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help with burner... how long do they last?
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dolphin2
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21. January 2006 @ 23:30 |
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22. January 2006 @ 10:50 |
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I missed counted 450 burns and forgot about the 150 or so I gave away... but it is all meaningless if someone burned 5000 discks I am wondering maybe their jusl low grade burners? It not about the finalizing... it never makes it to the writing part?
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22. January 2006 @ 11:19 |
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Went to device mgr. and DMA was on, all so down laoded Patin-Couffin but it stated folder already was there... installed anyways- have to go to work and then early wake up will try burning tomorrow 1-22-6 at 1500 hrs. thanks for the suggestions keep them comeing hopfully things will be better, although havent did anything- I will try burning at 4X do not no way it would make a differance? I thought the lower the better? also the is the fast the disk the beter, even though I would burn at aq lower speed?
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22. January 2006 @ 13:36 |
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Did you check both primary and secondary channels?
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22. January 2006 @ 13:43 |
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Dont think so... but I will check as soon as I get home from work tonight thanks!
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22. January 2006 @ 20:05 |
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Dont know if it matters but my DVDxCoy is from 321 studios and a friend put it on my computer
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22. January 2006 @ 20:34 |
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Well could not wait... In the primary IDE channel properties it had the following:
Device 0 transfer mode- DMA if available
current....... PI0 only >>>> after unstall/restall...Ultra DMA mode2
Device 1 Transfer mode DMA if available
Current.......PIO Only >>>>> after unstall/restall....Ultra DMA mode2
Secondary IDE Channel Properties:
Device 0 transfer mode-DMA if available
current.......PIO only>>>>after uninstall/restall...Ultra DMA mode5
Device 1 transfer mode-DMA if avialable
current.....PIO only >>>>>after unstall/restall...Ultra DMA mode4
I will burn on return from work tomorrow.... I pray this will work
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22. January 2006 @ 21:32 |
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PIO should have made it exceptionally slow and that would cause drive problems. Let's hope you found it. If I were you, I'd check those DMA settings periodically for a while. Sometimes there's an underlying problem that causes the DMA to switch to PIO.
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22. January 2006 @ 21:43 |
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@brobear I agree. His log showed he was burning at 1X and at that speed, he would have never known.
info Writing speed requested x1.0, effective x2.0
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23. January 2006 @ 06:41 |
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"he would have never known" what does this mean?
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23. January 2006 @ 07:08 |
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i thought th3e slower the speed the beter the quaility?
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23. January 2006 @ 08:46 |
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NO not always ,depends on your setup,burner,media etc. general rule of thumb is to keep your burn speed at 4x with 8x media. BUT i have a really good machine (per my sig.) and burn at 8x most the time (except burning on the fly) which i knock it down to 6x .and actually when i do a quality test my scans i come out better at 8x than at 4x .so take some time and run a few test after you burn a dvd
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23. January 2006 @ 09:07 |
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What is the differance in doing it on the fly then using a single burner [I do all my burning on the fly] also how do I test the quality of a burn? should I use 4x if I use 8x [TY] media?
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23. January 2006 @ 09:47 |
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burning on the fly is risky ,like with nero(disc copier) its better to back it up from the harddrive. i would go 4x at first see where your at then try 8x .use DVD InfoPro to test your media or you can use Nero toolkit
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23. January 2006 @ 10:13 |
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Here's an article I picked up off the web that does a good job of explaining the situation. You can substitute DVD for CD in this read as the function is similar.
DMA vs PIO mode
Traditionally, CD-ROM drives have used Programmable Input Output (PIO) rather than Direct Memory Access (DMA) for data transfer. This was favoured for the earlier designs because hardware implementation is simpler and adequate for devices that require low transfer rates. The drawback is that the CPU must mediate the transfer of data, often byte by byte. As the data rate of CD-ROM drives has risen, so has the load on the CPU, to the point where 24-speed and 32-speed drives can completely saturate CPU utilisation in PIO mode. The severity of CPU loading depends on a number of factors, such as the exact PIO mode used, the PC's IDE/PCI bridge design, the CD-ROM buffer size and design and the CD-ROM device driver.
