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Maxell DVD-R Japan vs Taiwan Truth
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 13:12 |
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KProbe, for use by those with Lite-On drives, Plextools with those with Plextor drives. The only general purpose tool mentioned was Ahead's CDSpeed. There is other test software. Among those is DVDInfopro, which is free as is the CDSpeed utility. I've seen these apps used with varying results. They've been posted here on AD before. I'm not going to try to track them down, but they are here. I have both the Nero tools and DVDInfopro and am familiar with doing screenshots. I have Capturewiz for capturing and am familiar with posting on Imageshack for hosting. If you want tests, I can run them for you and give screenshots. You only need to wait and I'll do a couple for you here if it'll make you happy. I can probably find some of my buddies Ritek media he's been using for years and is happy with. They still play well and they've been around for some time. A person need not be a member of CDFreaks to know how to run a utility and post it. Sorta like saying, my forum is better than your forum. LOL That starts bordering on the juvenile. My statement was that I give AD the same credence as I do other forums and I'm already a member here and familiar with many of the other members and staff.
I'll repeat myself here, I wasn't dismissing other forums or their links, I just don't give them more weight than this one. All I need do is converse with my old buddy BigO on Ritek media. He's been a big Meritline customer for some time now. He's pleased and he's run his tests. Another Afterdawn Addict and friend is Sophocles who is more the tech oriented and he's done his tests and has Plextools as well. He's discussed tests though we felt no need for sharing the captures. He's good at doing screenshots as well when asked. Guess we need to start a thread of post your test screenshots here. However, the real blood and soul will continue to be members discussing the media topics with text messages.
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 13:27 |
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but the only "MIT" media I would buy is Verbatim, otherwise I wouldn't let them near my burner.
That's an interesting statement. A lot of people say Memorex sucks because of CMC Mag manufactured media, made in Taiwan. I've purchased Verbatim from Taiwan manufactured by Ricoh. That turned out to be excellent media. Now Verbatim is selling media manufactured by CMC Mag. Just because they put the blue Verbatim label on it, does that make it better than the silver labeled Memorex. Manufactureres use the same lines making the same coded media, the only difference often being the labels they brand a run with.
Verbatim is actually one of the brands made in Taiwan that I currently try to avoid because of the CMC association. I like your MIJ list, that's what I earlier suggested people new to DVD recording go by.
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15. January 2006 @ 13:35 |
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I can understand that people are quite happy with their Riteks (even G05s). If it works for them fine but if you examine where people from all over the world using a varity of drives have taken the time to test their media and post the results just as it's obvious Taiyo Yuden produces the highest quality results it's obvious that Hitachi Maxell is better than Ritek.
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 13:52 |
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Love those profound statements. Fans of MCC media might disagree with you, unless you are just saying Taiyo Yuden is one of the best.
I don't test all the media I use for backups. The test is if I get great video and audio while viewing on a 60 inch screen. All the media I have recorded to has given me that. Though I use only name brand media. Other than one occasion, I've had a good idea what I was opening. One small batch of those infamous CMC Memorex sneaked in when Memorex went from Ricoh DVD +R to CMC DVD +R. I was one of the first to post it and for a while no one believed Memorex had gone with CMC for both -R and +R DVDs. I got a few coasters, but the ones I got recorded play very well and are a couple of years old. If I could locate one easily, I'd run a test on it just to check it out. The actual quality may be lower than others, but still sufficient to play well.
I've used Maxell and I have some Riteks, both play well and I see no difference in quality, function or cosmetic. I've personally burned the Maxells, so no complaints there. I've heard mostly good things about Ritek, so it would be difficult to knock them without personal experience. I've seen some real nasty stories where some bad media got away from Ritek, or they sold it. Much of that was to the EU and 3rd world markets for some reason. All the manufacturers have bad runs at times. I've even heard of the great Verbatim having some poorly assembled media that caused problems. We go by the overall track record and from those I've communicated with one on one, Ritek is some of the good stuff.
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15. January 2006 @ 14:18 |
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Well it is Nice to know that I am still getting a good quality Brand with Maxell using Ritek as there manufacturer. I cant say that I will continue to buy them though because I am picky and want first class Media, and I realy like what alkohol recomends for media It realy sounds to me that he Has already researched all of this. I dont wish to make enemy's or people not like me here at afterdawn but I just wanted to Post my Findings thats all, I dont know what other word to use besides fake when refering to Maxell media being made by Ritek but anyone have any idea what to call it if not Fake.
