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Trouble with Madagascar.
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temj
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17. November 2005 @ 20:37 |
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Thank You gwen! 
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17. November 2005 @ 20:40 |
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Only too pleased to help, I find it happens a lot when I put up the Nero link...we learn til we die!
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17. November 2005 @ 23:24 |
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@JaguarGod
The burn was good. The DVD plays well in all three of my players here.
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18. November 2005 @ 10:45 |
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Thanks everyone with the helpful info on Madagascar
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JaguarGod
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18. November 2005 @ 11:01 |
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@christ93,
I am glad to hear that it worked. I backed a movie where I got an error on VTS_xx_0.VOB and it turned out that only the movie worked correctly. The chapter menu only links to one of the special features for some reason and the special features just makes the DVD freeze.
I don't mind much as I can still access everything using the "Display" button on my DVD Remote, but it is better to have a fully functioning menu.
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18. November 2005 @ 12:17 |
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@Jaguagod
Your guide is a bit on the murky side. The first two pictures that you reference are small and very hard to read. I watched, well skipped from chapter to chapter, on two of the three players and checked the extra content that I did keep and all is well. Any determination on weather this is a multi version spewage of ARccOS or Ripguard?
Beer is good...and stuff!
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JaguarGod
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18. November 2005 @ 13:01 |
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It is good that it worked. Just keep what I said in mind. The error in Shrink means that there is still something wrong in the DVD's structure. That means the protection was not completely removed. However, the problem may be on cells that are not used for actual playback, which is most likely your case.
What I was referring to was a non Sony movie. I forgot which one, but all it had was Macrovision. There was a problem in the main menu with some of the cell commands. This was a low budget movie and these things are not authored like they should be (I could do a better job than them for sure and I do not have much experience in that department).
As for the first two pictures of the guide, they are not crucial so I resized them, otherwise it would have taken much space (the guide was originally on .doc & .pdf). The first picture is when you open VIDEO_TS.IFO. If you look at the bottom half of the IFOEdit screen, it will list the titles of the movie:
Title 1: VTS_02* .......
Title 2: VTS_05* .......
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Title 8: VTS_01* .......
It will tell you which VTS are real and which are part of the protection. If a VTS is not referenced here, then ripping it will give you problems. For Resident Evil Apocalypse, only VTS 1 through 6 were referenced. This means that VTS-07 & VTS-08 are fakes. This helps when you rip the rest of the Disc (not the main movie).
The second picture showed that DVD Decrypter listed the fake files after the real ones. The newer versions of Decrypter do not do this the same way. The shot shows VTS_05 highlighted (it detected the full-screen version as the main movie). Then underneath this was VTS_06 and after VTS_06_0.BUP it lists VTS_02_5.VOB. The actual widescreen movie spanned through 4 VOBs and was under 3.6 GB. VTS_02_5.VOB was not part of the movie. The newer Decrypter will rip this VOB, but insert a dummy sector. Since IFOEdit was used to correct the movie, it was not necessary to rip this VOB.
In Bewitched, if you rip everything and then try run it through Shrink, you will get an error similar to this "Error VTS_02_5.VOB, failed to find Data". It may be referenced in some of the cell commands, but it was not on the disc. In VobBlanker, you would get an error like "reached end of VOB too early".
I beleive that you can get past these errors by waiting for Decrypter to actually rip (but still skip) the bad sectors, but this can take some time and may be bad for your DVD-ROM. Skipping the bad cells and adding a little extra work is worth it in my opinion.
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18. November 2005 @ 16:36 |
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I opened Madagascar using IfoEdit and am looking at the lower screen. I know that DVDD ran into the pack header errors in VTS_08.vob. These are referenced in the lower screen. BTW, what is a pack header error? There are 4 VTS_08 referenced in IfoEdit, yet when I count the actual number of VTS_08.Vobs on the disk there are 5. Is this what I should be looking for? Also when I drill down and open 8's IFO I notice that there are some really short(.17) PGCs in there. Is that another sign?
Beer is good...and stuff!
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JaguarGod
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18. November 2005 @ 20:19 |
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There is a chance that the short PGCs are the Dummy menus. These dummies contain the commands to make the DVD run as intended. There are two different places to look for PGCs. There is "VTS_PGCITI", which is for the actual video; & "VTSM_PGCI_UT", which is for the menus. If you are in the one for the menus, then this is normal.
