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ClipsKid
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11. January 2006 @ 23:09 |
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Can anyone recomend a program like Anydvd that does not require $$$$$ or point me in the right direction. Sorry if I posted in the wrong place.
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12. January 2006 @ 00:07 |
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Clipskid,
Easy and cheap?. Use this Guide:
http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/petesguide13.html
It uses DVDDecrypter and DVDShrink, both FREE
Flllow the Guide Verbatim (no pun but that?s a very good Disc to use also )
It Shows how to use DVDDecrypter in the ISO Read R Mode and that will take care of any copy protection that the Movie may have?
Don?t believe it could be so simple? Try it, it works!
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colw
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12. January 2006 @ 01:35 |
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DVD43 is also a useful, free program.
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12. January 2006 @ 01:48 |
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@colw,
True, but DVD43 runs way behind on their updates and most of the time won?t handle the newest Movies..
Using the Guide by Scuba Pete with DVDDecrypter in the ISO Read R Mode you will be able to copy any protection there is and not have to run DVD43 or Buy AnyDVD??
It?s all FREE and simple?..
The Only problem that I can see is that Scuba?s Guide don?t have many Pictures and it?s like pulling teeth from a chicken to get some ppl to read ANYTHING???.
Check my Signature..
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12. January 2006 @ 01:48 |
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DVDFab Decrypter Has Its Place...
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12. January 2006 @ 02:03 |
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True Fab has it?s place.
It also Rips in the file mode which can cause problems, like bad structure errors, if it?s not kept updated?.
DVDDecrypter can Rip in the ISO Mode, that is bit by bit, and not have any problems with missing sectors, etc. because it don?t look at them as files and the file handling routines in windows corrects it once it has been ripped to the HD...
The ISO Read Mode in Decrypter has been overlooked for a long time because all the Guides were telling you to rip in the File F Mode...
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12. January 2006 @ 02:16 |
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true...
thanx for the info 2OldGeek
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12. January 2006 @ 02:28 |
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You?re welcome?
Yall come back now, ya hear?
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12. January 2006 @ 02:33 |
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nice...
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12. January 2006 @ 03:01 |
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@2oldGeek
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DVDDecrypter can Rip in the ISO Mode, that is bit by bit, and not have any problems with missing sectors, etc. because it don?t look at them as files and the file handling routines in windows corrects it once it has been ripped to the HD...
The ISO Read Mode in Decrypter has been overlooked for a long time because all the Guides were telling you to rip in the File F Mode...
I know from reading here on AD that the above is true, yet does the ISO Read mode do more than what the File F mode does, or vice versa? - what's the difference? - what does one do that the other doesn't, or is that not the case?
Which mode would you recommend to use?
Please let me know - I look forward to your response.
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Happy37
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12. January 2006 @ 03:07 |
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I used the ISO read mode last night on Serenity. It worked like a charm.
The only issue that some might notice is that there is the conflict with the origonal DVDD ISO name being the same as the DVDShrink ISO name when shrinking the DVDD ISO. I simply created a new folder within the DVDD folder to put it in. This might cause a novice some confusion in the backup process in shrink.
Example: DVDdecrypter ISO read created the Serenity ISO file.
After backing up with DVDShrink, DVDShrink creates a Serenity ISO file.
You will either have to rename the shrink ISO or put it into a different folder. Renaming will be easier in the future.
Cheers.
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12. January 2006 @ 13:42 |
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Happy37,
Please, no long technical explanation? LOL
Lets just say the difference is that the File F mode looks at each individual file and when Rip Guard has changed the information about the file, that is it has changed it so a file handling system, like File F, thinks it?s not there and cannot copy it?
The ISO Mode, on the other hand, does not look at the disc as files, but as one big 8GB+ file and reads it bit by bit, byte for byte and doesn?t care what the information about the files or sectors says..
Basically, its just gathering the data from the disk without checking it or counting bits, and overlooks errors that have been placed there to try and keep it from being copied..
Learn to use the ISO, read and write mode and you?ll be able to overcome any copy protection they throw at you.. And that?s why I always recommend it?
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17. January 2006 @ 02:35 |
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2oldGeek
Many thanks for your reply and for making this clear.
I have already used the ISO Read/ISO Write modes to burn my discs to Verbatim DVD+R DL discs and it has worked fine so far, with some exception(s).
I thought that I was told to set the booktype to DVD-ROM to ensure maximum compatibility with other DVD players???
