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*edited somewhat uncalled for! :)*
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18. January 2006 @ 15:01 |
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According to my understanding and experiences, both Mode, File F or Mode, Iso, Read are likely to bypass and or rip the movies successfully into the hard drive, if the individual knows how to use it (DVD Decrypter).
However, I'll have to slightly agree with Sophocles that ripping with Mode, File F when using DVD Decrypter is better because you'll have more control over the movie (VIDEO_TS or IFO file) once it's successfully ripped. You can easily edit, cut, preview/view,play, blank out scenes, crap "bad/fake cells, pgcs, sectors, ect.", or any unwanted stuff with VobBlanker, FixVTS, PSL2 plugin, and IFOEdit.
Just passing by that's all.
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@ 2oldGeek hello I've seen you around for a little while now mostly pretty helpful!
now tell me on what basis you are stating that your finding's have any truth whatsoever to them I'm confused is this some type of stunt???
why would you purposefully lead so many astray??
or do you seriously think that 300,000 beta's that helped to build this program are just full of it?? or just to stupid to realize this!
why were there ever updates to the program if a simple iso read could take care of any protection that will be created!
why is this forum full of ppl asking how to do certain titles!
alot of us have been here in the forefront giving alot our time to helping engineer new creative way's around this and guiding ppl that need our help
when all we really need is one thread stating use iso read!
what programs are you fully or parltly responsible for creating maintaining, developing???
most of us have been here for the last several yearshelping ppl do just this dvd back-up! not programming, not in the 60's but here and now! this is much like henry ford saying that he knows everything about and could rebuild a lamborghini or a mig 1 jet for that matter!(he's dead you know) you didn't have window's in the 60's bud!
we really appreciate somebody coming in here a matter of months ago and asking how do I use this and a month later tell ppl that these the guy's that taught me how are all abunch of moron's
I personally appreciate it that my time spent here is all for naught when ppl come here and spread these rumor's we encourage newb's to help out when they can but if there pumped full of it we end up having to chase them around and correct prob's
so thnx for you programming expertise!!
thnx alot l8ter!
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18. January 2006 @ 15:24 |
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Well, I'm gonna chime in if I may.
I don't want to add fuel to the fire nor to take sides but... so far, knock on wood, ISO mode in DVDDecrypter worked like a charm even on Sony movies. As far as reauthoring goes just DVDShrink or Nero was able to handle the task. Just my 2c.
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I did madagascar in file mode!there are several zones within region's and each one seems to have been tested differently with different protection's
I think they are still trying to find a way to use arcoss effectively!
The point is to find one that doesn't work then try it in iso
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18. January 2006 @ 15:55 |
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2old
A picture paints a thousand words.
With this part you can edit the buttons to keep only those parts of the menu that you want. You can also add your own buttons.
Another view of possible edits that can be made to the DVD's Structure. You'll note that to the left you can identify the various PGC chains mentioned earlier. I can if I choose to only remove the FBI and Interpol splash screens. I can use it to edit out multi angles, in fact with this I can strip a DVD apart.
Now I would like you to tell how to do it in ISO mode.
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18. January 2006 @ 18:12 |
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Point & counterpoint.
I've learned a few things from this thread.
I do not like the tone it has taken. We are a community. Let's get along and not be so antagonistic. Even if it is jocular.
TC
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Buik
Some spirited debate is not only normal it's also healthy, it's when it gets personal that it loses its meaning. I'm merely providing visual images to things that have already been discussed, it's so much more civilized and a whole lot less personal. Remember one man's ceiling is another man's floor.
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i've actually found this thread to be quite informative. it seems arguments (or spirited debates) really do elicit the most knowledge.
i hope you don't mind if i humbly interject a simple question at this stage of the conversation. i am fairly new to DVDdecrypter (i've used clonedvd2 extensively) and i would like the groups advice about several options on the "mode" tabs in the "settings" menu. specifically, should i be removing both the VOB and IFO prohibitted-user-operations? (i believe that's what AnyDVD does?) also, should i remove the IFO structure protection? i admit that i have very little understanding of this particular option. and, finally, is it advisable (as 2oldgeek suggests) to always use the DVD-ROM book-type?
many, many thanks in advance for your guidance!
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18. January 2006 @ 21:45 |
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@2oldGeek
Quote:
Think about this: When you make a 1:1 copy of a
Protected Disk to a DL disc using say DVDDecrypter in
the ISO Read then ISO Write Mode, you are able to do
this without running any other software that will remove
the New Protections that Decrypter does not handle..
Once the 1:1 copy has been burned put it in and
copy it, IT HAS NO PROTECTION! It is no longer there?
Where did it go?
2oldGeek, I used Imgburn last night as I
switched from using DVD Decrypter to burn my
movies to DL media.