As for the main movie, here is a screen shot of the fixed Bewitched VTS_02.IFO (bottom of the IFOEdit screen only):
I would have taken a shot of the original, but I did not back those up for some reason.
This is what you get when you first open the IFO without clicking on anything on the top part. This is the chapter list for the movie. Notice how you can read the Cell IDs and that they begin with cell 23. I am guessing that the Pack header error was located in one of the cells that were removed (one of the first 22). The original one had a ton of "Layer Break" cells and these were very short. See the lengths of the new ones? The shortest is about 24 seconds and that is the Lady Liberty/red wagon logo.
What does this look like for VTS_08_0.IFO of Madagascar?
As for pack headers, I am not too familiar with those. I think a pack header is what gives the information about the VOB, meaning the synchronization, mux rate, etc... An error here could mean that there is an invalid bit value somewhere. I would have to read up on the DVD Spec to know for sure, but that is a pretty long read.
Now when you look at the number of VTS_08 remember that VTS_08_0 does not count since that is the menu. If there is a VTS_08_5.VOB then you could have something. Say that VTS_08_4.VOB is under .99GB and then you have a VTS_08_5.VOB, this would be a suspect as part of some protection.
I would rip it alone and then test playback. Only the first VOB of a VTS will be unrippable by conventional means (File mode). However, DVD Decrypter in IFO Mode, will not rip the extra VOB if there is one. This is because IFO mode will rip by PGC.
What I meant to look for however, was Dummy VTS. I do not know if Madagascar has them, but say the last VTS was VTS_20. When you look at VIDEO_TS.IFO, it may only reference upto VTS_17. This means that all of VTS 18, 19 , & 20 are dummy VTS.
There was some talk about an error in VTS_16 (I might be confusing it with Stealth though). There is a chance that Macrovision implemented the extra VTS thing differently. Possibly this one is referenced in the VIDEO_TS.IFO, but is never played. If this is the case, the best thing to do is only rip the IFO and the menu VOB. Then blank out the VTS with VobBlanker. Not ripping it at all can also be possible, but it may cause an error in compression software, but there is a way around that too.
There is a small chance that I will now buy Madagascar as it comes with a lot of free stuff like a 6 pack of 1 liter Evian, Free Popcorn, Free Hershey's snacks, and upto $8 in rebates. The Evian alone is a $7 value and that is something I buy anyways and I am out of popcorn...
In the meantime, if you want, you can send me the IFOs by e-mail. There is a chance that I may find what is causing the error in Shrink. Let me know and I can then give you my e-mail through PM.
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temj
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18. November 2005 @ 20:27 |
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"Packer Heading" warnings are %80 of the time caused by AnyDVD or DVD43 or some other type of copyright bypassing software being ran at the same time as DVD Decrypter.
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19. November 2005 @ 03:42 |
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PM your email and I will zip up the ifo's
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JaguarGod
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19. November 2005 @ 08:40 |
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The PM was sent.
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JaguarGod
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19. November 2005 @ 10:35 |
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This DVD was done in a pretty complex way. There are so many Titles in this movie that is will take a while to see what is actually going on.
Just taking a quick look at VTS_08_0.IFO, I do not like cells 2 & 3 of the main movie. If there are corrupted (unrippable) cells, I would b=place my bet on those two. However I can tell you that the actual movie begins with cell 5, so if you try to rip with Decrypter, that would be the cell to start at.
There are 4 PGCs that are also very short. These are PGC 2, 3, 4, & 5 of VTS_08. Perhaps these should be blanked out or not ripped at all. I will have to look at what the precommands do here.
I will take a closer look at all of the IFOs tomorrow. I will be leaving in about 90 minutes, so I have to finish a few task and get ready.
EDIT: movie begins in cell 5 not 6.
Just got back and will look at the IFOs some more today and hopefully figure something out tomorrow.
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19. November 2005 @ 12:07 |
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i tried using dvdfab and seemed to rip fine but when i opened DVD Shrink the file wasnt in my cdrive...please help
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sd72667
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19. November 2005 @ 13:30 |
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I ripped Madagascar with DVD Decrypter with no problems in ISO, but when I burned it to DVD+ DL, I got an error 48% into the burn. I was not happy with a $2 coaster. Has anyone made a 1:1 copy?
