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RIAA sues woman that has no computer
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article published on 5 February, 2006
The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) has found yet another strange case amongst the thousands of copyright infringement suits it has launched against file sharers in the United States. In this case, the accused woman, Marie Lindor actually has never bought or used a PC. Attorneys for the Brooklyn, New York-based health aide sent a letter on Thursday to Judge David G. Trager ... [ read the full article ]
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5. February 2006 @ 18:32 |
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You've got to be f**king kidding me. This is absolutely rediculous. When will people pull their heads out of their asses. I may just burn down the RIAA.
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wetsparks
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5. February 2006 @ 19:19 |
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So now someone has a honest excuse that they couldn't have possibly downloaded music "ilegally" and that an IP adress isn't enough to sue a person. She can counter sue and get tons of money from the RIAA for harrasment and help other people that they are harrasing.
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5. February 2006 @ 19:42 |
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omg in my place i let my wireless connection unencrpyted for months but i think it's time for me to lock it up now. i though sharing is caring think i'm wrong.
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freshguy
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5. February 2006 @ 21:55 |
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I guess we should just be thankful that this is a civil law matter. If this would have been a criminal law issue, then you know that it would be only a matter of time before the RIAA had the police paddywagons backing up to the local Starbucks or any other local Wi-Fi hotspot.
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5. February 2006 @ 22:09 |
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Well, even though the RIAA are a bunch of idiots, you should always have your network protected.
The problem is that the default settings for most routers right out of the box is unprotected. If you've never set up a wireless network before it can be pretty confusing, esp. if you're not familiar with computers or the jargon that goes along with it.
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5. February 2006 @ 23:43 |
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The RIAA's incredible ability to pinpoint exactly who has committed infringement is simply astonishing! Watch out pirates - after all the innocent people are sued, they're coming after you!
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6. February 2006 @ 01:18 |
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Ahhh the corprate blight is so nice *L*
Its like the whole amputee and rumsfield thing,thier saying rumsfield dosnet know WTH hes saying.
I can understand why some are pissed off by it god knows our troops need all the help and respect they can get!!!
BTW if the mods think everythign past the frist line is to hot feel free to remove it ^^
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6. February 2006 @ 03:38 |
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I just think this is a little much...I mean first a child...now a computerless old woman? It's like those capital one commercials, except the RIAA is the pirates now... "What's in your computer?"
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6. February 2006 @ 04:19 |
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i really am starting to belive the RIAA lays out a phone book and throws lawn darts at it to pick who will be their next victim
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6. February 2006 @ 04:30 |
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with the latest round of people they are going after it only shows that they (riaa) care nothing of the person only the the file.... now they are going after the owner of the wireless hotspot... nice twist then why dont they go after Mcdonalds who incourage patrons to use their wireless signal or the comfort sueit hotel chain as far as that goes that would also include holiday innn and alot more then they wouldnt be able to get away with it. see money talks and the RIAA knows that going after random people who dont know any better will cave and pay out the nose but big busness would laugh at them ... take notice world its not over yet..... sad to say
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whoozhe
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6. February 2006 @ 08:11 |
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The RIAA Record Industry Asses Association.
I bought two CD's this week Both from the Net. Both independent with no affiliation with any RIAA member. The cost was less than half of the average download costs (iPod) and the nusic ten times as good.
That is the only way I will ever buy music.
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6. February 2006 @ 09:19 |
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He tried explaining this to the RIAA's lawyers but they insisted that a $4,500 settlement must be paid.
Jeez, you wonder who the real theifs are eh..
-Mike
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6. February 2006 @ 09:54 |
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I just bought 3 cd`s from bmg that they announce on their website as cd+dvd but when it arrived it had a cd+vcd wich don`t play im my dvd player,now is this the way the`re fighting piracy? telling lies to their consumers about their products? by the way you can`t return a product once it`s open.
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6. February 2006 @ 10:53 |
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Who said that lawyers are smart????????