I used the ISO Write mode in Imgburn to burn the ISO
file that was previously stored on my hard drive from
DVD Decrypter. I loaded the file in Imgburn, let the program
do its thing, came back to the PC having shut down
as I had set it to do so in the settings...
I re-loaded the burnt disc in my DVD-ROM drive, ran DVD
Decrypter ISO Read mode and it came up with no RCE Protection
or Region protection whatsoever!!! - it showed the disc as
being able to play on all regions regardless of what
region the disc might have only been intended to play
in the first place...
So, in my opinion, what you have said is correct as
there is no protection on the burnt/copied disc as I
had verified it after the burn - just my two cents...
Any replies and comments welcome...
Regards
Happy37
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LOL, Gee I really stirred up a Hornets Nest!
I acknowledge: alcohol, L8ter, dr_no, Sophocles, Buik, h8flp21, Et Al.. Thank you for your comments; it makes for a good forum to have so many responses?..
My ONLY intention was to inform the newbies that you really don?t have to Own AnyDVD or any other decrypter to be able to copy a disc that has RipGuard, ARccOS, missing sectors, Puppet lock or any other ?Protection?. All you have to do is rip it with DVDDecrypter in the ISO R Mode (Free), Shrink it with DVDShrink (Free) and Burn it with DVDDecrypter again Free or Nero if you have it?? Nothing else needed..
I never said that you could EDIT the ISO Image or to my knowledge ever implied it..
Some of you have attacked me personally; some of you have defended me.. Thanks to you both, that?s what makes horse racing??..
I LOVE a good scrap..LOL
If you intend on doing the GEEK thing with VobBlanker, PgcEdit, FixVYS, IFOEdit, PSL2 plugins, etc., etc, Then more Power to Ya!
For a Newbie with the question ?How do I copy Sky High?? this might just be the answer without telling him to Buy AnyDVD and CloneDVD2.
I have been on AD for a short time, 6 months or so and during that time I have only ?started? 1 thread and it was not really a question. Search the threads I have participated in and count the questions I have asked? I feel that my knowledge of computers is enough that I can work any problem out for myself without asking a lot of questions or getting feedback from the masses.
Scuba Pete?s Guide is not the best because it doesn?t have a lot of pretty pictures to look at.
It does, however, show how to set Decrypter for the aggressive mode and uses the ISO Read Mode of Decrypter to copy a Movie, thereby eliminating all the ?Copy Protection?.
Like I have said TRY IT?..
Then, after you have tried it, lay the pertinent questions on me. But please no questions that are off the subject or that attack my knowledge of Fortran, Cobal, Assembly, Pascal, Basic, C Basic, Z Basic, or at the bottom where I started Machine Code! Unlike Henry Ford, I have lived through the evolution of the computer from keying in programs with a keypad set up for Octal or Hexadecimal to DOS and Windows using High level programming languages and it has been a great experience ????.
I Truly hope that all who read this thread can glean a lot of useful information from it?
Thanks Guys..
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@2oldGeek
I was not and or did not intented to attack you personally or anything. Here's what I said; "according to my understanding and experiences, both MODE, File F or MODE, ISO, READ are likely to bypass and or rip the movies successfully into the hard drive, if the individual knows how to use it (DVD Decrypter)."
However, I did said; "I slightly agree with sophocles that ripping with Mode, File F, you'll have more control over the movie (VIDEO_TS or IFO file), especially if you're going to "blank, edit, cut, etc." Just thought that I want to clear things up only.
Cheers:) :)
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19. January 2006 @ 00:21 |
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Hey alcohol,
I heard what you were saying.. I do have the ability to read very well.. LOL
I totally agree ?If you?re going to blank, edit, cut, etc.? then File F is the way to go?. No argument?
But, as I said if you just want to remove any Copy Protection and back the disk up, it can easily be done with Decrypter in the ISO Mode??. That was my statement, Nothing else?
You make beautiful Guides.. Keep up the good work for those who Need it?.
Live long and prosper?.
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@2oldGeek
As you may have already known that both you and I (we), like freewares (ie DVD Decrypter, DVDFAB Decrypter, DVD Shrink, etc.) I guess I'm a "VobBlanker-holic" and sometimes "PgcEdit-holic", LOL. Yep, all of my guides are no required for AnyDVD or DVD43.
Thanks for the compliment. As a matter of fact, I've just did a very simple (super basic) "mini guide" for "Lord Of War & American Pie Band Camp" a while ago, using DVD Decrypter or DVDFAB Decrypter and VobBlanker 2.1.0.0, when I was replying to a few of the thread in this forum.
:)Cheers now and keep up the good work (helping Newbies when issues arise).
