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13. October 2005 @ 10:43 |
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I have no problem with Ritek or Ricohjpn produced Memorex discs. Both are fine manufacturers of optical media. What I have a problem with is that sometimes when you depend on a particular brand, they slip in CMC Mag ProData and Philips manufactured media which, at least in my humble opinion, is total landfill material! I can understand why you're a Ritek fan (very low coaster rate) and I've had good success with them, also. The Memorex that I bought that were made by Ricoh were rare (at least here in Indiana) as most Memorex that I've seen here is CMC which I will not waste my time and money on.
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13. October 2005 @ 10:46 |
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@DvDeviant - as with any replies i've made to you, i have been constructive (and factual), so pls just answer this for me in return. Are you saying i'm a liar, am a sheep, am on this bandwagon you speak of, or inexperienced, or combinations of those. Just so i know in case i wanted to go and edit the 1000s of logfile posts i've helped on where bad media was a contributing factor.
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Media code/Manufacturer ID RITEK R03
no wonder your media is working for you then.........
if this is what you say you use and have used often..
but......... do you happen to burn on the CMC MAG media??
just a question.
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13. October 2005 @ 13:52 |
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Another memorex lover, UGHH!
DvdDeviant:
Any other codes off your memorex besides ritek-R03? Perhaps you got some memosux cmags stashed away on your video racks?
How much you pay for them?
What do those +8x spindles look like? Quantity,color,do they say Is it live or is it Memorex?
You got lucky with the ritek-r03,those have a very good MID code.
BTW, I can get the Office Depot Brand +8x media for under 25 cents each when on sale. These are Ritek-R03,guaranteed.
I've got a buddy who bought me a 30 pack spindle of +8x memosux from wally world and they coded as:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:CMC MAG-E01-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG]
Media Type ID : [E01]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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He paid about $15.00 for them,what a ripoff! He could have went accross the street to staples and picked up a 30 pack of fuji taiyo yudens for $9.00
I have no trouble with cmags personally,but some of my friends and family dvd players and ps2s do have trouble with the cmags! My benqs will burn anything in the plus format,at well over 99% success rate and playback rate.
Good running pc,quality burners,but unfortunantly not everyone achieves my success rate.Not many peeps can get those cmags to work.Not many peeps can play their backups in 50 stand alones and pc drives.That's why I do not recommend memorex to anyone.Unless you know what the MID code is on them before you buy them,be cautious.
Look at all the many Nero logs that creaky and I look at every day and see the media as cmags.Not burning,throwing dma into pio mode are just a sample of what they can do on lower quality burners.
My new HP pc that myself and my dad bought a couple months ago: It came with no windows OS bootdiscs.Me and my dad had to make our own bootdiscs.We only had 1 shot,and no extra copies could be made.We had 3 choices:
10 cds
2 dvds
1 DL dvd
These dvds are going to be some of the most important stuff I have put on dvd,Did I use memorex to backup my own and dad's HP pcs? Not,I used the best media I had,Yuden000-T02. I feel better because I even replaced that HP lightscribe 640c with my benq,just because of the quality of my backups and I wanted my OS backups to be as error free as possible!
Now what happens when some newb buys memorex to backup his/her own OS and they get a hold of those notorious cmags?
When it comes time to reformat their pc,they're probably going to have to purchase the full version of windows because theirs cmag backups may not work!
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13. October 2005 @ 23:10 |
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@DvDeviant - while it's on my mind here's an example of ALL logfile posts i help out on - CMC media is mentioned there, albeit CD media. However my point is still relevant - i've attacked all the problems in the logfile and given a fair summary re the problem(s) - the media is mentioned but you'll note i've suggested correcting all required things, THEN suggested trying new media if the other changes don't resolve the problem - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/243780
And to wrap up my problems with companies such as Memorex, here's an example of what Imation have to offer (i dunno why i've gone to the effort of writing this, i'm sure i did this for of your other replies, but this is worth it as it's informative and helpful for others). this is the same difference with companies such as Menmorex.
here's an example of what you can get with the lower speed Imations -
Imation DVD+R 2.4x (RICOHJPNR00)
Imation DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG.F01)
Imation DVD+R 4x (RICOHJPNR01)
Imation DVD+RW 2.4x (CMC MAG.W01)
Imation DVD+RW 2.4x (RICOHJPNW01)
Imation DVD+RW 4x (RICOHJPNW11)
Imation DVD-R 1x (RITEKG03....)
