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foreign DVD cause NTSC problems?
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6. February 2006 @ 13:18 |
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I got the DVD for The Beatles - Help!. It was a Korean disc but everything was in English, including the sleeves and covers. I have no problems backing up the disc using DVD Shrink and Nero. I burned to RiDate 2.4X DVD+DL on a NEC 3540 unit. When I tried to play the disc in my Panasonic RP-56 player, the read display got to 4 of 5 marks and then froze. I can't eject the disk, I can't switch discs, nothing. A friend suggested it's because the original still had the PAL leader and the player is seeing that and freaking out.
Any suggestions?
Thanks.
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6. February 2006 @ 14:27 |
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Is this an original pressed in dvd or a burned dvd from Korea?
Pal format is mostly european.If it came from england,that'd be a good possibility. Those issues will give you something like a black and white picture.Being from Korea,probably a bootleg/pirated disc?
If it's a burned dvd,it could have possibly been done in video mode instead of VR mode . I've encountered this from another member here.I ripped his copies that were in video mode with my computer.Neither the pc or stand alone player would recognize it because that disc I ripped was in video mode.He had the same results,that's why he sent them to me to backup for him.
Not many players can play that format,but most tv dvd recorders do.
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When I tried to play the disc in my Panasonic RP-56
Which disc got stuck? That ridata 2.4x backup or the korean disc?
If it's the korean disc,maybe it's the wrong region code?
Your stand alone player may have a small opening in the front where you can push a pin in it to get it to eject.
If it doesn't,flip down the from cover and see if there is a rubber belt on the side.Get a very small screwdriver and move that belt so the tray slides out.
Or you may have to pry it open.
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6. February 2006 @ 16:20 |
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Then there's a ten pound sledge and a big chisel. Before taking that route, try using the eject command in the freeware app DVDInfopro to see if it will override the drive and open the tray. Having AnyDVD or DVD Region+CSS Free will solve any region problems. I doubt you could have recorded though had the disc been locked to a different region than your system (without something like AnyDVD in use).
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6. February 2006 @ 17:07 |
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I got the DVD as a Korean version of the movie. The label says it was pressed by Sun and is All Region Code. The disc is silver with white lettering, not a HP discwrite bugger (or whatever they're called). The lettering looks like screen print as well.
I ripped it to the Ritek. The Ritek got stuck. I was able to jimmy it out by turning off the power strip on my cabinet for about ten seconds and turning it back on. I then pressed the Disc 1 button as the Ritek was in the Disc 2 tray. Poit! Out she came.
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6. February 2006 @ 19:47 |
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Glad you didn't have to use the hammer. ;) It has a tendency to leave the equipment inoperable.
If there's no problem with the original disc then you got a bad rip, bad burn, or bad media. RiData is a Ritek brand, and Ritek has been having some media issues lately. Is this your first burn with the media from the batch you have or have you had a number of successful burns before? You may want to find another worthy project and see if it is merely something to do with the Korean DVD or if you have other problems. If it's just a matter of compliance with the Korean disc, rip it to the HD and process the rip through FixVTS or VobBlanker to insure compliance and then burn. FixVTS requires you to have space twice that of the original as it gives you a backup of your original source. FixVTS is free by the way. All you do is open the source Video_TS folder, open FixVTS, for this uncheck any selections, drag the Video_TS VOB onto FixVTS, and click Full DVD. Then wait on the output. I cut the backup out of the Video_TS folder and paste it in a safe folder when I go to burn. If for some reason the new Video_TS is bad, just delete it (with the backup out of the folder of course) and rename the backup folder VIDEO_TS and you're back to the original rip. Normally though, if it's just a matter of compliance, FixVTS does the job easily.
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7. February 2006 @ 11:59 |
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Cool beans, Brownbear. I was wondering if there some critter out there that could fix a bad rip. I've been using either Ritek of Dyson DLs for the past few months. This is the first disc that crapped out on me. I still two BFHs around the house for minor repairs. Don't have my spud bar anymore, tho'. I'll try the FixVTS.
BTW - Have you read the recent translation of Beowulf? Really good with the original tongue on the opposite pages.
Oops! I made one mistake. My DVD player is a Panny DVD-CV51. I'm looking into replacing it after four years of faithful service.
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8. February 2006 @ 10:54 |
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Astute observation Mr Pyle. It's been a while since I visited Beowulf. The last time I was involved in a serious analysis of the work was in college.
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9. February 2006 @ 16:10 |
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Well, I tried FixVTS and it managed to shrink the disk from 5.8GB to around 4.GB When I tired burning with Nero I got a File allocation error and then it said VTS_1_0.VOB was missing. I even ran the original through DVDDecrypter, then thru DVDFab and then through DVDShrink. Suggestions? Two DL DVDs are now coasters. OUCH!
