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Evod
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8. February 2006 @ 07:37 |
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I was trying to make some copies of backups and keep receiving errors. I have tried DVD Shrink, Nero, DVDFab, DVD Decryptor, and IsoBuster (although I'm not very familiar with it).
The discs I'm trying to copy are Prodisc (not sure of the media code since I'm at work) and using a Toshiba SD-R5372. Using each program it would get to the same VOB file and either give me an error or in DVDFab I left it there for 10+ hours at it didn't move at all.
The discs trying to be copied are not scratched at all and were burned within the past couple of weeks. I had no issue burning then and no issue now during playback.
I'm thinking it may be the media and I'm SOL but just wondering if anyone has any other programs or suggestions for trying to retrieve data from the disc. Thanks!
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8. February 2006 @ 10:21 |
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I don' tthink this will help you, im sorry, but.....
I had the same problem with a copy of Green Streets. i made one backup of it, then it wouldn't copy again. it got to 91% and then just either stopped, or said burn process failed.
Why don't you try and copy the original? Sometimes when you try to copy backups, there could have been something wrong in the burning of this backup, and there mey be a slight fault on the disc, which is why it is causing it to stop at the same VOB file?
Sorry i can't be of much help, i can only relate to my experiences as im nto a super whizz on dvds. Sorry agian, jsut trying to help:D
Thanks ireland!![afterdawn legend]
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8. February 2006 @ 10:29 |
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Apologies accepted Billy... You do what you can! LOL
If they always stop in the same place it would suggest a damaged disk... It may not look apparent to the naked eye but there's something in there... Do a 'scan disc' with Nero's CD/DVD Speed. It will tell you about the quality of the surface of your DVD. It might be good all around but one single sector... You might find that's where the VOB file is situated...
My 2 pence... Back to Billy.
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8. February 2006 @ 12:13 |
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Why thank you permiggs. That was Permiggs from "enter city and country here" giving his professional analysis of the situation so far. Now back to me here in the studio to give you a load of crap with good intentions, as im still a n00b pet. (owner:Permiggs)
Yes yes, i was about to suggest that myself.....he jsut beat me to it.
And if that doesn't work, then i suggest you check your dvd make an model, and make sure its not specifically designer for dvd recorders. This could be a problem. (points for trying here.)
Thanks ireland!![afterdawn legend]
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8. February 2006 @ 12:21 |
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LMAO!!
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as im still a n00b pet. (owner:Permiggs)
I was gonna make it official later... Good, you done it yourself! LLOLL
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8. February 2006 @ 22:26 |
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if you want to make a backup of your backup the programs that i use are ashampoo,Nero,Blindwrite and just do a disk copy and you have a backup of a backup
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8. February 2006 @ 23:22 |
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I was gonna make it official later... Good, you done it yourself! LLOLL
I couldn't resist, its such an honour. LOL
Thanks ireland!![afterdawn legend]
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9. February 2006 @ 00:37 |
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@billybob, try to adhere to the topic of the thread, if you cant help then dont reply.
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9. February 2006 @ 10:39 |
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I did try and help. And one post i was trying having a laugh with my friend? Chill out.
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@billybob, try to adhere to the topic of the thread, if you cant help then dont reply.
Sorry but i dont think this helped him copy his backup?
Anyway, IM not going to waste a post for just plain spite, so ill tell you that i just use Nero express to copy entire discs, and it usually doesn't have a problem for me.
Have you tried just doing a straight copy?
Thanks ireland!![afterdawn legend]
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9. February 2006 @ 10:53 |
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Alcohol 120% works for me when I do a 1:1 copy of a backup. Of course, that's when I forget to use Nero lol.
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9. February 2006 @ 11:17 |
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To successfully re-rip backups-These factors on your first backup copy that you want to re-rip:
1) Media quality is critical. Prodisc isn't a high quality manufacturer. Stick with the big boys like Taiyo yuden/Hitach/Verbatim/and Ritek. Quality media can be burned faster.Poor quality media usually has to be burned slower.This is the #1 issue when it comes to dvd backups. Compressing 6-7 gigs onto 4.38 is a very excruciating. Some of that crap media won't be able to cut it. Stand alone players may be able to play them perfect,but when you try to re-rip them,all those little errors or errors in the wrong spots will give you crc errors.