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15. January 2006 @ 14:20 |
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I can understand that people are quite happy with their Riteks (even G05s). If it works for them fine but if you examine where people from all over the world using a varity of drives have taken the time to test their media and post the results just as it's obvious Taiyo Yuden produces the highest quality results it's obvious that Hitachi Maxell is better than Ritek.
Thats the thing, I run batch tests on all my burns, once when it was burnt and every 6 months or so.
I've posted scans of dvd's around 2 year old in other threads.
I could'nt be happier with the Maxell Riteks some scan better than my taiyo yuden 16x DVD+R printables Yuden000 T03.
I just don't experience at all any problems with them.
I've also saw people in verious forums having trouble with Taiyo Yuden, most likely their methods/set up.
Again having used hitachi and Ritek Maxell's I just don't see any diff.
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15. January 2006 @ 14:35 |
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Well would you say Maxell MXL RG05 is better then Taiy Yuden T03's?.
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 14:36 |
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A common manner of differentiating from the generic is to list the brand and the manufacturer, such as a Maxell-Ritek DVD or a Sony-Taiyo Yuden. Adding the manufacturer code is very specific and is what a person should use when talking about a particular media. Just saying a brand name is confusing for obvious reasons, it's not all the same. It's readily obvious what the author means if the reader is at all familiar with media sales/manufacture issues. Fake means "not genuine" in anybody's dictionary. Though made by a manufacturer other than the brand may be confusing, it doesn't make the item any less the genuine product. If not being made by a factory with the brand name makes fakes, then there's some brands that would be all "fake".
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 14:38 |
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Well would you say Maxell MXLG05 is better then Taiy Yuden G03's?.
No. If they're both working great, you say "good stuff". ;)
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15. January 2006 @ 14:47 |
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Thank you for the Info brobear but what would you call a DVD Media Disc that is made by another manufacturer than the Brand on the Disc if not FAke. You probably mentioned this already but what DVD Media do you currently use for your DVD Movie Backups, in your opinion is Maxell that bad of A genuine brand.
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15. January 2006 @ 15:13 |
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Maxell is a good brand. I've not seen anyone really disputing that. If they work good for you and you're happy with them, there's absolutely no need to change.
If you're wanting a real word term for a disc not having the name of the generic, non generic would be most appropriate. Either the disc is the generic, such as Ritek made by Ritek, or a non generic, such as Sony media made by Taiyo Yuden. Not fake, but non generic describes the situation best. Memorex, Imation, and Samsung are just some of the brands that don't have a manufacturer of the same name. Are they all fakes? I still suggest when discussing a particular disc, that the brand name, the speed, format and manufacturer code all be used. That differentiates between the different offerings that sometimes come from a single brand.
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 15:23 |
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I forgot to mention, I'm currently using both the generic and non generic Sony +R media in 8X. I found them on sale at Sams. We're looking at 2/3 being Tiayo Yuden and the other 1/3 being Sony. It was a mixed lot sale. Both work great with no coasters unless I mess up. I got one out of the last spindle, I started a burn I didn't mean to. Before I could stop it, there was a small ring burned. So, I can't say that was a failed disc, just my mess up. Before that I had a large order of Fuji from Office Depot. Those were 4X Ricoh DVD +R and Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD +R (both non generic, but excellent quality nonetheless).
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gracie17
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15. January 2006 @ 16:04 |
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Brobear, there is an issue with the Maxell Riteks being "fake". I bought a spindle of 50 Maxells which turned out to be G05's. The packaging was exactly the same as MIJ Maxells including the statement "using Maxells HGX stamper technology". Now Maxell - Hitachi MIJ discs do use HGX stampers, as this is behind the MXL coded discs. Similar to Sony using ACCUCORE. Now Ritek G05's DONT use HGX stampers they use Ritek stampers which aint HGX.
Now this is false advertising, therefore fake HGX MXL discs.
If you bought Sony discs advertised as ACCUCORE and once opened you found they were Princo would you be happy? Or would you feel ripped off?
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mackdl
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15. January 2006 @ 17:07 |
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h-k
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15. January 2006 @ 17:50 |
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A made in Japan MAXELL 002 scan burned @ 4x
A made in Taiwan Maxell RITEK R03 scan burned @ 8x
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brobear
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Most of us are aware there are instances where real "fakes" have been sold to the public. There's been "fake" Taiyo Yudens, "fake" Riteks and other forgeries I've read of. That is true forgery. Sort of old news and not what was being discussed. As for buying something that is advertised as one thing and turning out to be another, that's fraud. Your example of buying the advertised accucore and not getting it is just that. Any decent company would refund the money and you have legal alternatives and avenues of redress. Get the refund and don't do business with a company if you don't like the product.