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@ h8flp21,
Sorry if you thought you were overlooked? LOL
Yes, use both, remove the VOB and IFO PUO?s
Per This little Guide:
In DVDDecrypter go to: Tools -> Settings ->
Try these settings for
General Tab
Options ? Removal Method ? Aggressive
File Mode Tab
Options ? Remove PUOs (IFO and VOB)
ISO Read Mode Tab
Options ? Remove PUOs (IFO and VOB)
CSS Tab
CSS Cracking Method
Brute Force -> I/O Key Exchange
On Failure ? Yes
I/O Tab
Options ? Ignore read errors
If you are using AnyDVD then there is no need to use DVDDecrypter..
Only if you have a problem disc and then sometimes it will work better?
I normally backup with AnyDVD+ DVDShrink ?Movie Only? and burn with Nero
On Special Occasions, when I want it ALL, then I backup to a DL disc using Decrypter in the ISO Read / ISO Write Mode??.
On the DVD-ROM thing, it?s great to keep all your backups compatible with all the players. That is, if your drive is capable of bit setting..
To learn more go here:
http://www.k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php#BitSettingLinks
Have a Happy..
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sophocles,
I didn't use DVDRemake as of yet, so no experience there. But if I have an ISO file that I want to redo with that program, I would just mount it on Daemon Tools. It is an extra step but I am certain it would work. Plus it would give me a file where copy protection is removed and it would read faster then straight from cd (if file is not ripped already).
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good find arnie! the fact is that both file mode and iso read mode do exactly the same it removes what protection's it can!
the same protection's will be removed in both circumstances!
(windows removes the copyprotections???wtf I think that is the opposite of microsoft's aim)
if you do start messing w' the gears let's say then it is possible to ignore read errors use brute force or a host of other features that may get you the files on your harddrive!! you are correct 2old!
the thing is it is highly reccomended that you don't you are degrigating your file and quite possibly just wasting your time!
one thing shrink is very good at creating dvd compliant(windows has nothing to do w/ this!) files from crap files (which you are trying so hard to get) but can only do so much! and is not by design able to address such drastic degradation or the source!(you are playing w/ fire) nor is it able to handle the new protection schemes!
the ppl @ the arcoss lab's are getting quite clever but despite all this we have progressed and not simply happy to get a piece of crap resembling a movie. (clever ha so far we have proved to be more so)
in fact it is the trend that most of us will not even be happy w/ the result's of a transcoder anymore! (god bless you shrink you have got us through a lot) so the use of shrink to fix the damaged files you are getting,when it can, will surely not suit most!
I still don't understand why you are taking steps backward when the chase is afoot for newer protection and newer means to circumvent it!
do you work for macrovision?? why are you putting a seed bump in our way! as newb's surely become advanced members let's not waste their time w/ such fruitless &dated info to slow them down w/ ok now!
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@arniebear,
Many Thanks for the DVDD Guide, I guess this is the first time I have seen it..
From a short scan I see that LUK just meant for the ISO Mode to be a tool for a 1:1 copy of a disc and never intended for it to be a copy protection remover.. Surprise.. It will do that also..
With the File -> Open Disk Image in DVDShrink the ISO file can be somewhat edited and Shrunk. That is, to the limitations of Shrink with the copy protection removed and then written back to a disk using either the ISO or File Mode? Decrypter or Nero
It really makes me do a lot of thinking about the boys of the ARccOS set? That is, beating their heads against the walls trying to come up with new protections that something as simple as ripping the Movie in the ISO mode with Decrypter can?t defeat? LOL LOL
I really enjoy this?
Sometimes I think Maybe I?m not as Old as I thought I was??.
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if you are going to set ignore read errors do that but don't bring fire down when ppl are assuredly goint to try it!
what if your disk is scratched?? do you know what kind of output you get from setting ignore read errors (crap)
I assure you dvd shrink is no miracle worker and that is all that is saving you from spinning your wheels!
are you saying that w/ these settings file mode is giving you I/O's while iso read mode copies flawlessly! what titles is this happening on??
more importantly the guide say's at the beggining that iso read does exactly the same thing as file mode except for storing it in a different format!
that allows easy usage by any burning engine!
2old listen to old will, don't pee on the fence!
there seems to be no other way to get through to you!
I hope readers of this don't get hurt by the fence that your pee'ing on
set decrypter to defaults!!
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c'mon, i'm no expert, but surely there can't be any harm in removing the PUOs? i was mainly curious whether i should remove one or the other or both (VOB & IFO). also, i don't really know what it means to remove the IFO structure protection, so i was seeking advice on that. everything else i plan to leave on defaults.
oh, also the book-type question... i noticed that Nero changes the book-type to dvd-rom by default (if my memory serves). but i believe that DVDdecrypter leaves it as DVD+R DL (does anyone know what clonedvd2 does--i don't think i've ever taken notice). my dvd player doesn't seem to have a problem with either, but i would still like to have your opinions if you don't mind sharing.
thanks for the user guide arniebear, i will definitely check that out.
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booktyp dvd-rom may be useful for older player and +r/+rl media
and dont remove each and every puo!