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9. February 2006 @ 17:54 |
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Sounds like you may be using the software in the wrong order. Rip the original DVD to the hard drive with AnyDVD + DVD Decrypter or use DVDFab Decrypter. I've used both methods with good success. Then open the VIDEO_TS folder, open FixVTS (make sure boxes are unchecked), drag the VIDEO_TS VOB and click Full DVD. I save the backup outside the folder when burning the new VIDEO_TS. I don't use FixVTS to shrink files, that I leave to a trancoder or encoder.
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10. February 2006 @ 17:32 |
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As I tried once more I realized something. There was no file called video_ts.VOB on the harddrvie for this movie. I opened the original disk and it doesn't have a video_ts.VOB file either. It has a video_ts.bup and a video_ts.ifo but no .VOB. Fascinating. Now what?
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10. February 2006 @ 18:09 |
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Drag one of the other VOB files onto the FixVTS window and with the boxes unchecked, click Full DVD and see what you get. I'll just note that for the DVDs I've checked, I've always had the VIDEO_TS IFO, BUP, and VOB files. Then it goes VTS_01_0 IFO, BUP, and VOB with some of the VTS segments having more than one VOB.
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11. February 2006 @ 08:53 |
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Tried it, Bro Bear. The read progress bar gets to 4 of 5 bars and hangs. At least now I can turn off the player without killing the power at the power strip. I guess them Koreans finally got a copy protection that works. Copy to your heart's content but forget about playing the copy.
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11. February 2006 @ 09:17 |
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It would be interesting to see what's on the disc causing the problem. Without a hands on, I couldn't venture another guess. Obviously the original is compliant and has the correct structure to play. If all the parts are there, and if it rips, normally FixVTS or VobBlanker can be used to make the files compliant.
What program did you use to rip the files to the hard drive?
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11. February 2006 @ 09:37 |
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Your earlier post indicates you may have a problem getting a clean rip for whatever reason. That is indicated by your statement that there is no VIDEO_TS VOB file. The disc is suspect, DVDs can play and still not be rocordable. That or you're missing something in the rip process. I've heard of no super Korean encryption systems. They're usually stock items or copies of what was on an original that got duped.
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25. February 2006 @ 10:26 |
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Guess what, BroBear, got another disc without the Video_ts.VOB file. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Here's the complete list of files on the disc:
VIDEO_TS.BUP
VIDEO_TS.IFO
VTS_01_0.BUP
VTS_01_0.IFO
VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_02_0.BUP
VTS_02_0.IFO
VTS_02_0.VOB
VTS_02_1.VOB
VTS_02_2.VOB
VTS_02_3.VOB
VTS_02_4.VOB
VTS_02_5.VOB
VTS_02_6.VOB
VTS_03_0.BUP
VTS_03_0.IFO
VTS_03_1.VOB
VTS_04_0.BUP
VTS_04_0.IFO
VTS_04_1.VOB
So it wasn't the odd ball fer-in disc. IS the VIDEO_TS.VOB file really needed? Nero says it's missing (DUH!) and the disc may not play correctly.
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25. February 2006 @ 13:53 |
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Didn't you just answer your own question? Out of all the movies I've checked, they had a VIDEO_TS.VOB file. The factory sometimes plays around with DVD structure to cause backup recording problems. So, I have no idea what you get, but you should have an IFO, BUP, and VOB for each file group when the structure is correct.
As far as Nero questioning burns, it does so when files don't appear compliant. Often when it's been due to factory protection, the questioned burn will play, at least in my experiences. Some programs won't burn if there is a question of files not being compliant. I find it an advantage with Nero because I've had a few burns questioned and they play the way they're supposed to. It depends on how sure you are of your backup skills, if you want to gamble a few cents on the burn.
If you continue to have compliance problems, try processing the files through, FixVTS, VobBlanker or DVD Shrink; they sometimes help.
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25. February 2006 @ 16:32 |
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Thanks, BroBear. Here's the kicker. I found a program on Afterdawn that creates an ISO file out of all the VOB, BUP, and IFO files. Worked like a charm. My Panny RP56 can't play the resulting disc, but my PC has no problem.
"Curiouser and curiouser", said Alice.
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25. February 2006 @ 18:19 |
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ISO is a more universal burning format. You still have, or should have, the same content as in the VIDEO_TS folder. In fact, if you look inside an ISO of a DVD video, what you have is an AUDIO_TS (empty) and the VIDEO_TS with all the DVD files (IFO, BUP, VOB). Converting the file format isn't going to change the problem file content, unless something additional is occurring to make the files compliant.
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