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cvizzle87
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20. December 2005 @ 20:13 |
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What program can be used to keep the menus but simply get rid of the extras? I know you can encode the whole movie in shrink and then look through vobs to find them but you sacrifice compression and when i replace them with a still image i run into problems. These images will sometimes show up where the movie should be.
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20. December 2005 @ 20:50 |
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Why would you need the menus if you don't have the extras?
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20. December 2005 @ 22:49 |
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When done properly that doesn't happen. Edit in Full Disc and select Still Image (Not Still Pictures) as the compression setting for Extras. Editing in Re-author causes the Menu to not function, as many have found out. Leave the Menu and Main Movie alone. That way you have the Menu and Movie and the Extras are edited out. You may see the Still Image, but it shouldn't be in any of the movie files. If you want to go retail, there's a number of apps that will do what you want. DVDCopy 4 from InterVideo is an easy one. That's a favorite of mine. There's a bunch more.
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The answer is simple, with Menu you can still use the Scene Selection feature, which many people like to have.
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20. December 2005 @ 22:57 |
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OK, brobear I'll go along with that.. Just had my head in the wrong place. It's way past my bedtime LOL
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20. December 2005 @ 23:01 |
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Mine to. LOL Oh insomnia... ;)
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21. December 2005 @ 02:25 |
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cvizzle87
You can try AnyDVD and clonedvd2. I have been backing up my tv serial with menu. I got great quality picture with the two programmes with good quality dvd media you are on your way to a good back up. Becos majority of members in AD would agree with me.
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21. December 2005 @ 02:50 |
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I've been around for a little while and I don't think I'll agree, except on the AnyDVD. AnyDVD is an excellent driver decryter. I have CloneDVD2 and I rarely use it. I consider it one of the bunch of other decent retail transcoders I mentioned.
Both AnyDVD and CloneDVD2 are retail and cvizzle87 was using Shrink, a freeware app. With a decent decrypter, Shrink will be good for a while to come, that is if a person wants to stick to freeware. CloneDVD2 is possibly easier and a bit quicker to operate, but it's a stretch to think it's worth the price when Shrink is there for free. But then that's what the marketplace is all about, giving people things they're willing to pay for.
Here's the link for DVDCopy4; InterVideo has a full function trial. As I said, this is one of my favorite transcoders and the one I use when not taking the time to use RB. http://www.InterVideo.com/
The link for the SlySoft trials is http://www.SlySoft.com/ , you can download and try AnyDVD and CloneDVD2 from there. AnyDVD is a keeper. If not familiar with it, read the info at the SlySoft site.
If a person is looking for quality and doesn't mind spending the time, then Rebuilder is an excellent app. When teamed with Cinema Craft Encoder, Pro Coder, or HC it delivers great high quality output, even with the heaviest compression where most transcoders fail. Pay attention to the number of "old timers" around AD that prefer RB/CCE for doing the big jobs or where high quality is desired. Not that CloneDVD2 isn't decent, or Recode2, DVDCopy4, or some others, but RB/CCE is currently right up there at the top or near it.
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21. December 2005 @ 06:24 |
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brobear
Ya, I know you are around a little while and I must admit that DVD Shrink is a good app software. I myself love DVD Shrink very much and it was a app software that I frequently used. But bare in mind that Mr. shrink has gone to work with Nero so DVD Shrink has not been update for sometime since aug 04.
I have both shrink and dvd clonedvd2 in my system and I know the pro and con for the two app.
I am trying to help poor cvizzle87 to get what he wants. AnyDVD plus clonedvd2 can perserve the menu and at the same time getting rid of the extra for good. Why not let him/her try out and decide whether my suggestion is better or yours. Anyway, he can download the trial version from AD and try out, no harm right?