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so this is what i'm hearing, please correct me if i'm wrong.
generally speaking, in ISO mode, i should remove IFO PUOs but leave the VOB PUOs (and i note that it's not really necessary to remove either).
with respect to the book-type question, i'm hearing that dvd-rom is the more universally compatible book-type. are there any drawbacks to exclusively using the dvd-rom book-type?
thanks again!
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2oldGeek
I understand the substance of the debate but file mode's flexibility was brought into play early on and it is now a part of this debate and I also believe that it is on topic. I'm certain that there are no differences in RCE protection removals in either file mode or ISO mode, and I therefore believe that your claim is invalid and unprovable. And trying to shoo others off with claims of inherent superior knowledge won't work either, but it will piss a few people off.
Your claims that some archaic programing knowledge that you possess has somehow made you superior to the rest of us doesn't sit well with me and perhaps others as well. I'm not buying it without any kind of proof and neither will a lot of others. Like I said earlier in the thread, File mode or ISO mode same movie two different packages. Iso mode is nothing more than a container to facilitate a more compatible burning standard but inside the container are the same files you see in file mode. Do as I asked earlier, burn a disc and then open windows explorer and check the files in it and they'll be the same as those in file mode. In fact if you were to rip the backup that you made, you would be given the same choice of ripping it in file mode or ISO mode again. RCE protections have already been removed prior to the conversion to ISO mode just as they are in file mode, and the movie isn't one continuous 8 gig stream, it's the same files in a wrapper.
All AnyDVD does is provide more frequent updates. It catches new changes in protections at the Windows Shell level and removes them before Decrypter has a chance to read them. I realize that there are some who don't want to use AnyDVD and for that they'll have to update Decrypter on their own. I prefer AnyDVD because I have enough on my plate already and it is usually the first to make new copy protections available. Since a purchase of AnyDVD also includes lifetime updates, it's worth it to me.
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I'll have to agree with Sophocles here. ISO and Files are the same data in different packages or in the case of Files, no package. ;) I've done a lot of movies using both methods. With some software and sometimes editing, Files are more preferrable. With some freeware apps, burning is only done in ISO. Shrink is handy there, it can convert to ISO for burning while using files for the transcoding. Rebuilder Pro can build ISOs after handling the files in File mode. So, you can take the data and build an ISO or vice versa. An interesting item is that you can use an archive tool that supports the ISO format to open a movie that is in an ISO packet. WinRAR will handle the task. Once opened, guess what, Audio_TS and Video_TS with all the separate VOB, BUP, and IFO files. Simply using Windows to open a DVD recorded in ISO reveals the same thing as Sophocles pointed out.
As for decryption, Sophocles nailed that one as well. It's there in ISO as in File mode as the files are in reality the same. Otherwise you'd best bet your boots the guys at Sony aren't foolish enough to target a single file mode if another could be used to circumvent encryption. They may make blunders, but they wouldn't keep making the same one. I suspect those guys know more about programming than most of us do or will. So, put the use of ISO or File down to a matter of personal preference or particular applications.
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Put simply, booktyping is a matter of compatibility. The process writes on a DVD +R or +R DL with files that mimic the files of a DVD ROM. DVD ROM is the universal standard for DVD players, so ideally, anything in ROM format is readable. However, there are not many DVD players left that won't play multiple formats. Another item of interest is that not all burner drives booktype. Armed with that knowledge, you should be able to make your own decision about making your discs more compatible with booktyping or if the +R and -R are already compatible enough. Beware of hacked firmware for burners (which can sometimes add booktyping ability), sometimes it works and sometimes the drive is damaged beyond repair. I'm not saying don't use it, just be very sure if you do. Even a faulty OEM flash can kill a drive.
I know of no app that sets booktype by default. (Possibly a matter of semantics on that one.) Once set by a program, then the burner will use DVD ROM as the book type for +R and/or +R DL. I noticed one of the Sony drives would booktype +R DL automatically, but the +R still had to be set manually. So it can be incorporated into some drives firmware.
As for AnyDVD, I use it all the time. In fact I started using it before support was dropped for DVD Decrypter. It was and is updated faster. DVDD is still very good for ripping to the HDD, so I use them together, but DVDD isn't breaking any encryption. You can note that by the log. Two great apps, but for decryption, DVD Decrypter is getting more obsolete as time passes. That's the problem with Shrink as well. With AnyDVD, a person can use Shrink as it was used before if they don't want to rip files to the HDD, and not have problems with encryption.
A lot of movies don't have the newer encryption, so using DVD Decrypter will work. But try one of the newer Sony releases with the new encryption and Decrypter starts giving errors or stops depending on the settings. I know 2oldGeek was trying to be helpful, but much of what he was saying was misleading; especially for newbies that have a problem filtering info about the DVD backup process.
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