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Cheap media 12x max that actually works
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TimKizzle
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26. December 2005 @ 18:18 |
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OK, here is the deal. a couple months ago, i went to staples and found these noname brand called "Imation" that is actually very high quality
before i had bought other media that cost more and maxed out at 8x, but these were 12x and ver good
none of the 100 discs in the pack malfunctioned
while they are labled at 8x, these puppies actually burn up to 12x, which is wierd, but i dont care ; )
anywayz, most say that you should burn at 4x w/reletivly expensive verbatims, but these are just as good, and at 12x, they are difficult the distinguish form 16x, a 1-2 minute difference
in conclusion, buy these instead of verbatims or whatever else because they are superior in quality and much cheaper too, they were even less than the staples brand lol
ps, they cost about 25 dollars for all 100 of them
happy burning,
and happy late winter soltice (dec 21-22) lol
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neodave
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26. December 2005 @ 18:41 |
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Don't kid yourself. Quality is measured over time. Not by 'Burn Successful' at the end of Nero's process. Imation is not high quality media. It is your money and time however to do with as you choose. Happy burning.
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26. December 2005 @ 19:55 |
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in conclusion, buy these instead of verbatims or whatever else because they are superior in quality and much cheaper too
NOW THAT is a FALSE statement if i EVER heard/read one~!!
there is NO WAY that Imation brand dvds are superior in quality than Verbatims...i am willing to take that to the grave!
LOL
but, it's YOUR money and your backups, don't come crying to us when you can't play them next week/next month/further down the road...i assure you, burning CRAPPY a$$ imations @ 12x, they WILL deteriorate and you will see that you have wasted your money and time later in the future...
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
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26. December 2005 @ 19:59 |
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Imation? Junk! Believe it. Not even close to Verbatim Quality.
Docty~ & neodave are correct. A waste of Money? YES.
Use The Best Media for The Best Burns! TYs, Verbs,(Made in Taiwan) Sony MIJs (YUDEN000 T02), Sony Made in Taiwan DVD+R 16x, Maxell MIJ, RITEK G05.
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TimKizzle
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26. December 2005 @ 20:17 |
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ok, sorry, not trying to offend you guys ! lol
im not clear on this i guess, my claims are based soley on my past experiences and i believe that the money i spent came with media that did not have errors when burning
please explain how verbatims are so much better, im genuinly interested, and please dont just link me somewhere else, id prefer a comparison of the imation and verbatim
thanks guys, dont get me wrong, i just thought for my non-superarchival purposes this media was a better value
happy holidays
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26. December 2005 @ 23:15 |
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"Imation", I've heard of them, but I wouldn't buy them. Again, my top 3 choices of high quality media are Taiyo Yudn, Verbatim "advanced azo" or "datalife plus" and Maxell (made in japan by Hitachi Corp.) - these are top notch, and of course, they are extremely standing strong.
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27. December 2005 @ 01:18 |
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Sure I learned the hard way with Imation & memosuxs the movies burn,t fine and played a couple of times and then started going south started freezing etc. not counting the coasters that didn,t make it. After joining this great forum and finding out about disc testing I put some through the Plextor testing and got the bad media reading and bad recording in all three sectors.The switch to Verbatim as suggested by the Gods of After Dawn and their super great guides have this newbie burning great. Bottom line buy the good stuff and save money in the long run. Happy Holidays
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ScubaBud
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27. December 2005 @ 02:30 |
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@TimKizzle
I for one would like to know the media code of those Imation DVD's to see who they are made by or just for future reference. Could you please post it here in this thread for us? You never know, they might be made by a quality vendor for Imation!
I prefer quality media and currently only use TY+R 8X or TY-R 8X. Both of these media were purchased delivered to my door for under 40 cents per piece so why take any chance with hit or miss.
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27. December 2005 @ 02:41 |
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Imation - ugh!, we can't even get them to burn without CRC errors at work, for simple data use. See here for reasons to watch out for Imation, you may have struck lucky this time and fallen on a decent batch - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/232406
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27. December 2005 @ 03:39 |
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The Imations i had were made by CMC and quality shouldn't even be in the same sentence with them unless it was proceeded by BAD. It is all fine and good for someone to come in here and say brand X media is better than Verbatims, but the pressure should be on the one who claims cheap media is better, to prove it. Not the other way around. Make some counter claim that bad media is good, and you have to prove that statement with more than words.
This sounds just like the "burning at 16x is better" argument in another thread. Came down to posting pif scans and the 16x burner chickened out, wouldn't post a 16x scan with less errors than a 4x scan. Proof is required, not a lot of hot air. Verbs and Tys will scan better than any Imation CMC crap out there, and the Verbs & Tys will last. I have seen this with my own discs. (yes, i once believed memorex was good media, and i paid for that thought)
Just because something makes it past a burn, and maybe even plays back OK doesn't mean that cheap media is superior to Verbatim and Tayio Yudens. That is just an opinion, not a fact, and having an opinon is fine. Just don't go around telling everyone to dump Verbs and go to imation without some damn good proof. Words wont cut it. YOU prove your Imation junk is better, if you want converts. I don't keep a lot of crap media lying around (other than coasters) and don't plan on having any of it around as burnable blanks either. Anyways, i have seen the difference between good and bad media, in playback, pif scans, crc error checks, and just which discs survive over time. Imation is never on the label. Verbatim and Tayio Yuden media are always there in the end, playing away, while the CMCs make very good coasters.
