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ozzymary
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16. October 2005 @ 18:20 |
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what is the differnce between a dvd+r and dvd-r disk????????
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16. October 2005 @ 18:46 |
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mainly compatibility..... some standalone player will only play DVD-R and some will only play dvd+r's.... www.videohelp.com has a list of what players are compatible with what media.
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ozzymary
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16. October 2005 @ 18:48 |
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you mean some dvd players will play one but not the other i am using DVD-R now but i have just bought some dvd+rs.
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17. October 2005 @ 04:53 |
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The main difference between the plus and dash is compatability.This compatability really shows up on stand alone players/game consoles/and other pc drives.Some of the older DVD-RW drives only record in plus or dash only.Newer DVD-RW drives are dual format,so you have a lot more flexibility to finding the format your players prefer.
Compatabilty on Dvd burners: The DVD-RW drive that burned those backups,should be able to play those backups. After the burn,those backups are usually going to be played in tv dvd players/x-box/ps2/and maybe friends/family pcs and stand alones.
Those stand alones/game consoles/and other pc drives may be able to play dash/plus/both/or even none. Some of them are sensitive to poor quality media.They can also have trouble with certain burners backups,where as they play someone elses backups using the exact same brand name and MID code of media.Lots of variations between all those lasers.Some are weeker readers than others,meaning they are picky.
The most important difference between both formats: Bitsetting!
This bitsetting is called booktyping. Some burners are capable of booktyping the dvd plus format and turn them into dvd-roms,making them more compatable in in more dvd drives.This booktyping fools those players into thinking those backups are actual dvd-roms.
What is your burner brand name and model#?
What are the MID codes of your blank DVD-R and DVD+R?
Use this free handy tool to find that info and post back!
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd-r_tools/dvd_...
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17. October 2005 @ 06:17 |
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@saugmon
So then DVD-R cannot be bitset to dvd-rom?
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17. October 2005 @ 14:34 |
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Nope, only the plus format,and on certain dvvd-rw drives like Benq/Lite-on/LG/Plextor/Nutech/Ricoh are some brands that may offer booktying on certain models. Certain brands like sony which some of them are rebadged liteys will booktype.
Pioneer and NEC have to have special,Hacked firmware to achieve booktyping.
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Discmania
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17. October 2005 @ 19:13 |
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I have a pioneer and have never used hacked firmware. Also never had any problems producing a DVD-ROM with a DVD-R.
The main difference between the two disc types is money. The DVD+R was developed by Philips and Sony to capture a large slice of the market for themselves. Their burners and players would only accept +R/RW discs. Today nearly all players and burners will accept either, meaning Philips and Sony have finished ripping us all off cos the basic premise is there is no difference between the discs bar some specific coding.
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18. October 2005 @ 05:03 |
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Quote:
Today nearly all players and burners will accept either
NOT!
Out of at least 40+ stand alones/pc drives/and 5 ps2's out of that batch,only 1 old ps2 won't play either of my plus format,booktyped to dvd-rom backups! That's why I ditched the dash format.The dash format totally sucked on the backups that came off both my benq 1620s.
The dash backups from my benqs only play on half those same drives!They would not recognize those backups. Nearly and half isn't even close!
I've got 3 other pc DVD-RW drives and a tv recorder. My stand alones and pc drives can tell which format of which burner that they will recognize. All those burners vary.
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Discmania
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18. October 2005 @ 05:35 |
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Standalones are not meant to play DVD-Rom.s. They are designed to play video.
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18. October 2005 @ 16:06 |
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??? Bitsetting for dash format? I didn't think it was feasable to come up with that technology while the plus format can already handle it.
Stand alones play video? WTF!
Here's the info on my booktyped plus format backup according to dvdidentifier,so my stand alones shouldn't be able to play these dvd-roms?:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD-ROM]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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My benq automatically booktype, Here's a dash backup that cannot be booktyped:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:TYG01]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [TYG01]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4.71 GB (4.38 GiB)]
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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Discmania
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18. October 2005 @ 17:02 |
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Sorry Saugmon but your posts seem to be for expert people in the professional video business, not ordinary guys at home with their stuff. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by booktype but it doesn't mean two hoots to me. Infact my computer dictionary doesn't even mention it and it's 1000 pages long! All I know is if I want to make a DVD ROM I just get either a + or - disc and use nero to burn one. Same goes for a DVD video. My standalone DVD player plays DVD Video and other formats but not any DVD or CD ROM because that's not what it was designed for and who would want to play a DVD/CD-ROM on a standalone player anyway? They are just DATA discs after all.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 18. October 2005 @ 17:08
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18. October 2005 @ 18:34 |
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I'm not here to argue but rather help get the facts right. You need to add this http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/150 to your computer dictionary. DVD+R is the only format that can be booktyped dvd-rom because the booktype field on the disc is blank and can therefore be written as dvd-rom. With dvd-r's the booktype field is prewritten as DVD-R and therefore can not be over writen or changed.
Some claim to be able to booktype DVD-R to dvd-rom useing a work around but it is not true dvd-rom and doesn't work because it is written to an area on the disc other than the booktype field. There is no such thing as a DVD-R booktyped dvd-rom and the work around has never been proven to work where it has been proven with DVD+R and does work.
The booktype of a new pressed video dvd is dvd-rom. DVD+R booktyped dvd-rom is the most compatable of DVD-R and DVD+R. This is refering to booktype setting and is all togather different than a cd-rom data disc.
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Discmania
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19. October 2005 @ 08:31 |
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That's fine but in practice there's very little difference in the two formats in terms of practical application. Standalone players advertise what they can and can't play so if it don't work take it back. The laymans answer to the original question remains 'very little'.
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19. October 2005 @ 10:34 |
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As I mentioned before check out www.videohelp.com it has a list of what players will work with what media.
I've always used Sony DVD-R and have never had a problem so far on any players.
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