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6. February 2006 @ 11:53 |
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neo1000
even tho they have a fing lamanet machine behinde the counter at most EB,Staples,Best buy chains it seem they refuse to wrap newly return stuff in it and call it new...they would rather force you to keep a 50$ crapy game then return it......
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6. February 2006 @ 12:47 |
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Who they gonna sue next? A dog
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6. February 2006 @ 12:51 |
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HAHAHAHA ^ They might...
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6. February 2006 @ 13:03 |
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I wouldn't put anything past them
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orin999
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6. February 2006 @ 14:12 |
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depends on if the dart lands there or not so people make sure your dogs are unlisted cuz they will be the next targets
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6. February 2006 @ 14:38 |
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I am not a fan of heavy handed tacticts but I am going to have to call "bullshit" on the part of the defendant in this case. "I took out the computer but left the high speed connection running for months" This story has too many holes in it. Nobody I know is going to continue to pay for broadband month in and month out when they are not using it.
That and I use my real name and address for all of my logins. Give me a break.
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6. February 2006 @ 14:48 |
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Man this story is giving me ideas, whenever I'm on my laptop I detect 3 wireless routers. 1 being my own and my neighboors have it and they are unsecured. Hmmmm(thinking....)
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whoozhe
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6. February 2006 @ 15:23 |
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Fact is that a vast number of people never change default passwords or activate a modems hardware security.
Leaving a network set up even if compters have been removed, although strange, has some logic although naivity may play a part.
What this does hilight is the flaw in the laws that allow the likes of RIAA to do what they do.
Laws are suppose to exist to protect citizens. Most seem to lean towards protecting commerce. The whole RIAA thing should have been kept in the civil arena and not the criminal one.
What ever happened to due course. if this was a police search I doubt that a warrent would have been issued.
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6. February 2006 @ 15:31 |
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Patti Santangelo's new lawyer
p2p news / p2pnet: Patti Santangelo now has a team. Its members are Patti herself, her new lawyer, Jordan Glass and you.
And you guys are taking on Warner Music, Vivendi Universal, EMI and Sony BMG, the desperate Big Four Organized Music Goliaths.
They don't stand a chance.
Glass who, bottom line, quite literally wouldn't be beside Patti without help from p2pnet readers, was officially accepted into the New York court system last week and, he told me, he guarantees he'll stay on the case to the end.
"I have to thank all of the p2pnet readers who've contributed to the Fight Goliath Campaign," Patti said today. "Their donations so far have enabled me to hire a new attorney, Jordan D. Glass.
"I wanted very much to continue this fight on my own but when I sat down with the pile of paperwork, I realized that without an attorney who understood the discovery process, I'd surely lose."
Glass is a one-man band in a private practice firm. We'll tell you more about him shortly and we'll also give you details of how the money you're donating is being spent, together with estimates of up-coming outlays.
In two other important developments, we now have a private New York PO Box address for snail-mail contributions, and all donations are going into an escrow account administered by Patti herself.
And while the RIAA is targetting Santangelo and people like her, on November 15, 2004, in testimony before the Federal Trade Commission, the RIAA openly admitted tmost P2P end users don't even know their files are in a shared files folder, says Recording Industry vs The People.
"As an initial matter, P2P software may, upon installation, automatically search a user?s entire hard drive for content," states P2P File-Sharing Workshop ? Comment, P034517 - Comments of The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA), November 15, 2004, going oin:
"Files that users have no intention of sharing may end up being offered to the entire P2P network. Continued sharing of personal information is hard to avoid and is facilitated by confusing and complicated instructions for designating shared items. A study by Nathaniel S. Good and Aaron Krekelberg at HP Laboratories showed that ?the majority of the users?were unable to tell what files they were sharing, and sometimes incorrectly assumed they were not sharing any files when in fact they were sharing all files on their hard drive."
So far ....
... 558 p2pnet readers have contributed a total of $7,588.27. And there were two single snail-mail donations to the old snail-mail address - one of $40, and one of $50.
