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DVD Decrypter to be removed
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 24 November, 2005
Macrovision Corporation recently acquired the intellectual property rights in all versions of DVD Decrypter from its author, Lightning UK!. As the current owner of the intellectual property rights in DVD Decrypter Macrovision has contacted us to inform that "any license granted by Lightning UK! to AfterDawn for the distribution of any version of the Software [DVD Decrypter] is hereby terminated ... [ read the full article ]
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24. November 2005 @ 19:29 |
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They're Germany and your France. circa 1940's
Youville do as your told! Shnell! Shnell!
Wow! paid for Oppression or training, programming, brain washing using cash.
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crowy
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24. November 2005 @ 19:30 |
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24. November 2005 @ 19:41 |
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"Luckily that feature is now available in Lightning UK!'s new software, ImgBurn. "
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, I wonder how AfterDawn.com learned about LUK!'s new program "ImgBurn". 
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A_Klingon
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24. November 2005 @ 19:59 |
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Hmmmmmmmmm......
Macrovision Corp., quite frankly, makes me sick to my stomach. Always has.
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Macrovision has contacted us to inform that "any license granted by Lightning UK! to AfterDawn for the distribution of any version of the Software [DVD Decrypter] is hereby terminated with immediate effect."
Yep - sounds about right. A heavy-handed ultimatum from a company which -- if it didn't have the ma$$ive financial backing of the Hollywood Motion Picture Industry behind it to instill the fear of Living Hell into the hearts of everyone -- would be as lame-dicked as a eunich in a whorehouse.
Similar hard talk was shoved up Lighting UK's a## when MacroSuction ordered him to take down DVD Decrypter. (I think most of us have read Lightning's words on the subject when he explained to us why DVDD could no longer be supported by him).
When it is stated that the company "recently acquired the intellectual property rights" to the program, what does that mean?
That they bought-off Lightning UK with a big chunk of change? Or that they threatened to break his neck if he didn't immediately comply with their directive?
The fact that they have specifically singled out AfterDawn in this case, tells me volumes about how very important A/D has become in the online world.
(Good!) 
I still use DVD Decrypter to marvellous effect. For the most part, I doubt that anyone will really need all that much more in the way of a ripper for the remaining time the (standard) DVD format will be with us. Blu-Ray and/or HD-DVD will be taking over soon enough, and regular DVD will eventually become a niche (or niche-like) format.
I get a real kick out of these companies who bluster and blow like a typhoon with nothing more than a pair of store-bought balls. On their own, MicroSuck would have faded from the public conscience years ago.
-- A_K --
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24. November 2005 @ 20:41 |
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Someone needs to inform Macrovision that they cannot OWN intellectual rights to what has already entered into the public domain or shareware, at least in the U.S. I don't know what kind of crazy laws they have in the U.K. This would be a nightmare for shareware distributors.
No one ever needed a license to distribute this piece of software. I don't even see any info regarding licensing, maybe it was on the web site they took down.
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24. November 2005 @ 20:51 |
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Hi you guys:
Has anyone been using Shrinkto5.exe? It was the follow up to the new dvdshrink. It works faster and, I think, has better video quality, than its predecessor!! No one ever mentions this great program-free for copying dvds. It also has its own decrypter called machinist.dll which just stays in the installed directory as shrinkto5.exe.
If you have used or heard about it, please post and tell me what you think? The programer has not made a version for win 9x as of yet.
thanks,
Miles
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24. November 2005 @ 21:22 |
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DVDD is landmark software, fantastic !! I hope we can help the author move on.
I have nothing about working together as good active consumers and activists. Just to download others work, doesn't cut it !!
1. All of us whould make a call, send a fax or email to Macrovision AND THE MIAA, letting them know as as one of the group of the largest movie going and DVD movie purchasing public that they are wasting millions on buying politicians, creating bad will with their customers as well as having to go to illegal and costly measure like buying the rights for DVDD.
2. AnyDVD is a excellent product at a reasonable price, if you want to help the development of it, keep it alive, please BUY IT !!
3. If one uses some adware free product that helps us, as consumers, take back control of the entertainment industry, it would be a great idea to send a donation to those people once in a while. Without any funds, development stops, families can't eat and they cannot afford legal bill.
4. PLEASE take a few minutes to let companies like Macrovision, Sony, RIAA members, artists, movie studios, some correspondance to let them know how yoou feel. It does not have to be nasty or long. BUT, it is important to be an activist.
An example as well is to let your federal legislatures and the attorney generals office know that you want them to crack down on the corruption of the entertainment industry. Specifically, how the Attorney General of New York, Howard Spitzer, went to court and and won, and caught Sony, Radio stations, Clear Channel, with massive payola and price fixing schemes and basically not allowing artists to get their music be heard, etc.
It is essential that the FCC and the Attorney General's office goes ut and PROSECUTES the true pirates of the industry. The movie and music heads spend a fortune lobbying congress and the administration, and we can change things by alerting the politicos, and the companies that we are watching them and expect the Legislative and Judicial branches of the federal government to slam the crap out of these companies that act more like organizes crime families. The attornet general of a single state can only do so much. It is CRIMINAL that the feds have not followed through.