I have successfully backed up/copied 15 of my movies so far using the Verbatim DVD+R DL 2.4x speed media and I set the booktype to DVD-ROM and they work okay in my PC as well as my Pioneer standalone player.
These do not work/did not work if I had left the booktype as DVD+R DL.
Yet, having said that, I also have got another 11 copies of my movies that I've left as DVD+R DL booktype and they ALL work in my standalone Pioneer player, so what is going on?
These do not work/did not work if I had left the booktype as DVD-ROM.
What should I be setting the booktype setting to by default? - shall I leave it as DVD-ROM, or shall I leave it as DVD+R DL?
I have also got 2 other movies that I have not backed up as yet as my rewriter needed to be replaced - I have since replaced my Sony DW-D22A rewriter with the Sony DRU-800A rewriter and have burnt one previous, failed disc as a DVD-ROM and it plays fine on my PC and the standalone player.
I have yet to attempt to burn the 2 remaining discs, yet what should I be setting the booktype setting to by default? - shall I leave it as DVD-ROM, or shall I leave it as DVD+R DL?
I look forward to a response and any advice and suggestions that you may wish to pass on.
Thanks for your help.
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Happy37
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17. January 2006 @ 04:06 |
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Happy37,
At my age, I always say just KISS it. (Keep It Simple Stupid) LOL
When I copy (backup) a Disc I use the easiest method possible?
If you have problems with a certain Movie/Disc then use alternate methods and usually one of them will work. If not, then there is a problem with Dirty, Scratched or Bad pressing.. Then the best alternative is to replace the disc.
Read this:
http://www.k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php#BitSettingLinks
It tells about bitsetting/Booktyping
My Drive is capable of Booktyping all the DVD +R discs that I burn to be DVD-ROM, by default.. This simple makes them more compatible with all of the Players on the market, both new and old.. If the Players that you use are comfortable with the DVD +R format then don?t even worry about it He He. I prefer to booktype everything I burn to DVD-ROM because some of my Grandkids have players that just do not like the +R format?
Old dude..
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17. January 2006 @ 22:14 |
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you know what they say, old people have more experience. lol
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17. January 2006 @ 22:24 |
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Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment.
You reach the point where everything either Dries up or Leaks. LOL
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17. January 2006 @ 23:12 |
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lol
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18. January 2006 @ 04:07 |
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It is true that ISO mode captures the whole image, but you cannot alter that file once it is done. So if you have a protected disk you just get the blanked cells that cannot be changed. If you rip in file mode the IFO can be editted to get rid of the bad cells. It is fine to rip in ISO for movies that do not have the new protection,
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Don't use ISO mode in DVD Decrypter:
The protection isn't removed in that mode by default - because ISO mode is generally for 1:1 copies where protection therefore doesn't need to be removed.
If you process the ISO with DVD Shrink rather than ripping in File mode and processing the files, you will indeed have a blank area.
So basically, either you learn to rip in File mode, or you enable the 'Remove IFO Structure Protection' option on the 'ISO Read' tab in the settings.
Unless you have a specific need for ripping to an ISO, you should use File mode in DVD Decrypter
http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=48842
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18. January 2006 @ 04:27 |
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I like DVD43 for free version. Only a coulpe of movies it had a hard time with. They don't update as often, but what do you want when you get the product for free?
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18. January 2006 @ 05:08 |
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@arniebear,
Oh how misinformation makes it?s way through the channels? LOL
Whoever wrote the quote is NOT a programmer and Does Not understand how the File handling routines in Windows works?.. IT?S COMPLETELY WRONG!!!
Think about this: When you make a 1:1 copy of a Protected Disk to a DL disc using say DVDDecrypter in the ISO Read then ISO Write Mode, you are able to do this without running any other software that will remove the New Protections that Decrypter does not handle.. Once the 1:1 copy has been burned put it in and copy it, IT HAS NO PROTECTION! It is no longer there? Where did it go?
The only way to protect a disc from being copied is to change the information that tells the File handling routines where the information is on the disc. By changing the information, on the disc, so that it tells it there is no sector there then the file handling routine will be confused and just throw up?.
The ISO Read routine, on the other hand, does not use this file information it simply reads the whole dam disc as one big 8GB+ file one byte at a time and doesn?t break it into smaller files.
Once it has been loaded to the computer, the routines in Windows look it over, break it into smaller files and correct the bad information. Thereby REMOVING the copy protection?..
