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Q? About ripping.burning quality.
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TOMIMOTO
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23. October 2005 @ 07:34 |
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Alright. I've concluded from people telling me here that the burn speed and crap media will effect the quality of the DVD I'm burning.
But will the speed of ripping the DVD ISO effect the quality as well or does it not really matter since It simply takes the files off the disc?
Also for burning SL's I shouldn't go higher than 4x and burning DL's I shouldn't go higher than 2.4x right?
K, thanks guys.
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23. October 2005 @ 07:45 |
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I think the highest you can go with a DL is 4x but most are 2.4x anyway.......burning speads mean more than ripping speeds because the ripping speed can only go as fast as the disk itself..... the burning speed needs to be adjusted to accomidate the disk for safe data transfer... if it's too fast some disks won't be able to write the data due to poor dye cast! and if it does go onto the disk some dvd players wont' be able to read it cause of the quality of media! This is why it's important to start off with quality media and burn at 4x..... some people found out that their equipment can take 8x but if you go faster than that you might be asking for trouble down the road..... some disks may lose quality over time! So it's a matter of preferance and equipment. Just my 2 cents.
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23. October 2005 @ 08:28 |
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I always burn at 4x just to be on the safe side and have never had a problem with any dvd's all mine are SL's. Every dvd player (Parents, Friends, Mine, etc.) have played them flawless.
But you are correct that lots of errors come from using crap media and burning the disc way to fast.
There's a list of what media will work with what standalones at www.videohelp.com/dvdmedia it might give you some extra information.
as for the copying part, the speed will not effect it, the faster the better =)
I went thru 40 princo discs (crap media) before I found out this information =)
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Whisperer
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23. October 2005 @ 09:32 |
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TOMIMOTO
Your question was actually about ripping speed. Some of the answers above helpfully focused more on burn speed and burn media and were indeed correct suggestions. But ripping speed IS a backup factor worth addressing too.
If your original is in pristine condition, then just rip at maximum speed ... usually. More and more, at AD and other forums, I see the comments that if a brand new original DVD movie results in your backup software giving you an error message then it must be a "manufacturing defect" so go back to the store and demand an exchange of the movie for another copy. I think everyone has gone speed crazy instead of just slowing down their rips. Remember this is 3 to 8 GBs of data that has to be read perfectly to get a perfect backup.
If your originals, as most of the older movies in our collections do, have light flaws or light scratches, a slow rip helps get a better "read" on the original's damaged areas. Flaws reflect at least some percentage of the laser-optic's beam away from the data it needs to read. Just barreling through a read at high speed can cause short moments of pixellation at the correspondingly damaged parts of the movie data when you play back the backup on a standalone player. Many posters just assume pixellation and player freeze-ups are from a bad brand of media choice. Bad media does cause pixellation but is not the only reason for flawed backups. A slower rip speed gives the optics more time to read into the damage. AnyDVD has a feature that lets you set your ripper to "Slow & Easy" performance.
But, if your ripper can't read (you get an error message from your backup software) through a scratch or ding, many AD posters suggest using this or that software which might or might not do a better job of reading damage. I say don't be lazy ... bite the bullet and repair the original with a Digital Innovations "AutoMax" device (no, I don't work for them). It's the only amateur's physical repair ("resurfacing" is acutally the correct term) device on the market that actually works! Never had a damaged disk I could not repair & backup with this cool disk repair machine. After resurfacing, be sure to "finger-wash" the resurfaced disk with a thick, concentrated dishwashing liquid and just a little water moisture, then rub-rinse under running cool water and dry completely with a soft towel (especially around the disk-hub) before placing it in your ripper. Blowing out with compressed air, at an angle, any mosture remaining in the bonded layers at the hub helps totally dry the hub. Then towel those droplets again. Concentrated dishwashing liquid has optical improvement qualities, believe it or not.
The Automax costs $39 plus grinding wheels and felt polishing pads from time to time. Also Alambra "microfiltered, Ionized" type drinking water works just as good as the "resurfacing-solution" that Digital Innovations wants to sell you. Distilled water doesn't work as well as the above filtered drinking water.
And again, the slower the rip, the more accurate the read.