Let that guy decide for himself. I have been in his postion sometime back and I know what he wants. And at the point of time, I was struggling whether to buy dvdclone2. I download the trial version from afterdawn and found it very useful. Both shrink and dvd clonedvd2 has their pro and con. DVD Shrink can link some or many VOB dvd file to one dvd disk while clonedvds just cant do it. On the other hand, clonedvd2 can do a very good job by retaining the menu and getting rid of the unwanted extra when shrink simply cant do it.
Also bare in mind that cwizzle87 is quite new to dvd world and you want him to try out the Rebuilder and Cinema Craft Encoder, Pro Coder, or HC???
brobear,
We all know that we need to take one step at a time just like a baby just born into this world. Please have patient with new comer while they can learn one thing at a time. I am very sure that cvizzle87 will appreciate what you have done for him/her. I myself is still trying to learn from the senior and all the experts here in afterdawn and I pay my dearest respect to them here.
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21. December 2005 @ 08:20 |
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On the other hand, clonedvd2 can do a very good job by retaining the menu and getting rid of the unwanted extra when shrink simply cant do it.
Obviously, you didn't pay attention to my earlier post or learn the new capabilities added to DVD Shrink 3.2. As I pointed out, DVD Shrink can edit in Full Disc and retain a working menu. It's not difficult at all. Granted, it's not as easy as selecting movie only in CloneDVD2, but it's only a couple of clicks of the mouse in Shrink.
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But bare in mind that Mr. shrink has gone to work with Nero so DVD Shrink has not been update for sometime since aug 04.
I am aware of when Shrink was last updated. I was also allowed to use the beta versions of the last Shrink version. Everyone knew it was the last version to be given to the public. I suspect that is why the author put so much into the program. He actually added more features than he said he would when the development of Shrink 3.2 began. So, you don't need to tell me about Shrink. The only thing that is obsolete about the program is the decryption software. Note that most transcoding programs don't have decryption software incorporated into the program. They're separate. Even the CloneDVD2 relies on the AnyDVD for Decryption. I pointed out that failing and also said that AnyDVD was an excellent choice for decryption software. So I see no where at all that I've done any damage to cvizzle87.
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Why not let him/her try out and decide whether my suggestion is better or yours. Anyway, he can download the trial version from AD and try out, no harm right?
If you paid attention to the post prior to yours I posted 2 links that cvizzle87 can use to go directly to SlySoft. If you aren't aware, that is the company that sells AnyDVD and CloneDVD2. If you remember, I said AnyDVD is a keeper. The latest trial apps can be downloaded from there. I also supplied a link to InterVideo where cvizzle87 can check out and download the full function trial of DVDCopy 4. So, it's apparent I have nothing against cvizzle87 trying those apps or any others. Right... no harm.
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Also bare in mind that cwizzle87 is quite new to dvd world and you want him to try out the Rebuilder and Cinema Craft Encoder, Pro Coder, or HC???
Why not, it's no more complex than using Shrink with decryption software like AnyDVD and/or DVD Decrypter and burning with Nero or DVD Decrypter. Rebuilder has an installation program, so that part is no more difficult than loading any other program. AviSynth is required, but that can be downloaded from the Rebuilder site, http://www.DVD-RB.com along with the free HC encoder. So there is a free version with a free encoder. Installing an encoder is like installing any other program. So, it's a simple process, install AviSynth, install the encoder, and install the Rebuilder. Once installed, it's simply a matter of browsing and selecting the files to be encoded. Once set up, the encoding is a matter of pressing one button to start and the program runs by itself. It's not like when the program was in the beta stages and the installation was almost completely manual. Newbies or anyone else can use RB. It's been simplified. You need to learn some more about the programs before you start making judgments of who can use what programs.
I initially started out to help cvizzle87 with the program mentioned in the help request without going to additional apps to confuse the issue. Everybody has their favorite toys and with enough, I'm sure we could really confuse a newbie. Most people learn on the freeware and then are able to make better informed judgements on purchasing retail. I wish someone had pointed me toward Shrink in the beginning and then trials so I could sample various programs. I was already recording when I came to this forum for assistance with a problem. Then one of the elder members took it on himself to treat me like a moron because I had the title of newbie. I respect new members intelligence until they prove otherwise.
