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charger16
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8. February 2006 @ 11:39 |
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This may not be related to this forum but I thought I'd ask anwyay. I recently burned a movie, for the first time, using a dual layer disc. When I tried playing the movie on my sony dvd player, I got a message that the disc was dirty. I cleaned the disc and player and got the same message. I tried playing the disc on my second dvd player-- an Emerson-- and it played just fine. Anyone know why I'm having this trouble?
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8. February 2006 @ 11:44 |
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Sounds like your Sony player just does not like the media. Is it an older player, because they have problems with the newer dual layers, also was it +R format and does your Sony play that format? I have a couple of lolder players that just will not recognize dual layer media.
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Cobrajet
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8. February 2006 @ 12:46 |
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Arniebear, do you mean your older players don't like burned DL discs, or even commercial pressed DL discs? All my DVD players are fairly new and up to date.
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8. February 2006 @ 13:36 |
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Old DVD Players hate burned DVD's- I have two friends that lived in the same apartment complex, and they both had the same model Sony DVD player... Except for one guy, his was one year newer, else they wre identical machines.
Well, the machine that was 1 year older, refused to play Burned Disks, VCD's MP3 cd's, but it would play Audio CD's and regular store bought DVDz.
I don;t remember the model number, but suffice it to say that any DVD player that was made in 1999 will probably not play Burned anything- Audio, Video, VCD.
Also: Dual Layer disks ought to play fine, if they were burned using DVD-Shrink to make a full sized ISO image. If they do not, well some older DVD players may actually accept burned disks, but in fact they reject dual layer burned disks.
I have a Sony DRU-AX500 4x + and - burner. It wil read regular DVD's butit will not read buned Dual Layer DVDs. This bothers me, cos I remember it used to play DL dvds. Or maybe I am mistaken, I bought that unit when it was brand new for $350 cos the only other burner was the Panasonic that was out that year, which was a stinker. Needless to say, the unite is actually a Lite-On burner, and two months after I forked over all that dough for it, a Lite-On DL burner was available for 80 bucks at PC Club. Go Figger. So, instead of buying that, know what I did? At the time, there was NO DL Media, so I bught a generic MSI 8x SL burner, it detected as "Atapi CD/DVD drive"
I even downloaded and applied the newest firmare patch to the Sony: This was sposed to fix that problem and allow the unite to read DL Burned DvDz- It did not work, so I had to use the patch to reset the firmware to the original version.
So, in regard to the subject of this topic, be mindful of how old your burner is, how old your DVD player is, and what kind of media they are both rated for. When you go out to buy a DVD player, make sure it says that it can play MP3 and JPEG disks. This will allow you to watch MPEG files right on the player.
There is a unit that will play DivX, but with DivX changing too much, it is not worth it to even bother, cos the codec changes every 4 months and newly encoded DivX/XviD files will not play with the older Codex.
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8. February 2006 @ 14:11 |
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The sony player that's in the living room hates any DVD that is NOT booktyped to DVD-Rom. Yes, it is kinda old. If not, it's gonna take forever to load and when it finally does, and plays, it will skip to another scene. When it's a DVD-Rom set disc, however, there are no problems :)
I haven't run into any issues with DL discs on that player.
On my own magnavox player, about a year and a half old, there hasn't been a DVD that it CANNOT play.
Latest AnyDVD to rip > VOBB to blank the unwanted on a DVD > Shrink to compress > ImgBurn to burn = Never starting a thread asking how to backup a movie
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surf714
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17. February 2006 @ 21:04 |
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I have two Sony stand-alone players.
DVP-NS-775V, which is the newer of the two plays the burned DL.
DVP-NS-575P gives me the C U 13 Disc Dirty error every time.
I've thrown away quite a few DL burns that I thought were bad, until reading the reply to the original poster....DOH!
Anyway, thanks for the advice...guess it's time to update the bedroom DVD player.
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charger16
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18. February 2006 @ 01:40 |
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I bought a new Sony player last week and have had no problems since.
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ddp
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18. February 2006 @ 06:28 |
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18. February 2006 @ 06:36 |
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like pink said, set book type to dvd rom and try playing. i have 2 older players and that worked for me.
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slamothe
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18. February 2006 @ 07:08 |
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Older DVD players accept store bought DVDs because the data is physically stamped at the factory. This makes for a much more tolerant focus range for the laser detector. The problem with burned DVD's is that the actual depth and coefficient of reflection of the burned sector is not a good as a stamp disc.
The moral of the story is to basically buy the cheap DVD players then sell it as a used unit every two years to get the latest cheap DVD. Most new DVD players now have the capability of accepting burned Dual-Layer DVDs (DVD-9).
But, at the current price of Dual Layer DVD, I don't think it makes much sense to burn on this media until about 1 year from now when the media will be 1/4 the price.
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18. February 2006 @ 09:10 |
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You really have 2 options. Buy a dvdrw drive that is capable of bitsetting/booktyping ($40-50), personally I would try this 1st, or buy new set top dvd players that will play all formats ($30 up). Note: you may need to booktype your DL dvd+r's to dvd-rom anyway to get them to play in even some newer set top players.
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18. February 2006 @ 11:21 |
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i want to point out that nobody did mention the brand of media.. verbatim has been the only one that has not given ppl as much trouble as the memosux DL.. and the other DLs.
yes.. i agree with the booktyping.. but if the media is no good.. it would make no difference.
bottom line: dont use cheap media..