The total of $7,678.27 looks like a lot, but it isn't. It allowed Patti to retain Glass, but much more will be needed for the discovery process, which has to be completed by May 5. How much more? We're working on an estimate, but for now, it'll be anything upwards of $100,000.
If you're having doubts about the money, check out Alex H's thoughts on the matter.
And if you're wondering if it's all dollars down the tubes, I, the 558 current donors, Jason Rohrer, who wrote the donations script and set up the central donations tracking page, Jordan Glass, Patti and her kids clearly don't think so.
As Alex H sums it up, he's imagining himself standing in the Valley of Elah, "holding a betting slip with 'David - 100 Shakels To Win' written on it."
We are too and when Patti wins, shattering the Bkig Four's delusions that we depend on them, instead of the other way around, it's going to make a huge difference to the more than 18,000 people already being pilloried by the Big Four, not to mention people yet to be victimized.
You can make an immediate contribution to the Goliath Fund by clicking the PayPal button under the pic. Or you can send it to Patti by snail-mail, address beneath it.
Patti Santangelo
C/O PO Box 57
Cedarhurst
New York 11516, USA
If you're a web site owner and you want to post a donations button, go here for the code. You'll find a list of sites featuring donatioins buttons, and some p2pnet story links in the struggle.
For now, go here to see what's in so far.
Cheers, and thanks. And all the best?
420 million vs almost three billion
For anyone who's not familiar with the case, Patti, a New York mother of five, is the first of the more than 18,000 people - men, women and even young children - so far victimized by the Big Four's RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America).
Through a vast international PR and propaganda blitz involving the mainstream media and scores of 'trade' organizations, the labels, worth billions of dollars, are trying to claim they're being "devastated" by people who share files on the p2p networks. The RIAA sue 'em all campaign is the American element.
Santangelo was distributing copyrighted songs online, says the RIAA. It's unlikely it'll get far with that so the next targets will, inevitably, be Patti's children. They are Michelle, 19 (wht Patti, left), Bobby, 15, and Ryan, 7 (centre) and Nicole (17) and Jack, 10 (bottom left), all of whom live at home.
Behind specious claims of a thriving corporate music download market, RIAA spokesmen Mitch 'The Don' Bainwol and Cary 'Scary' Sherman' claim their lawsuits are driving significant numbers people to the tiny handful of sites they service and supply, although the reverse is true.
In its latest report, the Big Four's IFPI (International Federation of the Phonographic Industries) boasts, "Music fans downloaded 420 million single tracks from the internet last year". And, "legitimate digital music business is steadily pushing back on digital piracy," declared Kennedy, contradicting his and other statements that "Illegal activity on peer-to-peer networks has stayed static in the last year". Meanwhile in the real world of online music, 60 million Americans had logged on a year ago, says the Digital Media Project, and, say statistics from p2p research company BigChampagne, the numbers are steadily increasing year by year.
During September, 2005, the average number of files available on p2p networks for download at any moment (average simultaneous files) was 2,789,154,393, BigChampagne told me. Spelled out, that's almost three billionfiles.
In America in December, 2005, on average, 6,978,715 people were simultaneously logged onto the p2p networks at any given time, says p2p research firm BigChampagne, which produces statistics centering on the file sharing phenomenon.
In 2004, the number was 5,500,314 and in 2003, 3,239,298, says the firm, which compiled statistics for the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development Information Technology Outlook report for 2004.
Globally, in December, 2003, 5,602,384 people were logged onto the p2p nets at the same time at any point around the clock, in 2004 the number had swelled to 7,582,248 and in December, 2005, it was 9,554,298.
But neither the Big Four Organized Music cartel members, Warner Music, Vivendi Universal, EMI and Sony BMG, nor their shareholders, are benefitting from this huge Net music phenomenon. They're still locked in the last century with outmoded physical business models and, "Many in the music industry grumble that downloading has been their downfall, and the business has aggressively tried to stop illegal file sharing," says AP.
