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puds1970
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31. October 2005 @ 04:29 |
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Now I apologise in advance (knowing its the wrong forum) but What do you guys use to burn a 1:1 DL copy Ive tried searching but I can only find single layer back ups.
I ask this as my DL discs should arrive tommorow and Im RARING to go if you know what I mean.
Oh and by the way Ive just used a couple of them Longten cr@p discs in conjunction with 1 click DVD with HORRENDOUS results I thought Max Headroom had made a comeback LOL, how much was down to the discs and how much was down to the Program I dont know but I really dont fancy using a 1 click prog to do it as they just seem well just too easy or is it just me?
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31. October 2005 @ 04:41 |
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@puds1970
For a straight DL copy u can use DVD Decrypter ISO or File read write operation. I still like to extract the files to HD in file mode and then burn, but ISO read/write will work. You can also set the disc size in Decrypter to DL, and it handles the layer transition with no problems. I just burned a Verb DL at 4x and it came out fine. Most would go 2.4x, but i got these Verbs for 2 bucks each, so i can experiment a little. Yes they are more expensive than regular discs, but nothing can replace them if you want a 100% copy of a DL movie with no compression, and you want to keep everything. I save them for long movies that would be compressed too much for my liking if i tried to shrink down to a DVD5. Oh, and in decrpyter if you do an ISO read, and then select the ISO file instead of the MDS file when you go to ISO Write, decrypter comes up with a funny error message saying you picked the wrong file, and it will fix it for you this time.. So click on the ISO file for a laugh. It will automatically select the MDS file so no harm done.
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31. October 2005 @ 05:02 |
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Thanks MaxBurn Ive just found a guide on comcast.net that uses DVD Decrypter so unless I get advised otherwise I will follow your lead.
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31. October 2005 @ 09:26 |
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as i don't do DL burning all i'll add is that i always leave me antivirus running (Mcafee) but just don't mess with pc during the burn..
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31. October 2005 @ 10:09 |
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You might want to start using ImgBurn for burning DL discs. It's the successor--albeit without ripping ability--to DVD Decrypter. According to the info here (http://www.imgburn.com/) it has improved ability to calculate the layer break compared to Decrypter. On the other hand, I had burned probably 20 DL discs with Decrypter without a problem, but if the author of that app says this is better I tend to believe him.
Personally, I rip with AnyDVD/Decrypter, edit out crapola with VobBlanker, edit commands, if necessary, with PGCEdit, rebuild the ISO with IFOEdit (probably not necessary since I've never had trouble burning with Nero from the VIDEO_TS folder), then burn with ImgBurn. Not a coaster yet and the disc comes out exactly the way you want it, not the way the studios want you to see it. I cannot friggin' stand discs which begin with five previews before going to the main menu.
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puds1970
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1. November 2005 @ 00:46 |
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Ive just had my TY delivered from SVP popped a disc in DVD identifyer manufacturer ID YUDEN000 and media ID is T02 looks like Im in for a pleasurable burning experience wouldn't you say.
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1. November 2005 @ 00:54 |
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sounds delicious~ :) LOL
mmmmmmm...YUDEN000T02s, DVD+R TYs are so tasty~
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puds1970
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Dont wanna pour cold water on it but 1 burn 1 coaster using DVD Shrink 3.2.0.15 + Nero the log says.
Nero API version: 6.0.0.0
Using interface version: 6.3.1.4
Installed in: C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero\
Application: ahead\Nero - Burning Rom
Recorder: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109> Version: 1.58 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.0.0.0
Adapter driver: <nvatabus> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2000kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 nvatabus Port 0 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5238S nvatabus Port 0 ID 1 DMA: ?
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD2000JD-22HBC0 nvatabus Port 1 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 3 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 3 ID 1 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM 2.7a Vax347s Port 4 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM 2.7a Vax347s Port 4 ID 1 DMA: ?