Imation DVD-RW 1x (OPTODISCK001)
see especially this bit -
Imation DVD+R 4x (CMC MAG.F01)
Imation DVD+R 4x (RICOHJPNR01)
- with those 4x +R you would either get very good (Ricoh Japan) or atrocious (CMC).
the higher speed discs are the same as to differing quality manufacturers. in fact just did a quick check -
for the 8x discs -
DVD-R 4.7GB CMC MAG. AE1
DVD-R 4.7GB FUJIFILM03..
DVD-R 4.7GB ProdiscS04
- only Fuji are the decent ones there, 2 out of those 3 are subpar
DVD+R 4.7GB CMC MAG.E01
DVD+R 4.7GB MBIPG101R04
DVD+R 4.7GB PRODISC.R03
DVD+R 4.7GB RICOHJPNR02
- only Ricoh are the decent ones there, 3 out of those 4 are subpar
- My point (as always) with companies such as Imation, is they use widely differing quality in disc manufacturer, by just picking up a pack of discs of a particular speed/format, ie 8x +R you have a 1 in 4 chance of getting decent media, the other 3 are bad, but you most likely won't be able to tell just by looking at the packaging of the discs. A little research along with experience is always helpful to those that wish to learn a little and avoid problems. That's all this and similar replies by people such as myself, are for..
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13. October 2005 @ 23:56 |
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And alkohol...thats a shame that your experience with memorex didnt work out...really. You ever think to blame anything else BUT the media? Your writer perhaps? I bet you'd come back at me saying what top-of-the-line high dollar dvd writer you've got, right? lol. I bought my writer(liteon) from WalMart, dude...cheap too. I use Memorex. Been burning successfull dvd's for over 3 yrs and none of them have given any playback problems. So, whats the deal? Oh, its gotta be the media. We couldnt look like an ass and admit that all the money spent on our dvd writer was wasted b/c it doesnt perform well using various media. FYI, I've used at least 5 diff brands of dvdr media with my writer...all successful. I think you guys are barking up the wrong tree. Either you didnt know what you were doing when you tried memorex(you were probably all noobs at the time, and thru your "noobism" wasted your memorex by making "noobish" errors.)Then you heard everyone suggesting another media, got your sh*t together, and learned how to burn a few dvd's. Either you didnt know what you were doing...or your writers, that I always hear you all speak so proudly of, are sh*tboxes. You should admit it, but I know you never will. You're sheep, and you have to follow the flock. Later.
DVDeviant,
Look, I don't want to initiate a battle in here, so I'll just go the easy way around. We're all here to help newcomers and learn from what we lack of knowledge.
I understand where you're coming from - you have your own choice of media, and I have mine, coming from my own perspective. I totally comprehend your statements and I respect that, which is of course your opinion. However, you've just lost in this argument hysterically by starts calling me names that you're not acknowledging of. In addition, you DON'T have the right to call me "noob" and "ass" when you DON'T even know jack about me whatsoever.
No, it is not a shame that my short experiences with MEMOSUX didn't work out. It is a SHAME that MEMOSUX had crap manufacture such as CMC MAG and uses CHEAP ass dye on their junk media. Calling me "noob" and "ass" doesn't change the fact that Memosux is CRAP or should I call it "SUCKS."
The last time I checked Pioneer and Sony are good burners; at least I've never made any "coasters" using HIGH QUALITY media such as Taiyo Yuden, Verbatim, Maxell and Fuji. Oh I forgot to say this, but for your information, I bought my Pioneer DVD-RW DVR104 and SONY DRU 710A when they first launched on the market. And of course my DRU 710A is in fact a Lite-On SOHW-1633S.
Now let's get real and have a look at these tests results.