The Big Four spare no expense in their bitter war against the 'consumers' whom, they claim, are thieves and criminals who "illegally" download music without paying for it.
This isn't, however, a criminal matter, efforts by the cartel's RIAA to elevate it to that level notwithstanding. It's a civil one. And what's at issue isn't if someone's broken a law it's whether or not he or she has infringed a copyright, which is a very long way from "criminal" or "illegal".
At the beginning of the case, Patti was a client of prestigious New York lawyers Beldock, Levine & Hoffman. However, a single mother, she couldn't afford the fees and she and B, L & H decided the only way she could continue was to become her own lawyer.
Now, spread the word. Blog, post, use IM, emails, ICR, whatever. Contact your local tv / radio station / newspaper. Can you get something on slashdot? Can you get the Fight Goliath campaign on Digg or anywhere else? And it doesn't matter where in the world you are. The results of the Patti case will affect you as well. That's why sites from countries such as Italy and the UK feature donation buttons.
Cheers! And thanks. And all the best ...
See:
Mother of 5 takes on Big Music - p2pnet Q&A with lawyer Ray Beckerman, August 28, 2005
RIAA victim talks to p2pnet - p2pnet Q&A with Patti Santangelo, September 4, 2005
The 'We're Not Taking Any More' club - Patti isn't the only who's who's had enough, September 17, 2005
Wanted: p2p tech experts - Santangelo's lawyers aren't impressed by RIAA 'evidence,' October 24, 2005
RIAA mass lawsuits 'improper' - Beckerman believes the RIAA oversteps the mark with mass subpoenas, November 21, 2005
1st RIAA trial: victim to defend herself - First news that Santangelo is on her own, December 6, 2005
Teens next RIAA victims - Just before Christmas, the Big Four decide Patti's children might also make targets, December 23, 2005
Santangelo picks up steam - Forced to acknowledge the saga, the mainstream media finally pick it up, December 28, 2005
Tech expert hacks at RIAA evidence - Zi Mei sets out to debunk RIAA 'technical' evidence, December 29, 2005
Patti Santangelo fights Goliath: II - Patti says, 'Thanks for the support,' December 17, 2005
Patti Santangelo campaign launch! - It's the last day of 2005 and the Fight Goliath campaign officially goes up, December 31, 2005
Sceptical about Patti Santangelo? - p2pnet columnist Alex H has a few thoughts for doubters, January 8, 2006
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http://p2pnet.net/story/7839
WHEN ARE YE GUYS GOING TO GET IT IN YE HEADS,(Patti Santangelo's } IS FIGHTING FOR YOU.
And ye guys will be next and soon ye guys will be taking on Warner Music, Vivendi Universal, EMI and Sony BMG, the desperate Big Four Organized Music Goliaths. as a knock on ye door or per telephone call.
THIS IS TO IMFORM ALL OF YOU,IF (Patti Santangelo's } LOOSES HER CASE YE MUSIC AND MOVIE DOWNLOADERS WILL BE NEXT TO BE SUED AS SOON AS THEY GET YE IP OR E-MAIL ADDRESS.
if ye can send her some money to help her to fight for you...
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6. February 2006 @ 18:52 |
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This just in, my cat has been sued. Apparently his tail got stuck in the USB port where my wireless USB adaptor goes and he somehow downloaded "The Best of Boy George." I just got the notice in the mail. I thought they were suing me for listening to Boy George, (makes sense) but apparently downloading copyrighted material is illegal. What load a mularkey, I mean who copyrighted "The Best of Boy George." While listening to Boy George isn't a felony (at least not yet), legislation is in the works to ban Michael Bolton from being played within a one mile radius of all Churches and residential areas.
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6. February 2006 @ 21:33 |
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No comment... I mean, what do you say to that? I'd laugh, but I don't see anything funny about this. This is just abuse of power and trigger-happy individual's who have nothing better to do than harass people who they know don't know anything about this sort of thing and can't effeciently protect themselves.
The RIAA isn't part of a democracy, it's the dictatorship.
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