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MPAA: DRM is here to save consumers from piracy
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 11 February, 2006
The Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) boss Dan Glickman has a pretty radical view on why Digital Rights Management (DRM) and copy protection exist. One would guess that besides using copy protection and DRM to effectively control how people can enjoy their movies and other content, it is there to stop pirates from mass producing pirate copies and selling them for a small fraction ... [ read the full article ]
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11. February 2006 @ 10:10 |
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Lets make fair use iliage and throw 10 year olds in jail for shareing mix tapes digitaly >>
I love the whole DeCSS thing to,this guy makes a codec to run DVDs on linux and its able to be eaily converted over to windose and the MPAA mifia tries and sues him becuse they talking a loss becuse they can no longer sell thier DVD codecs to DVD palyer software makers ><
As for makeing the tools to break Copy protection illiage that is BS nothing like haveing corperations tell you you cant make a legit backup of soemthign you owen.My god soon it will be illage to tape TV and radio shows ><.
Region Coding is like trying to blur out nipples on soemones shirt on a R moive.the stupidity must end.....
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trigga71
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11. February 2006 @ 10:39 |
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I agree with both the article's comments and the comment posted above. If the movie, music and software industrys are going under because of pirating then why do they make billions more than the people that make these laws? If I made a movie i would want some type on copy protection on it, but not one that FORCES my consumers to continue to buy the same thing over and over again. These industries act like people want the CRAPY ASS movies music and software, no wonder people download it for free. Im sure they dont want to pay for crap just a we dont.
The Real Solution : MAKE BETTER PRODUCTS & PEOPLE WILL BUY IT!
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11. February 2006 @ 11:11 |
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Well, I have to say I also to agree to what you guys said and what the article is about. I think we all know that the whole of idea of consumer rights is getting pretty skewed, and that the RIAA, MPAA, or whoever is out to make a buck will do whatever it takes to screw the consumer (You) out of more money.
The question is what can we (as consumers) do about it?
Seriously, I mean I could write a letter to my congressman, maybe sign a petition online, or boycott something...but is there anything we can really do to make a difference in the legislation? If every one in gov't is in bed with the RIAA or MPAA or even lobbyist groups what can we really do?
I'm not saying this to be a defeatist, quite the opposite really.I bet we could all make a difference. We just have to figure out how. Any good ideas?
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staticx82
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11. February 2006 @ 11:28 |
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Let me get this straight. Somehow DRM is able to protect against theft on the high seas? I don't see how.
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What is Piracy?
Piracy: Robbery committed at sea.
Pirate: One who robs at sea or plunders the land from the sea without commission from a sovereign nation.
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11. February 2006 @ 12:19 |
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Well, the instant I saw the title of this article I knew it would be total BS from the entertainment industry again. I don't buy movies or even go to the movies anymore. Why? I don't want to support the criminals who sue children and treat their customers like worse criminals. You don't sell dull knives just because a customer could 'possibly' use them to commit murder. Not only has DRM proven completely ineffective against copyright infringement, but it's made the "legitimate" material that the entertainment industry sells inferior to what people can "pirate" off the internet. If there's a DVD in stores that I can't rip or play on my computer, I'd rather just download it off the internet for free instead of buying it - better product, better price. The entertainment industry needs to be reminded that they are there to make our lives more enjoyable - not to come up with new hassles to deal with.
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11. February 2006 @ 13:03 |
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trigga71
well they wont ever make better,but make them more cost efficve is all we can hope for.its like the whole thing with OSs coperations can get OEMs for 100-150 put pll who buy home eds hve to shell out twice that and small bizzness get arse raped shelling out 1G$ plus for the honer of runing new windose on more than 1 PC.....back to Vid and music I see it over priced 10-20$
and rarely want to buy it I was thinking of gettign the remastered Star wars 3-4 on DVD and I cant find a non screwed over version of it (ending of 3 they repelased the old actor wif anikin from Ep3 (puke))
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Tashammer
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11. February 2006 @ 14:18 |
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Nothing much will come of protests to stop DRM and actions of that ilk. Why? Because the bulk of purchasers don't care. MOst folks just buy, listen or watch and that is it. As for the fbi warnings and similar most folks just tune those out. All they are interested in is the tune or video, nothing else. As for individual rights? Well, they are something that happens on another planet.
Nothing new about this and it applies to most things. It isn't apathy, it isn't disinterest, it is just human.
