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For those that print on inkjet printables with r200 or similar
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nick2004
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14. October 2005 @ 23:41 |
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I have an epson R200 and am geting a bit frustrated with trying to get the discs waterproof, i wait about 15 - 30 minutes and then spray with krylon crystal clear. Im not sure if i have the right crystal clear spray though after reading the r200 thread. This is what mine looks like http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/hometheaterlvr/krylon.jpg it takes forever to dry, 12 minutes between coats and an hour to completly dry. Ive tryed puting on 2 - 3 thin coats or 2 thick coats but after drying the ink still comes off the disc. I wish i could get it to work right but it seems like im never going to. What spray do you guys use and do you think i have the wrong kind? Also whats the best thing to set/put the disc in to spray? Ive tryed my jewel cases but the spray gets underneath and the same with just setting it on a paper, Tryed setting it on syran wrap but if you fog the disc up you can see where the saran wrap stuck to it and im not sure if that will ruin the disc? Thanks alot for any help
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15. October 2005 @ 04:21 |
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I don't mean to come across as jumping on someone, but why do your discs need to be waterproofed? Are you trying to watch movies in the swimming pool? I keep seeing threads about the ink smearing. How do they get wet, other than wetting your finger, and TRYING to make them smear? I just don't understand...........
I'd worry more about the water being near the electronic equipment, than being near the discs.
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Needakip
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15. October 2005 @ 04:32 |
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You should use printable disks.
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nick2004
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15. October 2005 @ 10:48 |
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They don't even half to get wet to smear JVC, Thats the thing. They smear just by touching them not even with a wet finger or even if you have just a little swet on your hands otherwise i wouldnt worry about it. Thats the big problem with inkjet printable cds/dvds if you do a search on it on google. Im using taiyo yuden white hub printable discs.
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15. October 2005 @ 11:00 |
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Check out this thread:
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/231895
I've considered trying it,just not sure of using it.
I just printed my disc cover of Kicking and Screaming,and it is dry to the bone 30 mins after I printed it. It does not smear with my dry fingers!
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gear79
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15. October 2005 @ 14:43 |
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saugmon, but does it smear after ya got your thumb down a trouts mouth and then touch the disc? ;)
one day i will join the ranks and buy me a printer that does my labeling for me, till then, i stick to my trusty sharpie !!
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nick2004
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15. October 2005 @ 15:21 |
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Wait till you accidently touch it with sweaty hands though saugmon, Not worth the risk but it depends on if you want to risk your prints being ruined. I personaly am not going to burn a couple hundred discs and then have them smear if i accidently hit them with my fingers or loan them to someone thats not that carefull with them.
I ran across a thread over at videohelp that had a post from a guy that uses plasti-dip which leaves a rubber type clear coating thats waterproof and heat resistant that he says turns out better then the acrylic sprays and drys in only 10 minutes. Only drawback is its not gloss but i can live with a matte finish. This is the stuff http://www.plastidip.com/consumer/products.html
And heres what was said in the post
I too have tried many, many different brands of glossy coat and NONE have been satisfactory. I will try this one just to see how much trouble it is to get a glossy finish.
The only product that I've been satisfied with is the Plasti-Dip clear. It's a multi-purpose rubber coating for waterproofing paper maps, etc. and it also has a non slip surface. It's made by Performix (plastidip.com) and does a great job of putting a non-slip, rubber coating on the labels without any runs, drips, etc. One coat is all that's needed and it dries in about 10 minutes at most without lifting the paper labels. When you want good protection but don't want to have to setup some elaborate spray booth to spray three or four coats of clear, you might want to try this out. Personally, I prefer the look of this coating to the glossy and it's quick, easy and fool proof.
The way I've found to coat my discs without getting any on the burned side is simple and easy. I've coated over 270 so far and have never had a problem.
I us a 25 disc cake box, put a rubber band around the shaft about 1/2 of an inch from the end of the spindle. I then place a coaster-disc on the shaft, resting on the rubber band to hold it up. I then place the disc I want to coat on top of the coaster and place the cake box on a table or ground. Spraying straight down with the Plasti-dip, (it only takes a small amount of this stuff and only one coat is necessary), it has never failed me. Keeping it up at the end of the shaft with the coaster as a shield, there has never been any blow-back on the burned side of the disk. I can take the coated disk off immediately or just cover it with the cakebox lid to protect it until I'm ready to use it. Every other method I've tried would either be too involved or get some coating on the disc and ruin it. So far, so good with what I've been using and doing.
Something new to try....
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15. October 2005 @ 15:56 |
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LOL! I'd still be skeptical with that plastidip. What about heat build up leading to playback issues? It's awesome for tools!
Gear79, that would be saugeye slime, LOL
How about Valspar?
It's a very hard polyurethane. It's what they use on wooden lanes at bowling alleys!Takes a long time to dry.
Or Deft? It's a laquer/acetone based finish,dries in under a half hour and smells great. You can get a buzz while you coat your dvds!