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rawvid
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1. January 2006 @ 02:07 |
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I burn CMC MAG E01 blanks at 4x (rating 8x). I have sourced these from spindles badged by TDK and Dick Smith. A LITE-ON DVDRW LDW-851S was used to burn.
I get pif scans down to an average of 0-2 most of the time as measured by DVDInfoPro. (Results would be markedly worse at other burn speeds & also if the pif scan is done on a different drive).
Whilst not wishing to disagree with your experience Maxburn, that seems pretty good to me and at least some CMC disks are ok. I'm inclined to stick to them as I am getting good results.
As for degradation over time, I pif scan every disc I burn so I can re-scan any disc in the future and evaluate if there is any deteriation (and reburn if there is).
Put this analness down to me being a database administrator and integrity of data is everything in that job. You would not expect to put data onto tape and still find it there 10 years later. You would have a recycling process.
I haven't implemented a pif re-scan process as yet since my oldest discs are only 9 months.
As yet, these CMC disks have shown no degradation over 9 months.
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1. January 2006 @ 02:34 |
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@rawvid -
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Put this analness down to me being a database administrator and integrity of data is everything in that job. You would not expect to put data onto tape and still find it there 10 years later. You would have a recycling process.
- i hear ya, my background is Computer Operations, and a lot of that time was dealing with the famous 12inch reel tapes, boy did they keep us busy, the countless times we used to strip off a few inches/feet off the start of a tape and stick on new 'BOT' markers so the tape could be reused, never mind the times we couldn't get data back off tapes also. Anyway winding forward some years i'm a Unix Admin and my favourite subject/primary objective in my firm is data integrity (ie backups/restores). We now use LTO Ultrium 1's and they are incredibly reliable (we have tapes that are used night after night and are 3years old now, some of them have been used 100s of times). We also do all our database refreshes via restoring from my overnight backups, these restores trawl thru tapes for like 9hours at a time. We just don't have data integrity problems from tape and we've been doing this for 5yrs, many, many times a year. (i'm very anal about backup/restores much to the chagrin of at least one of our database guys, but my efforts pay off. the database guys worry about their databases and i worry about the underlying backups/importance of them to the actual business). Previous to that we used the standard and proverbial DLT 4 tapes, i had quite a bit of trouble with them, though some of that wasn't due to the tape media. But anyway i make sure all our settings (ie software/firmware and hardware) are all working optimally and in some ways it's the same as DVD burning. And i still stick to a lot of my old ways when it comes to burning/advice i churn out to others.
Anyway i don't mean to veer off top topic too much, but it's good to see someone having success with CMC media, here at Afterdawn i have dissected 1000's of burn logs containing CMC DVD's of various flavours and they just prove too troublesome for too many ppl for me to ever trust them or ever allow me to recommend ppl use them.
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rawvid
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1. January 2006 @ 15:36 |
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Sounds like you've got your site set up right! Certainly better than most. I started with unreliable 200bpi tapes and it influences your attitude later.
I also started with a very poor brand of dvd blanks. I never successfully burnt a single one. So they made the TDK CMC's look pretty good when I got them. The truth is that I've debugged to my equipment also. If it wasn't for DVDInfoPro I'd be still burning bad images.
What I worry about though are those people who use dvd for data backup and who don't realise just how weak their backup strategy might be.
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4. January 2006 @ 07:29 |
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rawvid
Im glad you like CMC. I hate the discs, not the ppl who use them. In my case the CMCs pif scanned great. No CRC errors at first. Proper storage conditions, and 6 months later a good CMC turned in to an unreadable CRC filled disc. The only thing i can explain this one with is dye rot. Whatever CMC used for the dye in this disc had a life span of 6 months in my case. It only happened on a few CMCs, but that was enough for me to stop using them forever. The way you are checking discs stored, will probably save you from my situation. I know this isn't a scientific test, but it was good enough to get me to switch to good media. And i don't have any problems with the good media's dye rotting. That is why i never suggest to use CMC as your media. It burnt me, not the discs :).
Die CMC Mag!!!
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rawvid
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5. January 2006 @ 21:26 |
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Thanks Maxburn. I didn't think the cat with the tommy gun was aiming at me. Technical discussions are technical discussions. Even if opposed, play the ball and not the man etc.
Quite alarming that you experienced sudden catastrophic failure. It would make me unforgiving too.
I haven't heard the term die rot previously but being having been burnt many times I am always suspicious and untrusting.
That's why I am trying to manage my discs in a fault tolerant way.
I'll tryout some verbatim's just to see anyway.
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