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DVD Decrypter to be removed
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 24 November, 2005
Macrovision Corporation recently acquired the intellectual property rights in all versions of DVD Decrypter from its author, Lightning UK!. As the current owner of the intellectual property rights in DVD Decrypter Macrovision has contacted us to inform that "any license granted by Lightning UK! to AfterDawn for the distribution of any version of the Software [DVD Decrypter] is hereby terminated ... [ read the full article ]
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gobills
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25. November 2005 @ 18:09 |
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I used DVDD all the time and have always loved it. I have heard DVD43 was pretty good but havent seen alot said about it here, anybody use it? whats your thoughts about it?
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aabbccdd
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25. November 2005 @ 18:16 |
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not to highjack the thread BUT DVD43 conflits with alot of programs, doesnt update often enough making it difficult sometimes doing the newer movies. i rather use DVDD with PSL files instead of using dvd43
BUT your best bet is using AnyDVD ,by FAR a better program than DVD43 ,you get what yo pay for !!
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aabbccdd
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25. November 2005 @ 18:16 |
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not to highjack the thread BUT DVD43 conflits with alot of programs, doesnt update often enough making it difficult sometimes doing the newer movies. i rather use DVDD with PSL files instead of using dvd43
BUT your best bet is using AnyDVD ,by FAR a better program than DVD43 ,you get what yo pay for !!
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A_Klingon
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25. November 2005 @ 18:37 |
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Ireland my wife suffers from th esame problem and to me your posts are perfectly acceptable, it is people like you that help out around here that make it a wortwhile place to be.
(And he's extremely handsome too!) 
Oh poop ...... I just ran out of smokes.........
Dear Ireland: Could ye pleeze email me a pack o' ciggies till next Wednesday?
(Many thnx).
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AfterDawn Addict
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25. November 2005 @ 20:37 |
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Amazing that Macrovison did this huh :) well they couldn't come up with anything stronger soo they bought it wow!! big suprise :)
Well there are other programs that can do the job soo no worries :) but i have to say DVDD is probablly the finest program that can doo the job :)
Good Bye DVDD
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victedy
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26. November 2005 @ 09:28 |
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If the entertainment industry lowered the price of their goods, NO ONE would turn to the sites like lightning UK. Good for you LUK and long may you keep coming up with other programmes to get at macrovision and their ilk!
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26. November 2005 @ 11:10 |
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I would still recommend everyone download the program and get some older versions as well. This program can still copy every movie out there. What happens if DVDFab and AnyDVD get shut down? Then there is not much more out there. Both of those require updates for a new movie, so if something happens, then a new program will have to come out. With DVD Decrypter, no updating is necessary. There are PSL files (covered by Cynthia's beautiful PSL guide) and the manual method which I covered in two guides.
Also, there is no way for it to be disabled. The program does not install. The installation process only creates shortcuts and the directory.
I think Macrovision used Decrypter to help aid them in making their new Ripguard protection, but I guess they failed since it can rip Madagascar in ISO mode and the other programs were updated so that they can break it as well.
I agree..!! DVD Decrypter is still the King Of Ripper if you know how to use it (or can use little help from PSL, VobBlanker, PgcEdit or IfoEdit).
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jaminjim
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26. November 2005 @ 11:17 |
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Lightning UKs new program imgburn I was sad to see don't have a read mode unless I just haven't figured it out yet but other than that it is almost a clone of DVD Decrypter.
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jamoskeag
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26. November 2005 @ 15:50 |
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The fact that MV acquired DVDD does not necessarily mean that MV paid LUK any money. They could have said, give us all the rights toDVDD or we will sue you.
That would not put any money in LUK's pocket. Just a thought. The only ones who probably will ever know are LUK and MV. But the point remains, you can "acquire" something without putting up any cash.
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Chetwood
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26. November 2005 @ 22:39 |
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Gosh, I really wish you guys with no clue whatsoever would <expletives deleted>!