I've got powder coat paint for my lead head jigs. Just heat up the lead head,dip it in the power and whala, A very nice painted/hard coated jig! The heat may damage my disc? I've also got the vinyl coated paint for them,but they dry very slow and have a soft coating.
I'm not making fun of anybody.Just messing around.
Playback is critical with me.I have no cable,no antenna.All I have is my dvds and few vhs tapes to watch!
Good luck nick2004 on that venture!
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nick2004
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15. October 2005 @ 16:06 |
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I thought of that also but it insulates heat amoung other things. On the website it says:
Flexible: Won't Crack, Chip, or become brittle
Insulates: Electrical shock, Vibration, Heat, Deadens sound
Durable: Resists weather, Chemicals, Impact, And abrasion
Sounds like the perfect thing to use.
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flx2000
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15. October 2005 @ 16:19 |
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i use the spray sometimes, here is what i do:
put your printed disc on a spindle with one of those clear disc that
come with them underneat the disc.
then i spray the disc holding the can a good range away
do not spray heavily, use the technique painters use spray while moving the can back and forth. you do not have to put on a heavy coat
just spray it lightly but evenly to get a good finish.
practice makes perfect. also when it's on the spindle make sure it's not all the at the bottom use those thick plastic rings to build it up. worked for me every time with no probs.
the spray only gets underneat when you spray from the side, spray directly from above.
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nick2004
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15. October 2005 @ 16:24 |
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Thanks for the reply flx2000, What kind of spray do you use and how long does it take to dry? Thanks
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15. October 2005 @ 18:01 |
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I use Patricia Nimock's from Wal-Mart's Arts & Crafts department with the clear disc from the spindle protecting the underside of my discs while I spray. No problems at all, and one can does well over a hundred discs! Cost around $5 a can. I use the glossy with one light coat sprayed side to side and up and down (bout 2-3 seconds total spraying time)... I leave the discs to dry overnight usually (about 6 hours), so, I don't know how long it actually takes to dry.
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15. October 2005 @ 19:26 |
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I have the R300 and I used Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD+R Silver Inkjet Printable disc and I've never ran into something like this.
I don't know about you or anyone, but I try to avoid touching my backups almost 100% when my fingers/hands is wet. Hopefully, you'll solve the problem in due time.
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nick2004
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15. October 2005 @ 21:10 |
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Thanks for the input guys, I probably wouldn't worry about it but my little brothers (ages 11 - 12 use my dvds and also my mother and there not carefull with them at all, Throw them in there ps2 and all that so i half to make sure its not going to smear on me. I will try that patricia nomocks if the plasti-dip doesn't work out. I have the plasti-dip on order and is supposed to get to the store by wednesday so i will report back on how it works after my testing.
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16. October 2005 @ 07:02 |
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Do a disc quality scan before and after coating to see if there are any adverse effects... I just wonder if the Plasti-Dip coating's extra weight, although minute, will affect the "balance" of the disc (don't know how "thick" the coating will actually be)...
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nick2004
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16. October 2005 @ 08:50 |
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How do i run a disc quality scan?
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16. October 2005 @ 14:34 |
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To veriy the quality of your discs, if you have Nero then do the steps below:
-open up Nero StartSmart
-click on Nero Toolkit
-click on Nero CD-DVD Speed
-now insert an already backed up disc inside your burner or dvd-rom drive
-click on Disc Quality
-choose 4X or 8X for speeds
-now "uncheck" Quick Scan
-hit Start on the top and wait until it's completed.
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nick2004
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16. October 2005 @ 14:57 |
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Thanks alkohol, I'll do that and let you guys know wednesday or sooner so be sure to check back.
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movies27
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16. October 2005 @ 15:15 |
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i have the r200 & my discs usually dry in like 3-5min.
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kenneth1
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16. October 2005 @ 18:38 |
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All that I use is usually TY white inkjet printable from rima and have never had that problem, mine are dry in 3-5 mintues. I dont know why people need to spray them, they are just fine if you handle them carefully, and i handle mine quite a bit
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nick2004
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16. October 2005 @ 18:58 |
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Inkjet ink is waterbased, They WILL smudge if you have any moisture on your hands at all.
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nick2004
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16. October 2005 @ 19:29 |
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Nevermind on the Plasti-Dip, Just got an email back from the guy in that thread and he said with the newer printable dvds the coating comes off after a while. Man am i glad i emailed him.
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poolpro
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16. October 2005 @ 19:44 |
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Hey Nick, I use Maxell DVD-R'S that are Inkjet printable and they seem to dry pretty fast with no smudging.I also use the same Epson printer that you have (R200) andhave had no problems with smudges. You might want to give those a try.
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flx2000
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19. October 2005 @ 16:42 |
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i use krylon crystal clear
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flx2000
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19. October 2005 @ 16:44 |
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by the way i use ritek inkjet printables with my r200 and it is dry as soon as it comes out. i only spray my disc when i do wedding video's or special occassions for that wow effect.
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