Best regards,
Whisperer
EDIT: just one last note if you are going to go the Automax route. Don't make the mistake of using the device to try to totally remove every sign of a flaw in the original by running it through it's auto cycle more than twice. You don't need to resurface to mint condition. You just need to resurface or smooth the microscopically jagged surface flaws enough to stop the laser optics from deflecting too much. Over doing the resurfacing too much could damage the official manufacturer's data at the inside center section of the hub which your ripper and player needs to read the region code and other data needed by your player to recognize the original.
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TOMIMOTO
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23. October 2005 @ 10:03 |
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Is it possible to have flaws in the rip even if it says it ripped it successfully or will it simply crash if it has any problems?
If it doesn't distort or mess up the file in any way by ripping it fast then I'll keep ripping it fast. I havn't had a disc crash on me yet while ripping at 7-10mbps.
Again thanks for all the help guys. You are great.
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23. October 2005 @ 12:15 |
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@whisperer...... is there settings in DVDDecrypter that you can control the rip speed? If I do rip I use DVDD..... but I know that other programs rip then encode to smaller size for DVD-5 ..... just where are the options to control the rip speed? I thought that rip speed was controlled by how fast the disk can go and your DVD drive itself.
@Tomimoto...... I never had a problem once the DVD was ripped to the HD. Once it's there it can be burned!
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23. October 2005 @ 13:40 |
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is there settings in DVDDecrypter that you can control the rip speed? If I do rip I use DVDD..... but I know that other programs rip then encode to smaller size for DVD-5 ..... just where are the options to control the rip speed? I thought that rip speed was controlled by how fast the disk can go and your DVD drive itself.
@IHoe
Yes... you can control the rip/read speeds via DVD Decrypter. To get to the Settings, follow the steps below:
- Tools
- Settings
- Device, Options, [check or tick] on "Set Read Speed" then you can arrow down to 2X or 4X or whatever you desire.
- click OK and you're done.
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23. October 2005 @ 13:56 |
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seeeee I didn't know that........ this old dog is still learning new trix!!!!hahahahha thanks Alkohol!
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23. October 2005 @ 14:19 |
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seeeee I didn't know that........ this old dog is still learning new trix!!!!hahahahha thanks Alkohol!
You're welcome... and no problem.
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23. October 2005 @ 14:25 |
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but Alkohol..... you didn't answer the question to the thread, here! Should you lower the speed for ripping a DVD or just let it do it's max.......I never had a problem with DVDD and never adjusted the read speed! Should I NOW lower the read speed when I never had a problem before? It was set to MAX.
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23. October 2005 @ 14:49 |
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but Alkohol..... you didn't answer the question to the thread, here! Should you lower the speed for ripping a DVD or just let it do it's max.......I never had a problem with DVDD and never adjusted the read speed! Should I NOW lower the read speed when I never had a problem before? It was set to MAX.
@IHoe
This is according to my understanding and I'm going to speak on behalf of my experiences only. People have their own preferences, judgment and perspectives when it comes to ripping, so I'll simply answer to what works best for me alright.
If the disc/dvd you're ripping is brand new (just open), then you can set the rip/read speeds at anywhere from 6X - 8X (or Max at your own desire reading speeds) without no errors. Or if it (the above) fails to rip a few times, then I'll just try to lower the reading speeds a little. However, I find myself getting a better rate of a successfully ripped to a lower reading speeds like 2X - 4X when the disc/dvd is older (an already backed up dvd), very few minor scratches (not deep), etc.
NOTE: keep in mind that both ripping and burning process are equally critical because you want to have every bits and pieces to be precise as the original. With that being said, if you ripped it way too fast, you're more than likely to get a failure instead of ripping at a slower speed.
Hope this help a little.
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TOMIMOTO
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23. October 2005 @ 14:58 |
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@Alkohol
Is it possible to have a rouined or not so perfect file even though it ripped without a problem?
I've been ripping at MAX and have not had a single DVD fail on me (old scratched up DVDs). Could the file possibly be degraded even though it ripped with what was apparently nothing wrong?
Thanks.
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23. October 2005 @ 15:16 |
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@Alkohol
Is it possible to have a rouined or not so perfect file even though it ripped without a problem?
I've been ripping at MAX and have not had a single DVD fail on me (old scratched up DVDs). Could the file possibly be degraded even though it ripped with what was apparently nothing wrong?
Thanks.