What the "brands" do that I don't like is a bit more subtle and legal. You can be buying a brand you're familiar with and expecting to get a particualar product and end up with another. That happened to me when Memorex switched to CMC. I simply stopped doing busisness with them. It wasn't "fake" merchandise, just an item I didn't suspect. A lot of people get caught in similar situations because brands change suppliers; sometimes better and sometimes worse for the consumer. But it's not a situation of "fake" merchandise. Fool me once...
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 20:14 |
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Here are a couple of good reasons I don't mind using the Made in Taiwan Sony media. You can read from the test the pertinent info. It was perfect on the disc "Quality" test and the "Read" test.
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 20:39 |
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Here is a Fujifilm-Taiyo Yuden from last year. "Good stuff". I have the TY media in other brands as well, including the Sony.
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15. January 2006 @ 20:39 |
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alkohol
"Quote:but the only "MIT" media I would buy is Verbatim, otherwise I wouldn't let them near my burner."
That's an interesting statement. A lot of people say Memorex sucks because of CMC Mag manufactured media, made in Taiwan. I've purchased Verbatim from Taiwan manufactured by Ricoh. That turned out to be excellent media. Now Verbatim is selling media manufactured by CMC Mag. Just because they put the blue Verbatim label on it, does that make it better than the silver labeled Memorex. Manufactureres use the same lines making the same coded media, the only difference often being the labels they brand a run with.
Verbatim is actually one of the brands made in Taiwan that I currently try to avoid because of the CMC association. I like your MIJ list, that's what I earlier suggested people new to DVD recording go by.
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When I said; "the only "MIT" media I would buy is Verbatim, otherwise I wouldn't let them near my burner." Meaning, any MCC003 or MCC004 made by Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation that was "made in Taiwan", then I would definitely buy it, or else I would never want waste a penny on MIT media, regardless of what brands.
Yes, I've heard that a few of Verbatim media is coded as CMC MAG, especially the "white pearl" or something similar. However, I have never seen and or encountered any CMC MAG [MID code], while using the 8X and 16X Verbatim "advanced azo". According to my experiences with the Verbs, they're far more superior than any CMC MAG. Evidently, it is true that I haven't used them much, but at least 200 plus with DVD+R and 40 plus on their DVD+R DL (MIS), and so far they're as flawless as YUDEN. Infact, it's on par with the famous Taiyo Yuden and the MIJ Maxell by Hitachi.
Like I said, my philosophy is "Made In Japan", especially for MAXELL, Taiyo Yuden, FUJI and SONY.
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 21:01 |
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Here is a Sony-Taiyo Yuden from last year, another picture of perfection.
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We can officially say that AD has a thread with graphic proof using screenshots to support statements about media. Making it is sometimes easier than trying to hunt them down. ;)
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brobear
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15. January 2006 @ 21:15 |
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alkohol
We have our preferences and there's nothing wrong with that. The tests I've been posting for the Taiwanese Sony as well as the TY media are showing 100% quality and the Sony was recorded this year and the Sony-Yuden was recorded in August 05. This just goes to show that the generic Sony is as good as the MIJ products. Besides the sterling scores from CDSpeed, these discs function well with the equipment. They meet both the quality and compatibility needs for good recording. So, Taiwan manufacturers other than Verbatim suppliers make top grade media. You can have a personal preference for the Verbatim, but it should be difficult to say other media isn't as good when you're given the proof that at least the Sony is. I'll dig up some of those Ricohs, if I can just figure out where I put them.
By the way, CMC hasn't been making the top line Verbatim, like the ones with AZO dye or DataLife Plus. Just be leery of the lower end -R line from Verbatim that is MIT.
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15. January 2006 @ 21:23 |
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Wow, I've never seen a scan with all zeros.
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h-k
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15. January 2006 @ 21:36 |
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A made in Taiwan SONY D11 burned @ 8x
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15. January 2006 @ 21:40 |
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@brobear
I have a question in query to your scans, does your HP burner supported C2/PIF? Because according to my understanding, in order for Nero CD-DVD Speed to have a true/precise on the quality scores, Show C2/PIF will need to be "enabled or turn On". I can see it clearly that you have Show C2/PIF turn off or maybe it could be that your HP drive doesn't supported.
I'm just curious that's all. :) cheers!!
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15. January 2006 @ 21:42 |
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Here's one you'll like a Verbatim DataLife 4X +R RicohjpnR01 recorded in Jan 04. Another 100 Quality score. Good media keeps going when stored properly. I had "Bulletproof Monk" on that one. Good action flick on a good backup. Not many dogs and kids mess with my video library. I cut extras for the ones the kids will abuse.
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