Nero 7 works like a charm burning everything I want... but I'll stick to DVD Decrypter, just to be safe, I'm from Holland, DVDs are 99 eurocents here :( thats a bit more than a dollar... scamming stores...
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30. September 2005 @ 10:18 |
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What mod are you going to use beside swap magic discs? you didn't mention it once in your posts... just letting you know that swapmagic won't work on a storebought ps2 ok, it needs a mod. What mod you get depends on the version of ps2 you have. you should be able to find out more about this from where you will get your swapmagic discs, they normally do a bundle deal anyway.. just make sure you get the right mod for your type of ps2.
good luck with it
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30. September 2005 @ 12:13 |
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yes, for the older chunky versions you will need
Swap Magic and either a slidecard or flip top
for the newer slim there are a few different things that
all serve the same purpose (slimtool, magic switch, ghost switch)
or there is also aftermarket flip tops for those too
they also make full fliptop cases in colors if you really
want to go all out.
but you will need one of those things to use with your Swap Magic
so that the PSTwo does not reset when you go to swap discs
back up movies will play with no modification to your system
but game will not.
+R and -R are just slightly differnt. I think it is in the format
that the information is stored on the DVD
I have had much better luck with -R
but any PS2 above a V4 should play either one.
But when i use +R i find i get more glitchy audio/video
problem. I get none with -R
i always buy 8X speed dvd's as well
(some stores only have version 3.0 in PAL version)
but 3.0 should work just fine, that is what i have for my old V7
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30. September 2005 @ 15:18 |
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I'm not using any mods, there is a Dutch online store (www.slidecard.nl) that sells the SwapMagic 3.6 DVD+CD + Slidecard as a pack. That's all you need right? Right? :s
*Short on cash so hopes thats all there is to it*
I have an old PS2, it's V9 so that should be ok, I got a late build ^_^
One more question... is it possible to burn my chunky FF8 and FF7 cd box to a single DVD and making it work? (you know because of the mulit-disc system)
Has someone any experience wih Nero 7? (Yeah I know it isnt demo released yet, but I do have it =P) it is supposed to break any security, but I cant find it...
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30. September 2005 @ 15:48 |
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Well, technically the slidecard counts as a mod. yes, that and swapmagic is all you need... it can be a bit tricky to get the process right sometimes so I've heard, but it works.
I don't think there's a way to get a disc-set all onto a DVD-R. apparently there is a way to get multiple games onto a DVD-R, but I don't think it's worth all the hassle personally, I think it's better to just pay the 20p or whatever and have them on seperate discs.
Also, might be worth looking around for a better deal on dvd's... almost 1 euro for 1 dvd disc seems quite high ( I make that around 70p). I come from the UK and I pay around 20p-30p for good quality discs most of the time. I'm pretty sure that some UK websites will ship to holland too.
As for your questions, I can give you the info on what I use, but it's only a guide and not definite that it will work for you as you will jhave a different computer setup to me, different burner etc.
I use DVD Decrypter to read the iso to the hard drive. Then I use Nero to burn the image (iso) to disc using ritek g04 or 05 dye discs, verbatims or ritek cmc dye discs... I burn between 4x and 8x for all my games and all of them work great, but I would suggest you try 4x as I don't know what your computer specs are.
PM me if you have any probs or want some info on where I get my discs from etc.
good luck
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30. September 2005 @ 16:08 |
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Already checked the shipping thing, its 10 euros and up so that isnt worth it, 1euro is actually the standard price here, of course there are dealers @ my school but its 25euro for a 100dvds, which I'll never burn all =S I'll get my hands on some cheap DVDs >=)thanks for the help ^^
But still, what is the difference between DVD- and +, except - being better for PS2 burns... and uhm does it matter if I buy dual layer DVD or not? And what is dual layer exactly, I seriously dont have DVD expertise...
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1. October 2005 @ 02:04 |
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Ok the difference between + and - is that they are different formats as steimy said.
Don't buy cheap discs, some of them are totally useless for ps2 games burning... stick with using riteks, verbatims or taiyo yudens discs, if you buy cheap discs it's likely the burns won't play on your ps2.
I found a place in the UK that will ship to the netherlands, but if you're only going to buy around 50 discs it'll work out expensive for the shipping. around 30 euro's altogether for the 50 discs and shipping.
I looked at some of the places I usually get mine from, but they don't ship to the netherlands unfortunately.
But as you said that you usually pay around 1 euro per disc, the option above would work out 20 euro's cheaper than you are getting at the minute.