End of talk.
Quick notes as citizens and consumers to the media, politicians, Corporations who get away with criminal activity need to be changed. Also, the RIGHT to make backups of our purchases should be encourages anyway.
Last is, HELP SUPPORT those talented and motivated people who create software and write the codecs that allow people like us to simply go about our business.
They are the criminals and priates and the ones that have had prior convictions for crimes that have stolen millions from artists and the general public.
Thanks,
Jon
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24. November 2005 @ 21:29 |
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Well another one bites the dust, but I live by this saying. "As one door closes and another one opens", but that doesn't mean you have to knock or use a key. In buying out the rights to DVD Decrypter they are just saying that there isn't anything out there that can beat it. And if they keep up this kind of Nazi tactics they will only put themselves in a corner in which they won't be able to get out of.
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24. November 2005 @ 22:24 |
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If by "acquired" you mean "bought" then why are we complaining about macrovision?
I rarely post on these sights because all the post seem to be against the big evil coporations that just sue poor innocent little program makers... just this once however it looks like the big evil company didn't sue, they didn't try and extract thounds of pounds from the maers of such software, no they bought it, as in they gave money to the people cracking their protections.
It seems they can't win either way...
to me it just looks like Lightening UK! sold out.
Maybe all this "few against the coporations" has it's price...
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24. November 2005 @ 22:33 |
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Ok. I've been doing some research for the past six hours and nothing seems to click up. Some people say LUK sold out. But then again, I have read my self LUK post about what happend with (THE COMPANY) and it seems he was forsed to removed this freeware. It doesn't seem like he sold out. If he would have sold out, do you think he would have started a new program asking for donations. Somethings not right. There's a new program out there but yet they are asking for donations. Hmmmmmmm There's something fishy going on.
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24. November 2005 @ 23:41 |
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Though Macrovision would have you think they bought the rights to the software, in reality pretty much what happened is they bullied them into giving it up. Macrovision's technique is simple - rather than actually create a reliable copy-protection technology, let's just bottle up every technology capable of defeating our pathetic one.
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Doofy
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25. November 2005 @ 00:48 |
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Seems to me that you can't really blame macrovision they are only doing trying to prevent piracy bottom line. There is IMO a big difference between backing up your shop bought DVD's and then nipping down to the local shop to rent and rip. There are so many people complaining about the big corporations doing this and doing that but think nothing of ripping a dvd that they have rented and do not legally own. A slight case of double standards from some quarters. Decrypter was and still is a marvellous program but if i were in macrovisions shoes i would have done exactly the same thing they have.
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25. November 2005 @ 02:53 |
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Doofy: Actually in several countries, including Finland where aD is based, rental shops pay about 5 times the retail price for DVDs, as the DVDs purchased for rental purposes carry a levy that goes to copyright owners and that is justified by the fact that Finnish legislation makes it legal to copy rented movies for personal use, whether you own the original or not. So, taking away tools that allow doing so isn't exactly "nice", as consumers pay for that right anyway (via higher rental fees due the levy and also the blank media, like DVDRs, carries levy that compensates authors for home copying).
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Doofy
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25. November 2005 @ 03:28 |
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Fair points not being up on finish laws puts me at a disadvantage, however what happens when and if the legisltion changes? The legislation you have does not apply to most countries
Burn rubber that doesn't mean warp speed
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A_Klingon
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25. November 2005 @ 03:33 |
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...and further to dRD's comments above, here in Canada -- at least according to Section 80 of the Canadian Copyright Act, it is perfectly legal to make for-personal-use-only at-home copies of DVDs obtained from an accredited Local Public Library.
And until that law is either repealed or recinded, you (we) are not breaking any laws.
Also .... now that I think of it:
It seems to me that Lightning UK! might simply have removed the ability of DVDD to remove the stupid MacroSuck copy-protection flag. In other words, if he had left the stupid flag intact, then MicroDik wouldn't really have a case, would they? Their whole premise is based on a piece of software that circumvents their lame copy-protection mechanism.
When you get right down to it, who *cares* if your backup copy still contains the flag? You might not be able to copy your backup to, say, a VHS tape, but it wouldn't make a shred of difference when playing the disc back on a set top dvd player.
But I expect that Lightning UK! has already thought about that and decided that it wasn't worth the misery he'd have to endure to simply disable the microdik flag.
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25. November 2005 @ 05:06 |
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lol
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25. November 2005 @ 05:25 |
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All right, you've got me on my political soap box now!
If you don't like your freedoms being taken away, stop electing the same old political wonks to public office.
I don't know about the UK or Canada, but in the US both political parties have become lackeys of the international bankers and the multi-national corporations. Look at some recent examples; Denial of meaningful bankruptcy protection to the lower 80% of the population, this was voted in by a significant majority of both houses of congress. Immigration reform that allows 300,000 to 500,000 more illegal workers to enter this country, have free access to public services we pay for, and drive down wages for legal American workers. 12,000,000 Americans unable to find a living wage job and a majority of the members in congress are voting for their own financial interests.