Chetwood: I get a bit emphatic myself sometimes, but please try to tone down the language. The 'F'-word and sentiments you expressed are way beyond the realm of good taste here. (Thnx). -- A_K --
LUK! was FORCED by MV to hand over all rights to his program otherwise they'd sue his sorry ass into oblivion. How come? Simple, his tool violated laws in the UK (and elsewhere).
And even if a software is distributed for free of course there is still a copyright owner who can decide what to do with his tool as he sees fit. As MV now owns the tool they can decide to pull it off the market as they just did.
So NO, LUK! never sold out and YES it's an evil company that wants to make a living by depriving us from our fair use rights. No goddamn lawyer is gonna stop me from making backups of DVDs I PAID FOR onto my media server in the basement.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 27. November 2005 @ 07:07
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A_Klingon
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27. November 2005 @ 07:33 |
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LUK! was FORCED by MV to hand over all rights to his program otherwise they'd sue his sorry ass into oblivion. How come? Simple, his tool violated laws in the UK (and elsewhere).
What I don't understand is this:
HOW is it that MV, all of a sudden, can consider someone else's own, personal intellectual property (DVDD) as their own?
My understanding was that UK and USA (and other) law simply states that one must not provide the tools that would enable a company's copy-protection mechanisms to be circumvented.
Since DVDD allows the user to disable the proprietary MV protection from a retail, commercial Macrovision-enabled DVD, it seems to me that the most Macrovision should have been able to demand of Lightning UK, was to remove the MV-disabler from his software.
One can still make a 100% perfectly useable backup of a DVD, even *with* the MV "protection" left intact. If Lightning UK had simply removed the ability of his software to remove MV "protection", that SHOULD have been a totally, legally-acceptable response and solution on Lightning's part. MV has no legal entitlement to demand anything more.
How it is that MV came to the realization that it now owns DVDD *outright*, escapes me.
So, until/unless Lightning UK or someone else can or will give us further information, we'll probably never know what happened.
My take on it though, is that Lightning was simply bullied, threatened and intimidated by a big corporation that has far more money than most of us will ever see.
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S2K
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27. November 2005 @ 07:44 |
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<i> Decrypter was freeware so how the hell does macrosucks own it?</i>
Becuse it used macrovsion owned code. Anyone who understands how DVD Decrypter works knows there was a patent violation going on. People can say what they want about DVD copyright issues in Canada and Finland (and most of what was posted above is actually not correct anyway) but even in Canada and Finland use of someone else's patented code is illegal.
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Chetwood
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27. November 2005 @ 09:06 |
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HOW is it that MV, all of a sudden, can consider someone else's own, personal intellectual property (DVDD) as their own?
What part of 'he handed over all his rights to MV to stop them from suing him' did you not understand? They gave him a choice: either give us all your rights to your tool or let's meet in court and see who comes out alive.
I don't know the exact UK laws being violated by DVDD but it's either you remove MV when copying a disc which violates copyright or you copy the whole disc with MV which violates MV patents. So all you can do is abort ripping when MV is detected IF you want to be on the safe side.
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allegra
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27. November 2005 @ 10:00 |
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All you people who are members and have commented in this section maybe you better check out the ImgBurn site Chat Forum and see exactly what the members there think of AD members and are postings. Very interesting reading including the part where we are all a$$holes. Got to be a member though.......
http://forum.imgburn.com/index.php?showtopic=333
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27. November 2005 @ 10:07 |
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My take on DVD Decrypter I am not a lawyer just my way of thinking, as long as it was giving away free by lighning_uk.
I feel a copy of DVD Decrypter belongs to those that download DVD Decrypter b-4 the sale. Since Macrovision Corporation now is the owner of DVD Decrypter and any download is illegal from that point on from the date of sale..I do not know if Macrovision Corporation has any control of a previous download b-4 the sale.
I think that's the answer that all would like to know.
i have nothing to say about whats going over at ImgBurn site Chat Forum..
thats there private world,and ours is a open to the world to read.
they are welcome to comment here.i see that no one here flamed any one..
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codymax
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27. November 2005 @ 15:09 |
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For those of you johnny come latley that were not able to download and archive from this site(like myself), Mr.bass.org still has it available!!! I just downloaded it to store on a cd-r.How much longer I can't say, but you better get it before MOCO-vision gets to it.