25 euro's for 100 dvd's is a good deal... but depends on what brand it is, even if you won't use them all yet they'd come in handy sometime.
anyway, good luck with everything
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1. October 2005 @ 06:27 |
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Thanks, but format, what do you mean, like PAL/NTSC or disk size?
And also, why are expensive discs more likely to be compatible?
Oh yeah one more thing, if I burn the DVDs at 2x or 4x, what time will it take to burn a 3gig game? cuz im burning at a friends place..
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1. October 2005 @ 06:53 |
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The format + or - is basically the same as the new genration formats coming out hdd or blue ray, basically it's the way the information is stored on the disc by lasers. At the time they came out there were two competing formats + and - and so when people bought dvd burners back then they had to choose which one to buy a + burner or a - burner, today they have burners which will burn both formats so it's not such a big issue. I can only hope that they'll do the same with hdd and blueray discs and create a dual format burner as they couldn't do the decent thing and just co-operate as they are too greedy and always want a bigger piece of the action.
Cheaper discs will most likely have a lower grade material than the more expensive types, not always the case I know, because you can get some cheap discs that work well, but they are harder to find and could end up costing you more in the long run as you'll probably get quite a few coasters with the cheaper ones. Some people have used cheaper discs and got the game to work on the ps2, but then 6 months on the game stops working or something. It's up to you really, but a good quality disc is more likely to last longer I think. Ritek discs are the best I've found which are a mix between being cheap and good burns.
I would burn at 4x, as it will be faster... for 3 gb's, probably around 8-10 mins I think. Most of the time I burn at 8x, but I know how my computer works and what it will do etc.
Don't forget that before you burn, check to see if the game needs a rebuild or anything first by using the search bar, this could save you a lot of wasted time and discs.
hope that's helped you a bit, good luck
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1. October 2005 @ 13:07 |
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Needs a rebuild? there is more work to do? -_-" I dont know what rebuild is, I'll search around, I hope it's not a long process...
EDIT: I didn't find anything special on rebuilds or something, got some useful info?
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1. October 2005 @ 13:34 |
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What game is it you're trying to backup? do a search for that game first to see if anyone's mentioned if it needs a rebuild.
Most games do NOT need to be rebuilt. If your game needs a rebuild then I'll make a guide for you to use. Might be a bit difficult if you're using a friends computer though, you need lots of gb's free on your hard drive to do a rebuild.
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2. October 2005 @ 23:36 |
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I'm backing up Dynasty Warriors 5, The Nightmare Before Christmas and Kingdom Hearts (All PAL games)
Also another question:
Can you guys compile a top 5 of DVD-R brands used?
Or at least a list with DVD's that are known to work..
Where I live Verbatim DVD-R are 1,20 euro a piece! >=(
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2. October 2005 @ 23:48 |
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Sorry, don't have any of the games you mentioned, so can't help you there. do a search for those games though and see if they need rebuilding or just a copy using decrypter.
Dvd's that I know to work are also in my sig... that's with my NEC burner though, different burners are sometimes funny about what types of dye they burn.
ritek g04 or g05 (sometimes branded as verbatim or other brands too)
Taiyo yuden (never used them myself as they are very hard to get and expensive where I live)
Ritek cmc dye (ridisc brand)
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3. October 2005 @ 03:31 |
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Burn speeds and media are almost entirely burner-specific, as are plus/minus formats -- for instance, DVD+Rs seem to produce fewer PI/PIF errors on average than DVD-Rs on the NEC 3540a. Basically, media performance is a lot like computer benchmarks; they'll vary depending on burner and even depending on setup from case to case. So you should test, if you can, which media and burning speeds work best with your particular burner.
Personally, I like to burn at 4x with Alcohol 120% using my NEC-3520a with Ridata DVD+Rs (R03/RICHOHJPN01). I've also recently used Ritek DVD-Rs (G04) without a hitch. Ahead Nero Burning ROM at 16x with Verbatim CD-Rs for CD games.
Generally speaking, when it comes to DVD-R/+Rs, people prefer Taiyo Yuden/Fujifilms and Verbatims, as these are first-class media. Ridatas also tend to be very good, though they are considered a tier below -- they are also usually less expensive, however, so people use them as a cheaper alternative. CMC Magnetics are not considered good at all, but some people have fine burns with them regardless; again, it all depends on your burner. TDKs are usually great as well, but some of them are rebranded CMC Magnetics discs. Aside from slight performance differences depending on your burner model, +/- should not matter too much if you have a later model (v7+) PS2. Some people say it matters on a case-to-case basis depending on your console, but I feel this is more likely a burner issue.