Here is MEMOSUX aka CMC MAG
Here is the famous Taiyo Yuden
Here is the top notch Verbatim
And here is the High Grade media from MAXELL
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14. October 2005 @ 01:12 |
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LOL, the PROOF is in the puddin'~ :)
dang, look at those CMC MAG scans...$hiet~, quality score of ZERO (0) not good at all~ while all the other 3 medias that everyone else here professes as being "good quality media" get a score of 93...hmmm...i'll take a quality score of 93 ANYDAY over that of 0 (zero)~ LOL
the facts are there...i'm not going to argue this any further either, but the "regular" members here ALL agree that we can't make a "blanket statement" saying ALL Memorex media suck, as per your MID coding dvdeviant, you got the GOOD ONES under the Memorex brand, i can't dispute you in saying that Ritek sucks, because the FACT IS, Ritek does NOT SUCK, it's very good quality media...
so, let's end this discussion and your defense of "Memorex" media...you got the Ritek manufacturered ones and i AGREE with you that these are very good, BUT, IF you want to argue that the CMC MAG produced Memorex media are good, then we can continue till the cows come home...
i think the other members here should try to be a little more specific when we comment about Memorex, we all tend to overgeneralize at times when we hear about Memorex because MANY of us HAVE had very horrible experiences/results using them...i know I have personally, so...
i think it would be a good idea to just simply state, " CMC MAG manufactured discs SUCK, regardless of which "brand" it's sold under"
now if anyone wants to argue the statement i just made above...feel free to, there is SO MUCH evidence from MANY MANY users, including myself, to back up our "horror stories" of CMC MAG produced discs (ie. the coasters, the failure rates, the errors, the quick degrading of the dye, etc)...i will be MORE specific as to how i speak of Memorex in the future, BUT, i will continue to say "CMC MAG SUCKS" till the day i die~ :)
it's one thing to be a staunch supporter for a particular BRAND of dvd blank media, it's a COMPLETELY different thing to be a supporter of a BAD/POOR QUALITY DVD MANUFACTURING company~ 2 separate entities, not to be confused with each other...
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15. October 2005 @ 00:09 |
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creaky, I'm not disputing the fact that you have helped lots of people here. I dont understand why you feel the need to prove that to me. When I usually reply to a thread like this, its b/c of memebers such as asskohol, that make the simple statement "Memorex sux" I dont usually see you take the approach, creaky, and my initial posts are not directed at you as much as others that have that poor attitude. However, you always seem to be the one to answer back to me first.
kivory666 pretty much summed everything up, I guess. My Memorex discs are good, which is why I defend them. Specifying which Memorex discs(CMC) are bad is the right way to go, as he suggested.
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15. October 2005 @ 01:13 |
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@ dvdeviant
:) just wanted all this bickering and arguing to END, that is all~
as i stated earlier, i AGREE with you 100% dvdeviant in that YOUR particular batch of Ritek manufactured Memorex branded media is good, whether you call it "luck" or whatever else in purchasing THOSE particular ones, that is it. it's just the CMC MAGs (which is prevalent on a LOT of Memorex branded media) that i will argue are NOTORIOUSLY/horribly bad and DO IN FACT, SUCK~
but, there is NO reason to "call someone out" dvdeviant, alkohol did NOT have a "poor attitude" in his most recent reply~ he basically scanned and posted up FACTS with supporting evidence to the HORRIBLE quality of the CMC MAGs that i ALWAYS speak so lowly of~
whether it is "implied" or "taken literally" when people say "Memorex sucks", do not take it so personally dvdeviant...yes, i admit we ALL overgeneralize now and then, i am guilty of this too; but when posts are made to CLARIFY and reiterate what was REALLY intended in the first place, there is NO reason to open up another can of worms to attack a person/member in particular.