I am a programmer since 1965 now retired but have known this since the days that they were trying to protect programs on 5 ¼? floppy discs. It didn?t work then and it doesn?t work now.. We use to change the disc information on those floppies to remove the protection, they were re-writeable, but you can?t write to a pressed DVD so the way to remove it is to let the routines in windows do it for you by reading in the whole DVD with a good ISO reading program like DVDDecrypter and then writing it back to another disc.
When you read the disc using the File mode then it?s broken into smaller files and the Windows routines just leave it alone.. Shrink will see one of the ?Blank? sectors and don?t know when to stop trying to copy it and you will get an out of memory error.
Don?t believe me?
Take one of the New protected discs like Brothers Grimm, or Sky High or whatever, Rip it with DVDDecrypter in the ISO Read Mode, then open it with DVDShrink in the File -> Open Disc Image and do what you wish with it. You?ll see that it has no protection and Shrink can handle it..
Now do the same thing with Decrypter in the File F Mode.
Shrink will not be able to handle this one because the protection is still there..
I am a Programmer, Not a writer so, If this cannot be understood I apologize, but it?s the best explanation that I can come up with, without getting down in the technical cesspool.. LOL
Edited so I can add one more thing..
If you do Rip in the File F mode and the bad sectors are still there, you can run it thru VobBlanker and it will do the same thing that the windows routines do. That is correct the bad sector information to remove the copy protection?
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UncasMS_3
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18. January 2006 @ 08:33 |
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since you say you're a programmer and that's supposed to make your statesments sound a little more convincing let me ask you a simple question:
why did you never tell people like the mad monk that they are wasting their times writing stupid (because not necessary) applications like his PSL2 plugin to make dvdd handle latest arcos dvds when all we should do is using iso mode?
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18. January 2006 @ 09:38 |
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@UncasMS_3,
Maybe that?s why he?s known as the ?Mad Monk?.
I am not trying to convince you are anyone else, I am just stating Facts and like I said TRY IT! Until you?ve tried it don?t knock it.. LOL
You can use PSL2 plugins or VobBlanker or any other method you care to if it works for you then like they say: If it feels good, DO IT!
Most ppl think if it?s that simple and you don?t have to use 7 or 8 different programs and perform a lot of Geek crap then it?s not going to work?
All I can say is TRY IT! Do This: Download the following Guide:
http://www.dvdplusvideo.com/petesguide13.html
Read it well because it don?t have pretty pictures to go by.
It uses DVDDecrypter in the ISO R mode, and will copy any new protection out there without any other help..
Make a backup of your most protected disk, your choice, and then, if it doesn?t work come back and tell me that I?m full of BS.
Until then, if you?re not open minded enough to try something as simple as I have lain out before making an arbitrary decision about it, then just keep peeing on the fence..
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xp235
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18. January 2006 @ 11:06 |
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Does it matter which version of windows one uses? xp home xp pro??
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18. January 2006 @ 11:21 |
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No, it doesn?t matter.. As a matter of fact, Windows 3.1 had the same basic routines except it couldn?t handle a 8GB file like XP can?. LOL
About the only drawback would be a FAT / FAT32 etc. file system. It must be using the NTFS filing system to handle a file over 4GB.
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18. January 2006 @ 14:20 |
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2oldGeek
First let me say that CSS Decryption has absolutely nothing to do with whether it's file mode or ISO mode (International Standards Organization)! Same move but with different packaging. Now since you've stated that Quote:
The ISO Read routine, on the other hand, does not use this file information it simply reads the whole dam disc as one big 8GB+ file one byte at a time and doesn?t break it into smaller files.
Perhaps you could tell how you go about editing an ISO movie before burning?
Let's do a little experiment. Load a store bought DVD into your computers drive, locate your drive, and then right click on it. Choose explorer and then tell us what the first thing that you see is. I believe that it will be a VIDEO_TS folder. Now once you've burned it using ISO you will still see the same thing but having access to those folders before the burn opens it up to editing.
Why is there a problem with ripping a DVD in the same format that it rests in its media. If you're just going to rip and burn then ISO and File mode are more or less equal but if your going to start editing it to remove the crap, then file mode is better.
To assume that none of us have ever used ISO mode before is pure arrogance of the first order, we've just grown accustomed to appreciate the added flexibility that file mode offers.
Now one last thing that link to the guide proved nothing. I like scubapete and he helped a lot of people here, but he wasn't the most knowledgeable when it came to DVD structure (Sorry Pete no slur intended). I appreciate your programing background but a knowledge in Fortran isn't much help when looking at a DVD's structure. Like I said same movie different packaging, but file mode is better for editing which I do often.
BTW, welcome to AD.
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