We've not even heard back from cvizzle87 to see exactly what is needed or wanted. I've pointed out that what he has is fully functional for what is desired and how to achieve that. As for the other suggestions, we've given some and nothing wrong there. I was pretty much waiting for a response before telling him the varied options. It would have been interesting to see how much of the additional info was needed. In the future I'd suggest you be more informed on the software before you start making statements as to their function and level of difficulty and whether they're obsolete or not.
Happy Holidays.
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21. December 2005 @ 13:27 |
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brobear
You obviously didnt read the thread post by cvizzle87.
What program can be used to keep the menus but simply get rid of the extras?
He want to keep the menu and get rid of the extra. Can shrink do it?
Shrink can only provide a still image. By edit the full disk will keep the menu and the extra. Note he want the menu not the extra.
I yourself didnt read the thread properly. Please correct yourself before your comment on other.
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21. December 2005 @ 13:31 |
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brobear
Please read cvizzle87 he wants the menu not the extra with menu.
Please tell me can shrink alone do it? Please read the sentence properly before correcting other. Shrink will only do a still image.
It can keep menu with extra and not menu alone.
You are using shrink for so long dont tell me you dont know this by now.
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21. December 2005 @ 16:56 |
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No need to post it twice. As I said, what he has will do the job. Still image was intentionally added in 3.2 as an editing feature. It is unique to 3.2 and many people are unaware because there were no complete guides written for 3.2. All the user needs to do is open Shrink as they normally would. Choose Full Disc. Click on Extras, which will then be highlighted in blue. Under Compression select Still Image, not Still Pictures, and that replaces Extras with the 152KB Still Image. Note the screenshot below.
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Note that Shrink 3.2 is fully capable of retaining the Menu while editing out Extras.
To do a bit more editing in Full Disc the user needs to click on Main Movie and then uncheck the unneeded language support for the movie under Audio and Subpicture. Do the same for menus. The example below will show what I'm referring to.
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In the example I just showed you, I retained a fully functional Menu while editing out Extras. Using the still image as an editing tool, I removed the 9MB Extras folder and replaced it with the 152KB image. So, that's about 9MB off the compression hit list and the wanted functional menu that you say Shrink can't supply while editing. I suggest you rethink your stance on that one. More importantly editing the Audio and Subpicture lowers compression with the significant removal of unneeded Audio sound tracks and Subpictures when they're present. In the example, there was an easy 470MB that could be dropped.
That is how you do what you say isn't possible. It's easy in DVD Shrink v3.2. I was giving the most direct answer to cvizzle87 with the software he already appeared to be a little familiar with. At least he knew the name and it is a good freeware. We discussed it's only limitation and that option isn't even present in many of the retail apps, so that doesn't detract from the value of the program. There's nothing wrong with trying the trials, but at this point, unless cvizzle87 wants to spend money unnecessarily, Shrink will provide exactly what he wants. I'm glad to see you're looking out for cvizzle87's interests, but at this point he hasn't even been back to acknowledge exactly what his further needs might be. Note I also supplied links for some trials with access to info on the trials. It appears you''re more interested in contradicting what I have to say because I disagree with your statements about Shrink's abilities. As I've shown, I was right about it keeping functional Menus while removing Extras. Next time be more sure before contradicting someone on the function of software. Ask "how" instead of saying it won't work. You asked while stating I was wrong, hope you enjoy the informative answer. That should help cvizzle87 as well.