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temj
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19. November 2005 @ 13:58 |
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sd72667 - What brand of blank DL disc's were you trying to burn to?
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19. November 2005 @ 16:38 |
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@Jaguargod
At the start of vob8 Decrypter reported bad pack headers. I imagine that the errors were caused by. BTW, thanks for you help in helping me understand what is going on with the newer DVD protection. I want to be able to use Lightning_UK's program till HD DVD is mainstream.
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bigdm
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19. November 2005 @ 17:33 |
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I finally got a good copy of Madagascar. I disabled AnyDVD, ran DVDFAB Decrypter, VOB Blanker (default setting), and then recode2. I tried skipping the VOB Blanker step but I kept getting out of memory error when running recode2. This did not make since when I tried burning to my hard drive because it had over 100G of free memory. Thanks everyone for coming up with a solution.
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JaguarGod
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20. November 2005 @ 08:22 |
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@christ93
Doing a movie only for this DVD seems like no different than Sony ARccOS movies. I do not see how there could be any protection from cells 5 through 25. There seems to be a cell commands that skips cell 26 and jumps to one of the small PGCs in the VTS. I wonder if cell 26 is rippable?
The only problems I see with this movie are Title 94, the insanely complex menu structure, and the extra PGCs in VTS_08.
What would be hard to get here, is a 100% workable menu and making the movie skip straight to the menu. There is some retarded stuff going on in VTS_08 where it goes back and forth from the VMG to VTS_08. It could be that there are a series of checks that happens so that the DVD is harder to copy with a workable menu. This is what I suspect the extra PGCs are in VTS_08.
Title 94 does not seem to be referenced anywhere by any commands (PGC 5). Also, the only command in this title is to jump to the Root menu of the VTS (VTS_08). Also, it uses VOB ID 5 (the movie begins with VOB ID 6 and the cell before is VOB ID 4). This could be a corrupted Cell in VTS_08_1.VOB. Try to rip PGC 5 of VTS_08 and see if it you get an error or if it rips fine.
I could make a theoretical guide up for you, but there would be no way for me to test it, unless if I get the movie. There is a slight chance of me buying this movie. My brother kind of wants it and the free Popcorn & Evian is soooo tempting....
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20. November 2005 @ 14:43 |
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I wonder if there are any other versions of this movie(ala Bewitched and Lords of Dogtown)? Since what works for some will not work for others, this seems to be a good posibility. I may have to rent another copy of the movie and check the ifo file and check to see if they are different. Are there any good guides to working with IFOEdit or any web based resource on the workings of an IFO file?
Thanx in advance....
BTW, What brand of popcorn? I prefer beer myself.
Beer is good...and stuff!
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20. November 2005 @ 15:59 |
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@ sd72667,
If you rip with DvDFAB Decrypt., You should be able to burn 1:1 to a (DL) using CopyToDvd software (If you have it). It worked for me... .. .. .
Gotta . .
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cmax420
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20. November 2005 @ 16:02 |
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I finally got this movie to work, Thanks to JaguarGod.
1. Dvd Decrypter
2. VobBlanker_2010, Quote from JaguarGod "There are 4 PGCs that are also very short. These are PGC 2, 3, 4, & 5 of VTS_08. Perhaps these should be blanked out or not ripped at all." I blanked these PCG's and then hit process.
3. Dvd Shrink
The full Movie with Menus. Thanks Again for the help :)
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sd72667
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20. November 2005 @ 16:41 |
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I used Verbatim DVD+R DL. I know now that the movie has a new protection scheme.
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20. November 2005 @ 16:54 |
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@ sd72667, I also used Verb. DL's and was able to handle the task at hand using the method that I stated earlier (1:1 complete disk) with perfect results.... . ..
Gotta,.. . :)
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JaguarGod
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21. November 2005 @ 12:05 |
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@christ93,
http://www.ifoedit.com/ is back on line, so check that out. There are lots of nice guides available there. Also, you should look at PGCEdit. This is like IFOEdit, but more updated and easier to use. I am learning to use this one as there are some commands missing in IFOEdit that are usefull.
The popcorn that comes with it is Orville Redenbacher 3-pack. I would also prefer beer with it, especially since the ones I drink are $3 - 9 a bottle.
Also, let me know how your research goes.
cmax420,
I am glad that I was able to help you.
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