2) Burn speed on that first copy is also critical. Usually slower is recommended,but with some of these 16x writers-sometimes slower is worse. I am getting a few crc errors on some of my backups that were burned at 2.4x on hitachi maxell/Verbatim +16x/and Yuden000-T02. These discs actually scan better at 8x and 12x. 4x scans are worse than the 12x. I stick with 8x now on those MID coded media.
3) Paper/sticker labels. Big no-no and can cause issues like that if you are using them.
4) Backup target. A blank DVD-5 will actually hold approx 4.38 gigs of data.By burning to the edge of the disc,you can have a lot more issues. I keep mine at 4.36 gigs. Again,lower media quality may have to have an even lower reduced backup target of 4.3 gigs. You can easily change that target to 4360 mbs in DVD Shrink.
5) Firmare: Every dvd drive has firmware. This firmware tells the drive: If it is allowed to burn/how fast to burn/ and how it should write on your blank media.It controls the writing strategy.Sometimes a firmware update may be in order.
6) Burner quality: Another critical item. Some of those drives out there will produce a lot of errors,even using quality media. I have 3 of them that I no longer burn with. I also have 3 benqs that do my burning. I don't hear of too many TDK drives out there,so I don't know how the quality of their burns are.
7) Burn engine. They too have different characteristics to them. I can see a difference between my Nero backups and dvd decrypter's backups.You want the right burn engine that suits your TDK burner.
The list goes on and on. You just want your first backup copy to be as error free as possible.
Billybob:
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so ill tell you that i just use Nero express to copy entire discs, and it usually doesn't have a problem for me.
Are you talking about On the Fly with dual dvd drives?
I don't know if Evod has dual drives. If you can't rip it to your harddrive,Nero will probably coaster when it hits that bad sector if you try on the fly rip/burn.
I have no trouble on the fly burning with my backups. I do go by that list I just posted. I'm about 300 for 300 when it comes to On the Fly backups using my main pc that's in my sig. Now on a backup pc with my kypermedia +8x DVD-RW doing the reading and Benq 1620 burning,It won't allow me to do on the fly for some weird reason.
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9. February 2006 @ 12:13 |
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@Saugmon
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I have no trouble on the fly burning with my backups. I do go by that list I just posted. I'm about 300 for 300 when it comes to On the Fly backups using my main pc that's in my sig.
I wouldn't even try to burn on the fly with Nero... I had my shots at it but failed badly... But then again i don't have the kind of artillery you have available on your machine... LOL
That is a very big no-no to me and i also follow a similar guideline as yours. I'll just backup the conventional way even if it is a backup, in fact, all my last backup copying has been done with Decrypter for speed of use... I wouldn't advise on on the fly copying... Not to newbies anyway.
But that is my opinion... LOL
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9. February 2006 @ 14:45 |
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I don't do On the fly that much now.I did a couple last week,but usually just make the copies that's already on my hard drive.
It's very odd that my spare pc:Athlon 3000+ along with a half a gig of pc-2700 wouldn't do on the fly backups.It errors out as soon as click copy disc using nero's copy disc feature. It used to work.I use to have a lot of issues with black screens/blue screen of death/blew 4 powersupplies along with 3 gigs of ram.It performed best when burning on the fly. Now she's burning sweet,it's the opposite, go figure!
The only difference now,I have that pc of crap khypermedia being used as the reader,whereas before I had my Lite-on 167T as my reader.
Evod:
Another option is trying DVD Decrypter using Mode ISO read to hard drive and Mode ISO write/locate MDS files and burn. It's a more aggressive ripper.That backup is already down to the correct size,so that ISO mode would be a quicker option than using DVD Shrink to re-rip. I haven't had much luck with it,but you may.
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Evod
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9. February 2006 @ 18:48 |
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Sorry for not replying sooner guys. Thanks for all the suggestions.
I wish I could just use my original dvd but I left them back in Texas and I like having an extra copy of my movies so that my roommates can watch those.
saugmon:
I had tried the ISO mode in DVD Decryptor already and it would error out in the same spot. Also I have the most updated firmware for my burner.
rdmercer1:
I tried using Blindwrite but just like DVDFab it would just stay stuck on one file and not move.