Happy Holidays
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21. December 2005 @ 17:05 |
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I am so glad I read this thread. Both humorous and useful. Thanks brobear
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21. December 2005 @ 17:14 |
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Never, Never awaken a sleeping Bear! LOL
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21. December 2005 @ 17:17 |
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You're welcome. I try to keep things light when doing a thread with a complete explanation for the "unbelievers". LOL This is the first time I presented this explanation of how 3.2 works with editing in Full Disc along with the screenshots. You'd be surprised how few know it actually does this. I'm saving the link to this thread for use when a discussion of the same topic comes up again.
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21. December 2005 @ 17:20 |
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Never, Never awaken a sleeping Bear! LOL
2oldGeek
With age comes wisdom. LOL You must be aged. ;) LOL Your avatar seems appropriate.
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21. December 2005 @ 17:39 |
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Thanks Bro, for the ?little? reminder, I knew Still Image was there but haven?t used it in so long, I forgot. HeHe
Normally if I decide to do a whole movie, including the menus and extras, I will set the menus at Still Pictures and then set Custom Ratio for Maximum compression on both menus and extras. That gives me more space for the movie. I then run it through Deep analysis and AEC.. Works for me?.
Drive a nail in this thread..
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21. December 2005 @ 17:57 |
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Menus are so small, editing them is negligible and they're usually what the user wants when editing in Full Disc. If the functional menu isn't a priority, working in Re-author is usually preferrable. When I do take the time to edit Menus in Full Disc (normally I leave it alone), I use Custom Ratio and drop the compression that way. I'm reluctant to use Still Pictures with video, even in Menus. Normally you can come within about 100MB with Custom Ratio and the video still flows. With the extras eliminated with Still Image, and Menus minimized using Custom Ratio, leaving the Main Menu with Automatic for the Compression Setting allows the program to maximize the remaining space for the movie. That along with the Quality Settings you mentioned and I've always come out with a good backup (with no Extras and a fully functional Menu).
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Drive a nail in this thread..
LOL Is my memory failing??? I thought I mentioned I already had. LOL
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21. December 2005 @ 18:30 |
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This is just a habit that I got into back before I would break down and buy a DL Disc. Now that the price has come down, somewhat, if I want it all then a DL takes care of it.
I know, the space you save on a menu by using Still Pictures is negligible but I can?t help thinking about the story of the Old Man peeing in the ocean while his wife was drowning, ?Every little bit Helps!?
Thanks, and yes I knew you said you were saving the thread. I was just re-enforcing it. Every little bit helps.. LOL
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21. December 2005 @ 18:47 |
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brobear
You still do not understand what I meant. Clonedvd2 has done a very good and clear cut job with only the menu and the main movie without the still image and nothing else. I think I have made myself very clear now....
The extras thing that in the source dvd disk can appear in front of the movie or after the movie. Dont you feel strange to see the still image in front the movie before the movie start. Well, to be honest I dont like that.
I have tried this using this method before and I found it weird having the still image before the show start.
I am not trying to argue with you and I am trying to prove to you that clonedvd2 has done a very good job by retaining the menu and the main movie only minus off that strange still image done by shrink.
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21. December 2005 @ 18:55 |
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brobear
To be honest, you are not getting rid of the extra, you are only replacing the extra with still image. To getting rid of extra and replacing with still image is two different stories.
Well, I hope you fully understand what I meant.
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21. December 2005 @ 18:59 |
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brobear
With this, I rest my case.....
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22. December 2005 @ 01:16 |
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You should have rested your case before you started it. I never questioned CloneDVD2's ability to do Movie Only while retaining the menu. Nice try at shifting the discussion though. It was you who said that Shrink wouldn't retain menus while editing extras. I said there was a bunch of apps that would do it. Quote:
If you want to go retail, there's a number of apps that will do what you want. DVDCopy 4 from InterVideo is an easy one. That's a favorite of mine. There's a bunch more.
You can continue your interpretation of the functions of Shrink, but those intelligent enough to read can realize the truth for themselves. As for seeing the still image where ever it appears is no different to me than seeing the copyright warning. I could edit that out as well, but why bother. As I noted before, I was directing my statement toward what cvizzle87 brought to the table. As you can see, we've managed to construct a rather large page with his one inquiry. LOL At least I've been informative.