Everybody wants to vote out the crooks and frauds in public office, they just don't want to vote out their crook that has been feeding off societies tit for 30 years or longer. Vote out the old timers and let's start training a whole new group of whores for the future!
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25. November 2005 @ 06:14 |
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Are there any lawyers out there in the USA or other Country?s that can comment on the legal Aspects on this, like our legal standing on this free program DVD Decrypter b-4 it was bought out.
And our rights after the DVD Decrypter buy out. and continued use.
And did lighting-uk include ImgBurn in the sale.
http://imgburn.com/
I sure like to hear lighting-uk comment on his sale of DVD Decrypter to Macrovision Corporation.
To answer a question some one posted,the reason I feel they went after after dawn to remove DVD Decrypter was because his site DVDxcopy by 321 studios Started the copying craze in 2002.
also i feel thats what made afterdawn famous to the world.
heres the afterdawn/dvdxcopy site that started it all.
http://dvdxcopy.afterdawn.com/
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Doofy
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25. November 2005 @ 07:20 |
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Off Topic
Ireland my wife suffers from th esame problem and to me your posts are perfectly acceptable, it is people like you that help out around here that make it a wortwhile place to be.
On topic
As i had it explained to me the copying of the films isnt really the problem it's the circumventing of the copy protection when it starts to get iffy. In the countries where the law prohibits copying people can hardly complain about the likes of macrovision, making it difficult to back up discs they are not suppose to back up anyway.
Burn rubber that doesn't mean warp speed
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25. November 2005 @ 12:28 |
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I'm feeling like an idiot!
Macrovision bought a program which was/is distributed for free! Alas! what kind of investors supporting this firm? Who can send you in court if you own a copy prior of the purchasing of the rights?
The aim is that they want to force us to by paid software. Personaly I believe that sister firms are developing commercial DVD backup products.
Next step, I suppose, is to buy all relative freeware products. C' mon this reminds me the joke:
How an investor who's buying stocks at limit up prices and sold to limit down has become a millionaire?
Answer: He was a billionaire!
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ricoman
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25. November 2005 @ 13:26 |
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The guys who say LUK sold out are idiots. The guy gave the software away free for years, yet these morons are so ready to trash him. Some people are so jaded that they have to be negative about everything and everyone. LUK made litte or no money on this software and he was threatened with a lawsuit and the possibility of criminal charges (it is, after all, illegal to copy copyrighted materials in most countries). The ingrates should be kissing his butt for hanging in there as long as he did just to give them freeware.
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Doofy
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25. November 2005 @ 13:52 |
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The truth of the matter is no one really knows what happened between LUK and macrovision, I really don't blame him for giving it all up if he was forced to give it up then he made the right choice for him. If he gained any finacial reward for it then also the right choice for him. IMO LUK should be applauded for bringing out a program that has without doubt made the backing up of dvds a damn sight easier than it could have been.
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25. November 2005 @ 13:55 |
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"The truth of the matter is no one really knows what happened between LUK and macrovision,"
That is a untrue statement.
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25. November 2005 @ 16:28 |
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Irish, I don't think it's an issue of what your rights are, but more an issue of what you're going to spend to litigate those rights. I'm not a copyright attorney, but I am an author who put stuff in the public domain before. The stuff I put in the public domain, I had no legal right to tell someone not to distribute. I've seen it in the middle of other people's novels, and yet, by giving up my rights, making it literary freeware, I could do nothing about it.
So part of the answer might be that if it was in the public domain, then the versions that were given in the public domain stand in the same shoes as my oft used fiction. BUT, I don't know if "freeware" is the same as being in the public domain. I'd suggest someone interested find out.
But a bigger part would be, how much do you want to shell out for lawyer fees? Because you can believe they have as many lawyers dancing on this one as Zeigfield had follies girls in his shows. In the US there are lawfirms with thousands of lawyers in them. They could easily deploy even a small dozen of those to buzz around your ears so much that you'd get no work done. Killer Bees are nothing in comparison to the crews that can be summoned from the large law firms. The sick part would be that they could take any such expenses off their taxes. OK, that's not the only sick part.
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25. November 2005 @ 17:03 |
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I think is bs. Decrypter was freeware so how the hell does macrosucks own it? It cant be sold. I want to see the legal binding contract that says they own it and can force afterdawn to take it away.:>
Oh and if macrovision is reading I have 4 copies of the latest on disk, floppy, and two hard drives. Come on over and try to take it away. I will just make more copies of this freeware and spread it around via bittorrent or frostwire.
Come on I dare you.....my louis slugger will be waiting when ya trespass to take away my free tool.
I wish the best to luk and I wish he would post the source code so we could update it and repost it under new name. Hell anyone know how to rip the proggry apart pm me.:>
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