@TOMIMOTO
Now this is a real tough question here. Apparently, I'm not LUK or a computer genius (i.e. dvd ripping/burning software developer or programmer), so I can't give you a correct answer on that one. I think if you truly want to know the right answer then I suggest you ask LUK or someone who created a dvd ripping/burning programs alright.
However, I believe it won't hurt to rip at a slightly lower rate you know. In addition, I think it's more safer and better that way as well. Again, in the end, it all boils down to the individual's preferences and experiences, which is inevitable.
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TOMIMOTO
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23. October 2005 @ 15:39 |
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@Alkohol
Alright cool.
I think I'll step it down a notch. I have time to burn (hahaha, pun intended). What would you recomend for a speed? Also how would I adjust the ripping speed of DVD Decrypter?
I learnt about DVD burning about a week ago and I am still in the trial/error stages. I at first was ripping and burning at MAX and realized that the picture was all pixelated and crappy and my DVD players struggled and made weird sounds reading the discs.
I still rip at MAX but I've been burning at 2.4x on single and dual layers and they look pretty much perfect. They also read and play flawlessly with no weird sounds. Ended up throwing away about 5DLs and 3SLs due to bad pixelated quality that I can't stand for. Why does learning things first hand have to hurt your pocket? hahaha
Thanks for all the help again guys. This place is great.
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23. October 2005 @ 15:58 |
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What would you recomend for a speed? Also how would I adjust the ripping speed of DVD Decrypter?
@TOMIMOTO
As for ripping and reading, anywhere from 4X - 8X is good. For burning, you can go anywhere from 2X - 4X at the best.
You can control the rip/read speeds via DVD Decrypter. To get to the Settings, follow the steps below:
- Tools
- Settings
- Device, Options, [check or tick] on "Set Read Speed" then you can arrow down to 2X or 4X or whatever you desire.
- click OK and you're done.
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TOMIMOTO
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23. October 2005 @ 16:14 |
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@Alkohol
Thanks a lot man. I'll give it a try.
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Whisperer
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23. October 2005 @ 17:18 |
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IHoe
Sorry I didn't answer you but I had to go to bloody work! Seems you got your answer on DVDD though. I went straight from DXC to CloneDVD/AnyDVD and never even looked at DVDD or Shrink which you guys all like so much.
Surprised at how active this thread got over the day! Back to work now.
Best,
Whisperer
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23. October 2005 @ 17:48 |
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You can also use DVD Shrink with deep analysis turned on and AEC on max smootheness.
I hate having a Ferrari only to drive it like a Chevette.
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TOMIMOTO
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23. October 2005 @ 17:54 |
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I'm not planning on using DVD Shrink. I heard it compresses files even if you turn compression off. I only make 1:1 copies. I'm all about quality. The slightest bit of anything being wrong bothers me and I'll usually re-rip/reburn the DVD to make it right.
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Whisperer
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23. October 2005 @ 19:29 |
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TOMIMOTO
I'm with you on quality. I always split an original onto two 4.37GB blanks rather than compress. I think many of the people who say that the quality of a compressed backup is not noticeable really don't have a high quality video playback rig. Compression is always noticeable in the shadow areas on a good home entertainment system. There is a grainy quality because too much data has been thrown away. Pros call it "noise".
I'd rather use DL rather than splitting but the software vendors, media makers, and hardware/firmware manufacturers are not on the same page yet. I'm sure I'm oversimplifying but evidently, from what I'm reading, there has to be at least 32Kb of free space EXACTLY at the layer break of the backup disk or perhaps an instruction at the free space point, so that the standalone player can react to the copy's layer break. Commercial disks are no problem for a player but burned disks freak a player if they are not done correctly. Maybe someone can expand on my limited knowlege of this. I will just tend to wait around until there are few & far between problem posts about dual layer burning before jumping into it. Also waiting for reasonable quality DL media prices.
And I agree with your time to burn joke. Time to rip and Time to burn = quality. I always figured that the people who were in such a hurry to get a backup done FAST, really just had a deadline for returning the DVD original ... if you catch my drift ;-)
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TOMIMOTO
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23. October 2005 @ 19:40 |
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My DLs have been doing really good so far. Well besides the ones I messed up from burning too fast. I'm big into anime and a lot of the stuff fits on SLs. With animation you can notice every little tiny thing wrong with the picture. I havn't tried a real movie yet. I will soon enough.
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