I don't mind your mention of CloneDVD2, it's a decent app. As I noted before, we all have our favorite toys. Nothing wrong there either, we often choose the software we use by that criteria; functional and an interface we favor. So, enjoy your CloneDVD2, I'd never try to change your opinion. As I stated before, I prefer DVDCopy 4, Recode 2, and RB/CCE for my projects. I've used DVD Shrink in the past and just thought I'd correct the record on the apps correct usage. Shrink can edit in Full Disc and retain a functional menu.
I'd suggest you stop being negative and trying to win some kind of debate. There never was one. LOL
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22. December 2005 @ 02:14 |
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2oldGeek,
I wasn't criticizing the way you do your editing. That falls under the personal favorites category. The controls are there and if you choose to tweak as far as you can, no foul. I just noted a slightly different method; so close that using the compression settings we noted is just splitting hairs. As for every little bit helping, I go by the theory of diminishing returns. At some point the more we work, the less we get out of it. Just a slightly different point of view and nothing wrong with either one.
On that "nailing the thread", I was just using a bit of rhetoric while kidding around. I'm actually old enough to start forgetting things. Not knowing my age, you may have missed that part of the humor.
Interesting you mentioned DL Discs and pricing. I still think they're a bit high, but I'm considering breaking down and using some to backup my more favorite movies. I like some of the old classic blockbusters, like "The Quiet Man" and "Lawrence of Arabia". Have you tried that program I mentioned, Rebuilder? I can take one of those huge movies and just leave out unwanted language support and additional sound tracks, which the program can be set to do automatically, and do the full disc with excellent results. I watch the backups on a 60 inch screen and they look good to me. Just to be trying something different, you should give it a try. If you want some help tweaking the settings, just ask. I rarely mind helping. Here at AD, Rebuilder has it's own forum and one of the longest threads on AD. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/119/97052
Many of us are using CCE with Rebuilder Pro, but it can be tried out with the free Rebuilder and HC encoder. It works with other transcodrs as well. You can do a read on it at http://www.dvd-rb.com where you can download all you need to get started. If you want to see how it works with CCE, you can download the CCE SP trial from one of the sales sites. The Basic trial times out, I don't see why they even offer that trial. The CCE SP trial is pretty much full function as far as using with RB. It does leave a logo on the video output, but you can get an idea of the video quality. The retail basic uses a similar burning engine as the CCE SP, only the basic is limited to 2 passes on the files. At nearly $1900 US difference you can see why most people use the basic retail version.
I'm impressed with RB and for the big projects I've been using it for DVD5 instead of buying the more expensive DL media. Worth a look, you might like it and as I said, there's plenty of helpful AD members on the RB forum. Come over and visit sometime. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/119/97052
It's quite over there for now. RB after the beta development has quitened down on needing help, it's almost automatic. We're busy wishing everyone Merry Christmas over there now. Which reminds me...
Merry Christmas 2oldGeek and the rest of you here on this thread and at AD. Have a good one...
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22. December 2005 @ 02:54 |
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I strongly feel that you are the one who wants to win the dedate rather than me. For me I am trying to help cvizzle87 to get what he wants. I hope you can grow up somehow and stop being behaving like kids. I already told you that I love DVD Shrink very much. What I am trying to bring across is that clonedvd2 in this case does a better job than DVD Shrink that' all....
If you like the still image provide by shrink just be it and you dont have to make a fuss about it.
Anyway, shrink only replaces extra with still images and does not have the abilities to remove extra...
I am not trying to win the dedate but speaking the truth.
If you are not happy just be it.
For your information, I was never before trying to compete with you or trying to dedate with you in the first place. I am trying to talk some senses unto you. I do not intend to convince you to accept my opinions anyway.
I have already told you to let cvizzle87 decide what he wants, did I not?
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