you have to understand that MANY MANY members here on AfterDawn are not ALL adults yet~, there are MANY kids here that just post and repeat what others have said in the past, just so they can feel good about being a part of our community here @ AfterDawn~ i know for a fact that a LOT of the newer/more recently promoted "senior members" here are KIDS, you can tell right away by the way they write on here, how they articulate their views, and by the sometimes "childish" comments they have~ :) they are KIDS, they don't know any better~! while i find it annoying just like the next person, there is nothing we can do about it~ kids will be kids and adults SHOULD act like adults~
anyways, alkohol is a friend of mine on here, so i took that comment of yours in a bad way, he is experienced in dvd burning and DOES in FACT know the difference between poor/bad quality media and good quality media; whether he "overgeneralized" about the whole "Memorex sucks" statement or not, WE ALL have~ just don't take it so personally and we will all get along just fine~
good day to you dvdeviant, no hard feelings, i am asking a mod. to close this thread when i end this last sentence.......
docTY~
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15. October 2005 @ 01:30 |
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and as a final comment from me, if i myself ever over-generalize on the odd thread, it's purely and simply down to the sheer amount of threads about troublesome media; it takes a lot of time and effort to endlessly reply/comment/advise on threads, especially the media ones, hence we might not always specifiy exactly which flavour of Memorex is bad, for instance. However the big companies are mainly to blame for using such low quality manufacturers 'in the mix' with good stuff, hence why so many have so many problems. However a little research from anyone would show that there's an immense amount of help here, so it's all about the research.
The reason i sometimes 'go to town' on threads such as this is because any site/thread such as this can be found from a simple google search and it's important to have a balanced view on everything. Companies who use such differing quality in media and thus cause so many problems/wasted money need to be written about. hopefully if even a few ppl end up here from a simple google search will go away being more careful what they buy, even better if they stick around and think 'hey they is more to this media lark after all, maybe i'll learn more about it myself and help others'.
And to finish off, i, like probably most ppl would rather none of us had to even discuss/care about media, we should all be able to just buy something that works. Period. Just imagine the uproar if 'pressed' dvd's that we buy in the shops had the same problem.
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i have never had success with memorex and i guess i'll have to change the taiyo yuden brand as they are as useless but not for the reason you guys think.It seems that the australian market of said taiyo yuden discs are all fake.I have the coasters to prove it.Until this is fixed up i think its back to the princo's and ritek's.
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15. October 2005 @ 05:33 |
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No complaints from me on the ritek media. Very good quality and perform identically to my yudens!
I do get those Ritek-R03 on the Office depot brand media +8x for 25-28 cents apiece when on sale.They had a huge sale 2 weeks ago,buy 1 spindle of 50 for under $38,but get 2 more spindles for free! Unfortunantly staples had the fuji tys for 30 cents apiece so I blew my wad there,LOL
DVDeviant: How much you pay for the memorex riteks?
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15. October 2005 @ 05:54 |
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Futureshop.ca has a wicked deal on Fujifilm 8x's 100 pack, 32.99 for em :) worth the check out
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15. October 2005 @ 06:12 |
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I've started using memorex ( 8x )when verbatim went out of stock in my town and was never sorry.Burned already few hundred ( heavy bittorent user )and no coaster so far.My burner is NEC 3540A,software is in most cases Nero or Decrypter.
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15. October 2005 @ 06:16 |
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@rudolfo2 - exactly what Memorex are those ?
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15. October 2005 @ 06:44 |
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I believe the point is this:
When you say Memorex as a media you are actually talking about several different media manufacturers other then Memorex. Since you can never know which one you will get, more bad then good, why take that chance?
One can always get lucky with their media purchase and then again odds are more then likely the other way around. If you play BlackJack would you take a hit when you have two tens showing? Odds are that if you play with one deck, you have 4 chances out of that deck to make 21, but would you?
There is more to the burn then just the burn results today. Media over time will cause problems if the die used or manufacturing process isn't top notch. So even if you have a good burn today, it might not be that way down the road.
So I believe that most would say, since the monies are near the same for quality consistent media or a lower brand that one never knows what it will be until purchased, why bother with the lower brand?
On a final note, even ones burner also has a sweet spot for one type of media over another. As I posted in a different thread before, newer burners were shown with their BEST burn and the media used to get that burn and the speed used as well. Keep this in mind also if you really want the Maximum out of your burner. Here is that link below:
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=1...
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closed by request, damn cant you girls get along for 1 single day!!! i gotta get some sleep sooner or later, you're really getting in on my nap time. dont make me send the mrs. in here!
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