Appreciate everyone's help but looks like I'm just stuck with one copy cuz of my media. Never had this issue until the last spindle of Prodisc I bought and I know that they changed the disc code. Looks like I'll be switching to one of the other brands you suggested saugmon.
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brobear
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9. February 2006 @ 19:16 |
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The dog ate my homework and the original DVDs were hidden there. Bad doggg...
Gwen
Rule 14. Most of us get off topic from time to time. A post with "let's get back to the topic" is less abrasive. That's just friendly advice, I'm no mod. ;)
Hmm... Copy of a copy. A search would show that question answered a few hundred times. I searched "Make a copy of a copy" and got over 50 hits. One simple answer, use disc copy. Even windows will copy an unprotected disc. All the work has already been done when the original was copied. Now say some stern words to the pup. LOL
As for problem sources, it's a simple matter of deduction; source, target media, hardware, or software. If it's stopping at the same spot, that indicates source. The first thing you need to do is run a read scan with DVDInfopro or the like. I've made copies that played well, but wouldn't record. On occasion, you may find factory discs with the same problem. Let us know if you get some bad sectors on the "read scan" graph that corresponds to the the position where the stall occurs in the copy process. Are you having any problems backing up factory DVDS or doing copies of some of your buddies DVDs?
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bonelipus
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23. February 2006 @ 17:12 |
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If you are using CloneDVD2 and AnyDVD you have to remember to keep AnyDVD2 running in the back ground!! AnyDVD will retain the protection even in a copy. So just keep it running when you are trying to copy a copy and, pesto!! Same result, hope that helps.
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23. February 2006 @ 17:18 |
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Did you get any errors like "Cyclic Redundancy" or anything? If so it's probably the media you're trying to copy...hope this helps or sorry if if it's no help. It does reek of bad media though...
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bonelipus
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23. February 2006 @ 17:18 |
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Presto!! Sorry and AnyDVD not 2. Just AnyDVD
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StanH1000
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23. February 2006 @ 17:31 |
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To copy a modestly damaged disk try the repair option in the program Check CD.. It is a free download and will work for DVDs as well as CDs. It takes a while but the repair mode of this program may get you thru a disk that is not heavily damaged (in which case nothing will work).
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brobear
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23. February 2006 @ 18:54 |
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Anybody notice this thread has been dead for about 2 weeks and no comment from the person who started it for even longer? From the sounds of it, with all failures happening on the same VOB file, that the error was one of not being able to process the file. Either the software being used was ineffective or the person had a flawed disc. Without further comment from Evod, this thread has become little more than a lot of idle speculation.
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AnyDVD will retain the protection even in a copy.
You should learn how the process works. Files can't be recorded if they have encryption and copy protection. That's why AnyDVD is used to remove the copyright protection for copy purposes. A copy is sized and protection free. Any copy software including the burn to CD in windows will copy a copy. I've had flawed copies before that wouldn't recopy but that would play without a problem. So, this type problem is old news and has nothing to do with copy protection.
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24. February 2006 @ 00:28 |
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I recall backing up Shaun of The Dead once with AnyDVD running, then making a copy of that first copy without AnyDVD running, and DVDShrink said there was no copy protection.
BTW, DVDFabDecrypter has worked everytime for the few copies of copies I've done recently.
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24. February 2006 @ 01:10 |
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@brobear I agree with you on the AnyDVD issue. The copy protection is removed when the back up is burned. That's why DVD copy programs are able to copy the now unprotected disc. Just open the backup disc with decrypter and it will tell you there is no copy protection prersent.
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jayp3724
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24. February 2006 @ 04:13 |
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You'll want some good advice about making backups of originals and backup copies get AnyDVD and CloneDVD you won't be disappointed.. I don't even use 321 anymore.. slysoft.com is where too go...
pay less than what you would for 321 and have all capabilities..
jay
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brobear
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24. February 2006 @ 06:45 |
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I don't understand going through using a transcoder to record files that have already been transcoded. It's a waste of time when any recording software will record a copy without protection. DVDCopy4, Shrink, CloneDVD 2 and other transcoders will do the task of transcoding once the user has a "clean" source. For quality though, an encoder can't be beat. That's why I use Rebuilder with Cinema Craft Encoder (RB/CCE). There's a free version with the HC encoder. http://www.dvd-rb.com You can find all you need at that link if interested and there's a section devoted to the software here on AD.
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