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AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
CmdQueuing : 1
CmdNotification: 2
WriteBufferSize: 83886080 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
EraseSpeed : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 1023MB (1048048kB)
Free physical memory: 583MB (597152kB)
Memory in use : 43 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)
1.11.2005
NeroAPI
10:59:19 #1 Phase 112 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 232
DVD-Video files reallocation started
10:59:19 #2 Phase 114 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 232
DVD-Video files reallocation completed (no file modified)
10:59:19 #3 Phase 111 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 232
DVD-Video files sorted
10:59:19 #4 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 118
Reader running
10:59:19 #5 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 127
Writer PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 running
10:59:19 #6 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3814
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
10:59:19 #7 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3814
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)
10:59:19 #8 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3081
Turn on Disc-At-Once, using DVD media
10:59:20 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 224
Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28)
Last address to be written: 2281695 (507:02.45)
10:59:20 #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 229
Write in overburning mode: FALSE
10:59:23 #11 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 1688
Recorder: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109, Media type: DVD+R
Disc Manufacturer ID: YUDEN000, Media Type ID: T02, Product revision number: 0
Disc Application Code: 0, Extended Information Indicators: 3
10:59:23 #12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 757
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original CD pos #0 + 2281696 (2281696) = #2281696/507:2.46
relocatable, CD pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048, config 0, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 2281696 blocks [PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 ]
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10:59:23 #13 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3318
Recorder and media-info
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Burning to PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 on a DVD+R media
10:59:23 #14 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 910
Prepare recorder PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 for write in cue-sheet-DAO
DAO infos:
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MCN:
TOCTYPE: 0x0 Session Closed, CD fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
TRM_DATA_MODE1, 2048/0x0, ISRC "", FilePos 0 307200 378253312
10:59:23 #15 Phase 24 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 232
Caching of files started
10:59:23 #16 Phase 25 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 232
Caching of files completed
10:59:23 #17 Phase 36 File APIProgress.cpp, Line 232
Burn process started at 8x (11,040 KB/s)
10:59:23 #18 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2104
Verifying CD position of item 0 (relocatable, CD pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0
10:59:23 #19 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 7827
---- DVD Structure: Physical Format Information (00h) ----
Layer: 0, Address: 0 (0 h), AGID: 0; Length: 2050
Book Type: DVD+R (10), Part Version: 1
Disc Size: 120 mm, Maximum Rate: <not specified> (F h)
Number of Layers: 1, Track Path: Parallel Track Path (PTP), Layer Type: recordable
Linear Density: 0,267 um/bit, Track Density: 0,74 um/track
Starting Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 30000 h (DVD-ROM, DVD-R/-RW, DVD+R/+RW)
End Physical Sector Number of Data Area: 26053F h
End Sector Number in Layer 0: 0 h
Data in Burst Cutting Area (BCA) does not exist
Media Specific:
00 03 59 55 44 45 4E 30 - 30 30 54 30 32 00 38 23 ..YUDEN000T02.8#
54 37 10 02 4E 72 02 8C - 63 16 16 0B 0B 0A 0A 01 T7..Nr..c.......
19 1B 0C 0C 0C 0D 01 00 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 ................
10:59:23 #20 Text 0 File DVDPlusRW.cpp, Line 513
Start write address at LBA 0
DVD high compatibility mode: Yes
10:59:25 #21 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 318
10:59:25.562 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 : Queue again later (Intervall : 5msec)
10:59:40 #22 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 318
10:59:40.437 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 : Queue again later (Intervall : 5msec)
10:59:40 #23 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 318
10:59:40.453 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 : Queue again later (Intervall : 5msec)
And it carries on and on until it finished a little dissapointed and hoping that its down to my settings rather than my discs.
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1. November 2005 @ 01:34 |
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Nero API version: 6.0.0.0
- wow, that version is out of the bible, update tp 6.6.0.16
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Recorder: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109> Version: 1.58
- firmware's up to date
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Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
- the 'nvatabus' drivers aren't loaded correctly
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Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
- yup, Nero's too old to recognise the burner
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CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 nvatabus Port 0 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5238S nvatabus Port 0 ID 1 DMA: ?
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD2000JD-22HBC0 nvatabus Port 1 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 3 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 3 ID 1 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM 2.7a Vax347s Port 4 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM 2.7a Vax347s Port 4 ID 1 DMA: ?
- the 'nvatabus' drivers aren't loaded correctly
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Last possible write address on media: 2295103 (510:01.28)
Last address to be written: 2281695 (507:02.45)
- sounds like you're burning too close to outer edge of the discs. even on top notch discs i personally stick to 4300MB myself..
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1. November 2005 @ 01:34 |
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it's NOT the discs...your nero is outdated...
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Recorder: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109> Version: 1.58 - HA 0 TA 0 - 6.0.0.0
Adapter driver: <nvatabus> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2000kB
Bus Type : via Inquiry data (1) -> ATAPI, detected: ?
Connected to MMC as unknown drive with class-nr : 1
Drive is autodetected - recorder class: Std. MMC recorder
due to the version of nero that you have, your drive is not properly recognized...as you can see above "connected to MMC as unknown drive...Std. MMC recorder...
the newest version of nero is 6.6.0.16, your version IS ANCIENT~!
update your nero version...this will also resolve this problem of not being able to detect your DMA settings : Quote:
=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-109 nvatabus Port 0 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON CD-RW SOHR-5238S nvatabus Port 0 ID 1 DMA: ?