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11. February 2006 @ 14:29 |
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pretty much the coperations will lead the lamps around for slaghter as they will...I cant wait till they ahve to put up with china when china owens the US they will run out of money quick paying off them ><
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Tashammer
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11. February 2006 @ 14:42 |
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ZIppyDSM you make good sense. Folks more often than not are unable to see beyond their nose ends. Australia that had spent years breeding up fine fleece merino sheep then went and sold live rams and ewes to China - does Australia think that China will not have bigger and better flocks than eventually? It is that sort of short term/quick return/maximum eploitative attitude that makes things worse for everyone in the long run.
Encouraging China to become the rapacious consumer like the West is very bad news. Harangues about how China deserves to be like the west are usually given by folks who stand to profit or by their supporters. Who said that the Western style of life is something worth aspiring to? Look up the word "wasichu" that defines much of western attitudes.
During the time of Ghengis Khan, which we all will remember, the Han Chinese had the best way of defeating an enemy - they absorbed them - this will happen again as China does on a much larger scale what Japan did - buy up all the companies and producers.
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trigga71
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11. February 2006 @ 17:08 |
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I remember what DVD was not only better because of its video quality but because it didnt have previews of movies in the beginning. The last movie i went to see was Saw 2 (not bad buy the way) but was it worth the 20 bucks to see it in the movies, no i could have stayed home downloaded it (not as good quality) and been playing my ps2 ( with free games that i download because there over priced) or cable (that the only reason i have is because Hargray cant split there cable and internet. I would be differant if when you bought a PS2 you got 2 controllers and a memory card and a DEMO disk (like the psx) but you dont they want you to fork over the cash and give you a cheap ass product that will break 1 week out of warranty. you can get just about anything off the internet, like older movies and remaster it at home with software you downloaded and burn it down to dvd, insted they wannt sell the same Wizard of Oz for 10 bucks more than the original and its the same thing. The way i look at it is somebody had to pay for it so i could download it off the internet. So they got there money, witch was too much to begin with
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11. February 2006 @ 21:00 |
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Tashammer
hows the
aus-a-doph-a-lus (sorry if I cant spell it right)
down there?? :P *L*
I try to see thigns with soem form of balance its funny to see every other nataion getting better 3X faster than thos of us in the USA and the goverment is blind to not wanting to protect the bleeding we are doing soon we wil be a 3rd world nation at this rate.....
trigga71
Dont you mean DVDs that force you to watch previews? :P
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wheelman7
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12. February 2006 @ 00:05 |
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I agree with everything said up there, the MPAA and even RIAA are ass holes. I just want to buy once and use it on all MY devices.
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Tashammer
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12. February 2006 @ 00:12 |
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ZIppyDSM
What on earth is an aus-a-doph-a-lus?
the closest i can come to is acidophulus and that is in yoghurt.
Describe the beastie for me.
May i ask if you have dyslexia or ESL ? (That is a straight question, nothing rude intended).
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freshguy
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12. February 2006 @ 00:28 |
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Thank you Mr. Glickman. I'm certain that you already have a Sainthood waiting for you in reward for your totally unselfish DRM contols. (Is Saint Dan already taken?)
Maybe we consumers can somehow reciprocate by not purchasing any of your products that contain your rip-off DRM sanctions. In this way, perhaps, we can curtail the flow of some of that nasty revenue that you and your associates are too lazy to get off of your asses and legitimately earn. By doing this, we consumers would actually be doing you the favor of helping you to see yourselves for the greedy, arrogant bullies that you have become. Please forgive me for the new adjective that I unfortunately omitted as this article truly earns you the right to be known as disingenuous.
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12. February 2006 @ 06:20 |
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who says that I need to be saved.I need to be saved from these cd and dvd that get sratched so easy and be able to back them up if my movies block up.
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khmernize
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12. February 2006 @ 08:53 |
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I like foreign films and i hate it when i can't watch it here in the US and i'm forced to burn it on a dvd so i can play it on my dvd player. Many import movies are change and/or converted so it can suit the movie industry. Majority of the time when they add their own changes, the movie totally suck, ie Ong Bak. They change everything when the movie is already good.
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12. February 2006 @ 11:30 |
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Tashammer
Didnt Austraila vote some time ago (1-2 years) for a name to kangaroo meat? and they came up with ausadophalus or soemthing.