Regarding PAL/NTSC: Just get the version which matches your TV. Sure, you can patch them or change the video mode, but it is a hassle which is not worth it, imho. It's quite likely you'll end up missing a chunk of your screen image and need to end up applying y-fixes (and wasting more media).
Regarding rebuilding: A very few (emphasis on "few" relative to the thousands of games out there) games may not work outright with the Swap Magic discs due to the manufacturer of the Swap Magic disks being lame and not addressing an easily correctable issue regarding the size of games (most likely in order to save costs). These games need to be rebuilt or patched or need loaders in addition to the Swap Magic to run.
To the best of my knowledge, these are the so-called problem games:
Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance (DVDloader)
Bloodrayne 2 (rebuild)
Champions: Return to Arms (DVDloader)
FIFA 2006 (rebuild)
FIFA Street (patch)
Mercenaries (rebuild)
NBA Street vol. 3 (rebuild)
Shadow of Rome (patch)
Splinter Cell 2 (zoneloader)
The Rumble Fish (rebuild)
Terminator 3 (rebuild)
Total Overdose (rebuild)
UEFA Champions League (rebuild)
I may be missing a few games I've never heard of, but everything else (barring cheat programs like Action Replay/Gamesharks) works fine with straight up boots. That said, a lot of people tend to rebuild working games anyway because they cannot otherwise get them to read with their PS2s -- this is most likely a result of poor burns due to media/burning speed, or even weak PS2 lasers.
The thread on patching and rebuilding is stickied at the top of this forum for easy reference.
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3. October 2005 @ 03:49 |
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Yep, as I think I said before, It's mostly a matter of what works for you and your burner/computer specs.
Before, I would never have tried cmc dye discs personally, but thought I'd give them a go as even if they didn't work for ps2 games I could use them for dvd movies backups... anyway, my usual ritek g05 discs weren't in stock at the place I usually get discs from (and they still haven't got them) so gave them a try, and they work great for me.. have backed up around 20 or so games with the cmc dye discs and have had no errors or playback issues... and the best thing of all, they are still made by ritek and cost £9 for 50. Also these are great for movies, have backed up around 120 movies with these.
@pretense - what ver swap magic are you running?
Baldur's gate:dark alliance 1+2 work fine for me with a normal boot from sm3.6
Same with splinter cell:pandora tomorrow
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3. October 2005 @ 04:38 |
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Sum1 told me before DVD+R creates bad PS2 video quality, but yet you guys use it, whats up with that?
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3. October 2005 @ 06:00 |
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Personally, I use DVD-R as my ps2 prefers that and I get no glitches etc... but some people prefer +r, mostly on the newer ps2 versions I think.
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3. October 2005 @ 08:11 |
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I have a V9 PS2. All I want to know is what is better, what are the downs and ups of - and + I need good quality...
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3. October 2005 @ 09:31 |
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All we can give you is an opinion on what works best for us. For you it will be different as you have different hardware to backup your ps2 games.
All you can do is try something and see if it works for you... the same as we did when we started backing up ps2 games. Use the information you have been given as a guide and if you still have problems, then post another thread asking for help and we'll try and help you.
If you require help in the future be as precise as you can about what the problem is and what you've used to try and make a backup copy.
eg. You're using a v9 ps2 with fliptop and swapmagic 3.6. trying to backup dynasty warriors 5 onto verbatim DVD-R at 4x... then say what the problem is.. eg. game boots but freezes during playback - please help.
My suggestion as I said before would be to use a good quality 8x media such as the ones people have given you on here, and burn the image with Nero or DVD Decrypter at 4x
good luck
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3. October 2005 @ 09:38 |
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Alright, I'll try my luck with Maxell or TDK, theyre the only decent brands for sale, oy yeah and Memorex but those are 1,20 a piece =/ I'll try cheap DVD+R's first from TDK or Maxell I guess (unless any1 has bad experience with it..)
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6. October 2005 @ 03:27 |
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I finally have some specs about what I'm gonna be using fo my burns
LITE-ON DVD+RW SOHW-802S
It only burns DVD+R so I think I'll pick TDK DVD+R... is this DVD Writer booktypable?
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6. October 2005 @ 03:40 |
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why buy a burner that can only do +R when most
of the burners out there can do both.
I bought my Sony DRU-700A a few years ago, it can burn
pretty much anything.
+R, -R, +RW, CD-R, +RW DL,
don't limit yourself because if your PS2 just has a big
problem reading +R media, as some do, then you are stuck.
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6. October 2005 @ 07:22 |
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Dude, I dont own a burner I burn at friends house, he has this Lite-On burner for DVD+R only, not me
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