DMA data transfer is always more efficient and requires only a few per cent of CPU time. It uses hardware to control data transfer directly to system memory, and only require initial memory allocation and minimal handshaking from the CPU. A further advantage is that performance is device rather than system dependent. DMA-capable devices should give consistent performance, regardless of the system they're attached to.
The key info is that PIO maxes the CPU and DMA uses a low percentage of resources and gives better performance. DMA transfers the load off the CPU so the system can function properly. Slow is okay for a DVD burn when the outcome is iffy, but you don't want the system overloaded and running at a crawl.
Speaking of DVD burns. I'm starting to look at the old 4X quality limitation as old news. It may have been good advice and may still hold true in certain cases. Drives and media appear to have made improvements or someone was pulling our collective "leg" from the start. I've accidentally burned some DVDs at 8X and they have never had a problem. I consistently burn at 6X without flaws. I suspect 8X would probably be okay. However I've been indoctrinated with "4X", so I still have a depressed feeling when I stray too far from the "security blanket" speed. I have one burner that will burn good 8X media at 12X. One of these days I'm going to let it rip. My fear is that the world as I know it may end. LOL
Seriously, on the matter of write speeds, a lot depends on the system. The user should try slightly higher speeds in rational increments, something like 4X to 6X to 8X to ... If write errors creep in, back off to the speed that is successful. The only difference between 6X and 4X is about 14 minutes for 4X down to about 10 minutes with 6X. Not a whole lot of time saved. Also, take into account that the possibility of write errors increases as the speed increases. There's something about a comfort level, mentally, as well as a safety zone for the equipment that seems to have come about. 4X???
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23. January 2006 @ 10:26 |
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Good idea on doing the checks. I'd just like to note that the utilities are not supported by all drives. PiPO and Jitter are required tests in order to ascertain the quality of a disc and a bunch of drives can't use those utilities for those tests. I have two drives and neither are supported fully for the test sequence for the apps mentioned, DVDInfoPro and Nero's CD DVD Speed. My Plextor has Plextools that will run the tests though, so I'm not out in the cold. My HP won't test PiPO or Jitter with any or the test utilities I have. So, if the drive can't do all the tests, the quality rating for the media in Nero's CD DVD Speed is suspect. Most drives can do the read scan though, which shows read errors when present.
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23. January 2006 @ 12:20 |
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"he would have never known" what does this mean?
Means that you would not have seen a slow down if your in PIO mode. If you were burning at, say, 4X and your system "slips" into PIO, your burn speed would drop to about 2X without you setting it that way.
The other comment was addressed by others.
Sorry if I offended. Didn't mean it that way.
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23. January 2006 @ 22:13 |
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brobear ,i have been burning at 8x since i got my new Plextor PX-716ALs with NO problems(the scans are coming out fine) i know you have the same drive so iam sure it will work fine of course iam using Taiyo Yuden media
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23. January 2006 @ 22:46 |
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I'm using the Sony 8X +R MIJ and MIT. I got 50 MIJ and 150 MIT in a batch sale. The MIJ is a Taiyo Yuden disc. The MITs are Sony generic and work as well as the MIJ and the scans are good as well. I have no doubt I could burn at 8X. Didn't you read my post on the "comfort zone"? LOL
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24. January 2006 @ 09:40 |
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No offense taken, bro... Just try'en to learn all I can from you guys! Ive been coming here off and on- copied alot of movies, but really do not know what Im doing... self taught on the computer, I know my way around and can do alot of things, but skipped the basics LOL! I really appreciate all the help. MY first burn was great, still have to run through tests- if I could understand it that is... You people are great help!
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24. January 2006 @ 09:48 |
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No offense taken, bro...
Now where have we been gettin offensive. You're not here to smell my feet, so it couldn't be that. ;)
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24. January 2006 @ 09:54 |
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No offense taken, bro...
An answer to Dolphin2... read above reply
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24. January 2006 @ 09:57 |
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DMA vs PIO mode
THis was very helpful, thank you very much there brobear
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24. January 2006 @ 10:07 |
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De nada. Glad to help. A lot of people don't seem to know how that one works. I should save that article. That's about the clearest explanation I've run across.
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24. January 2006 @ 11:25 |
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what is the process you guys use the copy movies?
Programs, ripping etc.?
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