DiskPeripheral : WDC WD2000JD-22HBC0 nvatabus Port 1 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 3 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : Generic DVD-ROM 1.0 d347prt Port 3 ID 1 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM 2.7a Vax347s Port 4 ID 0 DMA: ?
CdRomPeripheral : SCSIVAX DVD/CD-ROM 2.7a Vax347s Port 4 ID 1 DMA: ?
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there ya go~ :)
docTY~
it's NOT the discs, it's your burning setup~ :) sorry to be the bearer of bad news~
added edit: how did i KNOW that mr. nero master log himself would beat me to this??? sheesh~ u ARE psychic creaky~ *bows down*
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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what a tag team :)
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1. November 2005 @ 01:38 |
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OMG buddy, you responded before i finished my edit in the last post~ :) but, YES, tag team wrestling..but, i am STILL your nero apprentice~ LOL
docTY~
p.s. this "psychic" bond we have is kind of scary creaky...lol...halloween is over but the freakiness continues....
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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puds1970
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1. November 2005 @ 01:49 |
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Cheers guys I'll get on that straight away.
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1. November 2005 @ 01:52 |
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notice how both creaky and i posted our almost identical replies at the SAME TIME??? friggin @06:34~
that is spooky if you ask me~ LOL
anyways, give it another try once your Nero is updated...and another Nero log will be very handy IF you are still experiencing problems the 2nd time around~ good luck
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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1. November 2005 @ 01:52 |
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now if only Afterdawn would introduce functionality to do stuff like quoting text etc at the click of a button, i'd give you all a run for your money then :)
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scary, we just posted at the same time again, Halloween is overrunning
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omg stop it creaky~!!
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puds1970
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Now Im off to buy a newer version of Nero now is version 7 OK becaus Ive heard 1 or 2 people concerned with the performance the reason I ask this is I may not be able to buy version 6.6 from my local retailer, I would normally order it off the net but Ive only got limited time before Im back at work again and BAM! no time to burn as Im a very busy man I'll have you know ;>) .
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...i certainly won't recommend anyone goes Nero 7 for a while yet, let everyone else out there fight the bugs for you, wait 'til it's more stable....
and here's how i see it personally (ie for my uses of Nero). i only use Nero for audio/data cd's, and straight dvd-video burns - that's it. so for me there's absolutely no need to go 7.x
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puds1970
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1. November 2005 @ 05:26 |
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Just recieved my DL Verbatims with 1 drawback they come up on DVD id as Ritek D01 just phoned Bigpockets they apololgised and I should recieve the Verbs tommorow.
Morale of the story the internet is a great research tool because if I didnt know you guys I wouldnt have been any wiser regarding not knowing about DVD id or the list of media codes and which ones are better etc.
Basically I was sent discs that cost half the price as Verbs and because they had no label on them or no invoice etc (make of that what you want )or without your priceless knowledge (kiss kiss) I would have been ripped.
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i too would not recommend using Nero 7 just yet, as per creaky's explanation, i am more than happy with my Nero 6 ultra, while others may have already have success using Nero 7, i will personally WAIT until a very stable version is reported before i consider trying it. :)
also, while the Ritek DLs are my 2nd choice of DL media to use, i DO consider the Verbatim MKM001 coded ones the very BEST...knowledge is power, it's a good thing you were not ripped off, especially paying the premium for Verbatim DLs only to receive something "not as good", don't get me wrong, i've had a lot of success with RitekD01, as per my sig., but the Verbatim MKM's are simply THE BEST~ :)
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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2. November 2005 @ 13:07 |
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kivory666, sorry took so long....Memorex 2.4XDL's ,,,Identifier says they are: Ritek D01 Now I'm even mor pleased with my purchase. I've used Ritek's for some time before switching to TY's.
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Yes the Ritek is good media
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3. November 2005 @ 00:16 |
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@ Robert
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I've used Ritek's for some time before switching to TY's.
as have i my friend, as have i... :)
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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I have burned two Verbatum Double Layer Disks. They are still pricey but finally low enough to cure the itch. It's not worth the cost and my itch is gone. I so far cannot see any difference in the picture. I can get name brand 4.7 gig on sale at BB for $17.99 for 50. The Double Layer were $11.99 for 3 at WalMart. Not really worth it yet.
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