Sorry if I am confused I rmeember the damnest thigns *L*
I got a few learnign disabilies acutly 0-o
I realy should use spell checkers more I give me online friends headaches when I type LOL
My flow of thoughts and words is off,add alil dislexia,I forget what ELS is its been a decade or so sicne I been tested and they keep changeing whats what 0-o
Gramer,writeing,math, blah I am lucky I think sometimes my IQ is high just my mind shifts from 50 to 200 on its owen 0-o
khmernize
thats why if you buy a DVD palyer get a regoin free one :3
freshguy
*nodsnodsnodsnods*
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Tashammer
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12. February 2006 @ 12:00 |
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ZIppyDSM , i didn't know that was what some prat had come up with for a name for exported roo meat. We don't eat roo here is Tasmania, we eat the smaller cousins, wallaby, but they call it roo meat anyway, go figure. Tassy only has 1 type of kangaroo a little 7' feller called a Forester and it is protected.
Yer it's a sod, i live with 1 or 2 problems myself. ESL = English as a Second Language. I think the ailments and the disabilities are Natures way of making things equal - i have a high iq if you believe the tests but, by crikey, you wouldn't think so sometimes.
Hmm, i think i have veered off topic a little <grin>.
The words that may help describe Dan Glickman and others of his ilk are: rationalizing, immoral, opportunistic, rapacious. He clearly demonstrates that, in lawyers, the distance between an asshole and intellect is very short.
What gives them added strength is that they appeal to what all of us have and that is the need to protect our property. In them, though, the need is mainlined to greed.
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advent
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12. February 2006 @ 14:02 |
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For a supposedly intelligent? man, Mr Glickman talks a load of rubbish. All DRM will do is alienate people towards the MPAA and the RIAA.
The trouble is that most governments are bought and paid for by big business and allow this to happen.
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ryuvcloud
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12. February 2006 @ 14:11 |
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go tassies "love this place" nice to see some tassies about
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13. February 2006 @ 01:42 |
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I bet you Glickman's ego gauge went up 10 points after spittin' that crap.
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akkuma
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13. February 2006 @ 03:51 |
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its all about control and all i see is them trying to control the way we spend our money. if i purchase a video ipod and a dvd who the hell has the right to tell me i cant put that movie on it. they were both bought legally. also if my dvd gets scratched as they often do i MUST buy a new one?? they are placing the blame everywhere except where it belongs. stop charging 10.00 for a movie thats crap and only 1hr 15 minutes long and previews that last 20 minutes, then the average person would go see one more often.
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S2K
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13. February 2006 @ 03:55 |
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this may be an anthema here but there are circumstances where DRM makes sense. I just doubt it would be impliment reasonably.
Right now If I rent a title from Netflix, of the approximately $2.00, the post office gets $0.80, the envelope maker probably guys probably gets $0.05, and maybe the studio gets $0.40 to $0.50.
I the studios would allow me to download a dvd quality,(average 5 mb), it would take less than overnight on my average broadband (3mps). this is 1/4 to 1/10 the time of Netflix if I picked it on my que.
If I could pay the studio $0.60 and a broadband surcharge of say $0.15, for viewing rights in my home for 48 hours, the studios/rights holder would be making more than through netflix, I would be paying less, and I would get my title in much less time and effort than dvd rental by mail or driving to the blockbuster.
IN short if the fee were $0.75 I would not mind.
Given the basic numbers we all know from Netflix (return to studios of about $0.50 per rental) I cant see why a pay per view over 48hours of everything every made cant be done. the technology is not that difficult it could be accomplished with set top boxes with $10 of hard drive (20gb or four movies), a nic, and pretty cheap chiset with solid encryption.
I just don;t think they studios are ready to charge less than a dollar even though the secret is out and they charge much less than that when you get it fform netflix (which if course is easy as pie to copy)
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13. February 2006 @ 06:08 |
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I really understand artist and movie makers urge to have something to stop ppl from copying dvd and cd to/from internet. It´s just that there is no way it can be done with out pissing off those who want to make backups for their movies and cd´s. I used to make image copies of my game cd to hd because i didint have to waste my time looking for cd/dvd and when they are stored correctly they dont get scratched. Thx to new law in here i cant do that anymore. Thats f*ck up.Mostly because of what they do to screw average consumer i have stopped buying cd and buy only few movies a year. And dont expect ppl to buy Blu-ray movies if quality is same as dvd´s i.e in linux.
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GrayArea
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13. February 2006 @ 07:33 |
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Casual, honest users engage in what the movie industry calls "piracy" to provide guidlines for the industry as to what the public's rights and reasonable expectations are when using movive industry products. Without these guidelines the industy runs the risk of becoming complacent with their offerings and treating their customers badly.
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