Ciao
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27. November 2005 @ 16:50 |
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u can always download it from the p2p and bittorrent, they can never stop it it's useless can they see it's not working.
stop hoping, start loving.
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A_Klingon
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27. November 2005 @ 21:14 |
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What part of 'he handed over all his rights to MV to stop them from suing him' did you not understand?
What part of "...the most MacroVision should have been able to demand of Lightning UK, was to remove the MV-disabler from his software." don't YOU understand?
You're stating the bleeding obvious. Hindsight is easy. We all know what MV did.
You either fail to understand what I am telling you, or you choose to ignore it. I suspect the latter, so I'll just reiterate what you already know:
MacroVision had ZERO claim-of-ownership to any of the code in LUK's software. However, since UK law states that you may NOT circumvent/alter/disable anyone else's proprietary, patented copy-protection mechanisms, which is what MicroSuck is all about, they had a legal right to demand that UK remove that portion of his software ONLY.
Whether or not they threatened or intimated him (which I believe they did) doesn't surprise me in the least, but as I say ... unless LUK or someone else gives more information other than pure speculation, we won't really know what went down.
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Chetwood
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27. November 2005 @ 21:49 |
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they had a legal right to demand that UK remove that portion of his software ONLY.
That's a reiteration, you're right. Still not very informative though. I take it you're no lawyer (as most of us here) so how can you be sure what MV could or could not demand of LUK!?
And even if this were true the outcome is the same, isn't it? They obviously had enough leverage to make LUK! give up all the rights and seize control of his tool. That's what matters.
The only thing I'm astonished about (now I'm reiterating what I've said on other forums) is that LUK! didn't see that coming.
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A_Klingon
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27. November 2005 @ 21:54 |
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All you people who are members and have commented in this section maybe you better check out the ImgBurn site Chat Forum and see exactly what the members there think of AD members and are postings. Very interesting reading including the part where we are all a$$holes. Got to be a member though.......
Thank you! kindly for that 'head's-up', allegra!
Well, you know ... talk is cheap. A/D doesn't need to take a back seat to anyone, however, I did click on the link you gave. But as you say, one has to be a member.
I don't think anyone should have to register on a Forum just to see what the Neighbours are thinking. Since the negative spin (which I didn't see) apparently originated from their quarter, we'll let them come to us to show us the 'error of our ways'.
Besides..... a$$holes aren't all that bad a thing. (We all need at least one, eh?)
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A_Klingon
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27. November 2005 @ 22:02 |
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That's a reiteration, you're right. Still not very informative though.
I agree with you, it's not. Perhaps, with luck, someone -- perhaps even LUK himself -- (I'd love to hear from him) will give us a more definitive answer.
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A_Klingon
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27. November 2005 @ 22:17 |
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My take on DVD Decrypter I am not a lawyer just my way of thinking, as long as it was giving away free by lighning_uk. .... I do not know if Macrovision Corporation has any control of a previous download b-4 the sale.
If it was a sale, Larry. :-)
Well, I'll put it to you this way:
Since MV had no problem "assimilating" DVD Decrypter lock, stock and barrel as it's very own, *I* will have no problem with my continued use -- also lock-stock-&-barrel -- of the program either.
Since I don't make VHS copies of the discs anymore anyway, I couldn't care less if my disc backups contain the MV flag or not.
I simply take it out as a matter of principle.
(I'd love to see a copy of the letter they sent to A/D).
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aabbccdd
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27. November 2005 @ 22:29 |
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maybe we can talk dRD into posting it , its highly unlikly though
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A_Klingon
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27. November 2005 @ 22:45 |
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(You're probably right).
If I'm not mistaken, (I often am), I *think* that LUK must also send a copy of all the "please-remove-DVDD-from your-website" letters back TO MacroSuction, to ensure (prove) that he is complying with their Nazi-like directives.
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aabbccdd
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27. November 2005 @ 23:05 |
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LOL well put A_Klingon ,macrosuction heheh
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