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surf714
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18. February 2006 @ 18:20 |
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Thelox, you're exactly right on the media type. Although my older Sony wouldnt play either, my newer Sony would play both the cheap (Fry's GQ brand) and Ridata DL. I did purchase a cheap Stand alone (Philips DVP642 today, and it will play the Ridata DL burns, but not the Fry's GQ Brand cheap stuff.
My burners are AOpen DUW1608 and AOpen DUW1616, the latter being the newer of the two.
How do I set the book type to what everyone is saying to do to help?
Thanks
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18. February 2006 @ 18:32 |
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you will need to check the website for the manafacturer. they may have update firmware.. or search thru google for hacked firmware..
be warned.. flashing your drive may fry it if its not done right. (no pun intended).
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26. February 2006 @ 05:16 |
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Here's a question I'll pose along these lines. I have 2 Opto-Rite burners. One is a single layer and one is a dual layer. I have had excellent results trouble free using generic "Staples" brand DVD-R blanks. Recently, I purchased a Panasonic DMR-ES30V Combination VCR / DVD Recorder. By itself, it will play any DVD including those burned on itself. Now, if I copy a DVD on either of my Opto-Rite drives after using 123 CopyDVD, iso4u and DVD Decrypter, the burned DVDs will play back flawlessly on my kid's player, my van's player, my portable unit, and those players that belong to friends and family. But, if I try to play back any copied DVDs on the Panasonic DMR-ES30V, it tells me invalid media (The ES30v is supposed to record and playback all formats of DVD).. Any ideas as to why this system won't play my copies? Thank in advance for your input..
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surf714
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26. February 2006 @ 07:07 |
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Could be the same problem I ran into with my older Sonly Standalone player. It turned out to be that it just wouldn't recognize certain brands of media. I use DVD-5 generic Fry's brand 8x media (made by Sony)that work flawlessly in any of my players/recorders.
When I made the jump to DL media though, I ran into the problem where my older Sony Standalone wouldn't read it.
Someone recommended that I use the software "DVD Identifier" to determine the manufacturer of my media. The DL Fry's Generic that I was having problems with was made by Ricoh.
You may want to just try a different brand of media and see if that makes a difference. Try using the DVD Identifier first to be sure you don't waste $$ buying the same manufacturer media that are giving you trouble.
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26. February 2006 @ 09:36 |
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Any media that I can burn will play in all of my standalone DVD players. This includes junk media all the way to the highest quality media. The only catch is that ALL of my backups are DVD+ booktyped DVD-ROM.
IMHO, if you can booktype it DVD-ROM, it will play anywhere.
If you use junk media, it will likely deteriorate rapidly - leaving you with backups that pixelate, freeze, or just stop working.
Invest in a burner that supports booktyping, purchase only DVD+ media, and booktype every backup you make. Heck, my backups have been tried and tested in Grandma's first generation DVD player! They work without problems!
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piikea
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28. February 2006 @ 10:16 |
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Simplistic question - after researching for booktype-ing info still unclear.....you must change the burning software (Nero in my case) from +R to Dvd-rom AND do something to the drive's firmware itself ALSO in order to get greater DL compatibilty in standalones? Is this correct?
I have a LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1633S [CD-ROM] burner. No clue on it's firmware. Burned a Ridata DVD+R DL disc which won't play in my Zenith (ugh) standalone & want to re-burn as Dvd-rom & see if it will play it. It plays NTSC & PAL DVD-R's fine generally. Or I could try burning it on a " -R " DL disc & see if it plays that.....
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28. February 2006 @ 14:48 |
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Your Lite=on drive is capable of booktyping. Here is the Lite-on site you can go there and check for fw update for your burner. Probably needs it, this will help in recognition of new media and burn speed. Also, dl the booktype utility this will enable you to booktype your Litey.
http://www.liteonit.com/ODD/English/e_downloads/e_firmware_dvd%20...
http://www.liteonit.com/ODD/English/e_downloads/e_utility.asp
Try your dual layer backup on another player if you can, not all players will accept dual layer burned disks. I had some problems on a couple of mine 3 players played them perfectly and 2 players froze. You are better off booktyping a +R disk if you can, they are better to burn with, it is easier for the program to set the layer break.
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piikea
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28. February 2006 @ 17:10 |
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Thanks for the info. I found a guide (http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/272946 )
to setting Nero 7 to booktype to DVD-Rom "automatically" HOWEVER
under ?Options" there is no "Book Type Settings" to set to "Automatic" in MY Nero version (?).
I've looked around for where else it might be but can't find the way to change the Book Type settings. Is there another way?
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28. February 2006 @ 18:13 |
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piikea
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28. February 2006 @ 18:49 |
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Ahha....I didn't realize you do the burner w/o having to do the burning software as well.
The Ridata DVD+R DL disc I burned previously will play in a different standalone I tried it on so hopefully MY standalone doesn't just have a problem playing/accepting dual layer burned disks (in which case booktype/bitsetting may not do me any good since I haven't had problems playing any other dvd's except DL's.)
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28. February 2006 @ 19:34 |
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I would still booktype your DVD+R DL discs to dvd-rom for added insurance. Dvd-rom is the most compatable format and with the lite-on booktype utility it will automatically booktype all your DVD+R media to dvd-rom unless you change it back. Set it and forget it.
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