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Worthwhile to burn dvd's lower than max speed?
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svalbard
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25. November 2005 @ 12:01 |
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Hello,
I am interested in making my burns as reliable as possible. I have a 16x capable burner and 16X blank discs. But my question is ...is it ok to burn at this speed? or am i just asking for problems...some guides I have read say don't burn higher than 4x ....but then they might be an old guide. Thank you
My Spec:
P4 2ghz, 512mb, WD120gb, Plextor PX-740A (Firm 1.01), Verbatim AZO+ 16x DVD-R media
DVD43 (3.6.2.111)
DVD Shrink (3.2.0.15)
Pinnacle Instantcopy (8.0.3.0320)
Living Room DVD Player: LG FFH-DV25AD Micro DVD player
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JaguarGod
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25. November 2005 @ 13:23 |
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Yes, you would be asking for problems. Burning at higher speeds increases the possiblity of write errors. This is especially so for cheap media. Stick to 4x burning and use quality media like Verbatim, Taiyo Yuden, or anything Made in Japan (I use Fuji). The errors I am referring to are the ones that cause playback issues like, pauses, artifacts, and freezing. Also disc compatibility decreases. At 4x, you are at the most efficient speed.
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svalbard
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27. November 2005 @ 08:25 |
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Hi JaguarGod,
Thanks for the tip about 4x burning. I'm in no hurry so I'd rather copy at 4x and get them copied right first time. I thought I had been making some poor copies but it has transpired that my living room player has become faulty. i have borrowed another dvd player temporarily and all my copies play fine so I'm well pleased.
There did appear to be slight quality differences in the playback of dvd's I copied via different methodologies. If i burn using e.g DVD Decrypter, or via Nero, or pinnacle Instant DVD should there be any difference?
Is there a hierarchy of what is most important in the copying process e.g decrypting ripping, shrinking, burning?
Also as a final question you mention Taiyo Yuden discs...they seem to be recommended by many people...I live in the UK would you know where i can buy them please? Thanks for all of your help : )
My Spec:
P4 2ghz, 512mb, WD120gb, Plextor PX-740A (Firm 1.01), Verbatim AZO+ 16x DVD-R media
DVD43 (3.6.2.111)
DVD Shrink (3.2.0.15)
Pinnacle Instantcopy (8.0.3.0320)
Living Room DVD Player: LG FFH-DV25AD Micro DVD player
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JaguarGod
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27. November 2005 @ 10:09 |
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Personally, I like to use DVD Decyrpter to burn a movie, however, the new ImgBurn will work the same or better, since it is the same burning engine.
The reason I like Decrypter is that it uses less resources than programs like Nero and Pinnacle. This would free up more of the PC to reduce errors, or at least I think so. Other than that, a program should not make a difference.
In terms of hierarchy, I would think the burn process will be the most important for qualtity in playback, followed by the Compression and then Ripping.
For the burn process, I mean which Media you are using, the drive, your burn speed, and resources. The Taiyo Yuden media I mentioned is of the highest quality and will produce the fewest errors and the most reliable burn. Also, certain drives do not like certain disc manufacturers or do not have a good writing strategy. As mentioned before, reducing burn speed will increase compatibility and reduce errors.
Compression (shrinking) is important because if a movie is compressed incorrectly, there will be problems meating the target size and in the distribution of bits. As long as you use Deep Analysis you should be fine here. Also, it is better to set the target size below 4400MB, but this is more important for lower quality media.
Now, ripping is important, but you only have two possiblities: either it rips or it doesn't. Any type of errors here will usually be related to a disc being scratched or dirty. For movies that you like a lot, make sure you back them up right when you get them. Then store the original and use the backup. If you want to watch the original, go right ahead, but be careful with it. It is better to make a copy of the original than to copy a copy.
As for where to get Taiyo Yuden discs in the UK, I would have no idea. I am guessing that on-line shops should ship anywhere in the world, so you can try places like supermediastore.com, rima.com, etc... I am sure there will be lots of good posts here soon telling you where to go.
Also, if you happen to see Sony or Fujifilm DVD+R 8x that are made in Japan, those will be Taiyo Yuden Discs. Also, Maxell Made in Japan are excellent and most Verbatim discs. I am not too familiar with Verbatim, but Made in Singapore is good for those.
Basically, there are only a few things to remember:
Take care of your originals
Use Deep Analysis
burn at 4x
keep your PC clean (trojans, adware, etc... & resources)
Made in Japan is Good
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spacedust
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27. November 2005 @ 10:30 |
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Most will reccomend 4X becouse it's the safe burn speed for most drives 16X burners is alot of hype for copying movies for most drives. This speed may be fine for just data files. I think you will see some media tested with your drive at 8 and 16 times which looked pretty good. How it plays on stand alone dvd players is for you to experiment with. Check out this link for your drive. http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Reviews/Specific.aspx?ArticleId=14345
Check out the verbatum +R 16x@16X and the Tiyo yuden +R 8X@8X.
Good Luck
Spacedust
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svalbard
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27. November 2005 @ 22:41 |
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Thanks very much JaguarGod and Spacedust for your replies.
I've downloaded imgburn and will check that out as it seems to be getting good reviews and like DVD Decrypter should be low on system resources...Howeveer as normal each answer seems to bring with it new questions e.g
1) Can you have more than one image program installed? e.g many people have Nero and DVD Decrypter installed....but some guides say only have one burn program installed
2) Many users are recommending +R's rather than the -R's that i Use. I picked them at the time as my dvd player would only play -R's. Is one format more reliable than the other in your opinion?
Thanks very much
Spacedust - Thanks very much for the article on my dvd writer ...its a very indepth article and I shall have lots of fun reading it....I'll no doubt end up asking the odd question after i've read it : )
My Spec:
P4 2ghz, 512mb, WD120gb, Plextor PX-740A (Firm 1.01), Verbatim AZO+ 16x DVD-R media
DVD43 (3.6.2.111)
DVD Shrink (3.2.0.15)
Pinnacle Instantcopy (8.0.3.0320)
Living Room DVD Player: LG FFH-DV25AD Micro DVD player
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28. November 2005 @ 04:13 |
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@ svalbard hi :)
you can get all your media in the uk from http://www.svp.co.uk
creaky and i get them from here, very good delivery times and you get what you order
 gif by ireland
we cant help if you wont help yourself This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28. November 2005 @ 04:14
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28. November 2005 @ 07:10 |
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@svalbard
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1) Can you have more than one image program installed? e.g many people have Nero and DVD Decrypter installed....but some guides say only have one burn program installed
2) Many users are recommending +R's rather than the -R's that i Use. I picked them at the time as my dvd player would only play -R's. Is one format more reliable than the other in your opinion?
1. Yes you can have several. They act independently of one another.
2. The reason that +R's are being recommended is that the +R's can be booktyped to DVD-ROM which make them more readable for the various players out there. Commercial DVD movies are booktyped DVD-ROM and by booktyping a backup to DVD-ROM it makes the player think it is a commercial DVD.
Here is a great thread about this:
http://www.k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php
Check your burner and make sure that it has the latest firmware updates. Use the link in my signature block for firmware updates.
If your burner supports booktyping I would recommend it.
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svalbard
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28. November 2005 @ 07:31 |
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Hello and thank you very much for your replies. This forum is great ...i'm learning loads:
gurnard - The svp site seems really good...normally i get my media form dabs or similar...but this site has all the discs you hear about in the forums such as ritek and taiyo yuden. I was thinking is there just a few manufacturers making the discs and then other people brand them. Also in your signature you mention bad media and good media but what category does the bottom 2 come in: datalife plus and Verbatim Advanced azo+ (Good or Best?)
9mmruger1 - Dagnabbit...if i'd have know about this book setting business before i wouldn't have oredered a load of -r's I take it the original movies must be recorded in this way then on a +r but booktyped to DVD-ROM?
Thanks : )
My Spec:
P4 2ghz, 512mb, WD120gb, Plextor PX-740A (Firm 1.01), Verbatim AZO+ 16x DVD-R media
DVD43 (3.6.2.111)
DVD Shrink (3.2.0.15)
Pinnacle Instantcopy (8.0.3.0320)
Living Room DVD Player: LG FFH-DV25AD Micro DVD player
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28. November 2005 @ 07:59 |
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svalbard hi :)
glad you pointed that out to me, it looks like the end bit has gone missing. (strange)
will put right forthwith
it should read...GREAT media
i hope creaky hasn't seen it , he will put the curse of cmc on me. lol
gif by ireland
we cant help if you wont help yourself This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 28. November 2005 @ 08:00
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spacedust
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28. November 2005 @ 14:42 |
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One note on the multiple software instals it's ok to have as many as you want I forget the name of it but I know Nero and ahead has it. When you install this program it runs at start up kinda kool tool but will wreck havac on other programs. You can take files and drag and drop them on the running icon works kinda like a floppy would. basicly you can back up on an RW disk just like you would a floppy. I wish I could remember the names of those programs that come bundled with Nero and ahead, as long as you do not install it you will not have any problems running multiple burning programs.
Good luck
Spacedust
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JaguarGod
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28. November 2005 @ 15:35 |
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For Nero it is called "InCD" for Roxio it is called "Drag to Disc". Good point mentioning that those programs are trouble!!!
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29. November 2005 @ 04:17 |
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@svalbard
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9mmruger1 - Dagnabbit...if i'd have know about this book setting business before i wouldn't have oredered a load of -r's
Dagnabbit - I LOVE that word. Yosemite Sam's favorite. :-)
Now worries though about the -R's as long as their good media and burned slow. They should work.
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svalbard
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29. November 2005 @ 11:40 |
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Hello All,
Just to say many thanks for helping me....I had been uninstalling burning software to try new burning programs...but now that i know it's just the drag and drop RW burn software that can't be mixed that helps a lot.
I shall stick with my -R's until i've used them up and then will give the +R's a go with the booktyping.
Thanks Again,
Svalbard
My Spec:
P4 2ghz, 512mb, WD120gb, Plextor PX-740A (Firm 1.01), Verbatim AZO+ 16x DVD-R media
DVD43 (3.6.2.111)
DVD Shrink (3.2.0.15)
Pinnacle Instantcopy (8.0.3.0320)
Living Room DVD Player: LG FFH-DV25AD Micro DVD player
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