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Blockiness - why do YOU still use shrink? (56k warning)
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vairox
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1. March 2006 @ 13:48 |
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just wondering why you folks still use transcoders like dvdshrink....the speed?
heres a frame from the movie "heat", top is original from DVD, middle is CCE at 6pass (would look pretty much the same in 2 pass) and the bottom is rejig (transcoder, like dvdshrink)
transcoders rape your source like fresh prison meat...
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Rick6
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1. March 2006 @ 14:21 |
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I would be interested in hearing more on this especially if it means I can make a better back-up. Just what is CCE ?
Thanks.
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Bruce999
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1. March 2006 @ 14:24 |
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I continue to use DVDShrink, but I choose "no compression."
I have never seen the blockiness you report.
I would rather split to two discs than lose picture quality.
(By the way, your images might have had more of an effect had you also posted the same frame from the original disc, so we could determine how much was being lost from choosing to use any form of compression. At least, I assume that is the point you attempted to make... am I correct?)
-Bruce
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vairox
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1. March 2006 @ 14:42 |
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rick6 - CCE is cinemacraft encoder (very simple to use), basically it re-encodes the mpeg 2 file, shrink and other transcoders just do a quick rape of the dvd by pulling out half of the data with no consideration of where it's coming from...just rapes each frame equally and without lube i might add... bruce, coming right up brotha
edit: there u go, top = original, ripped dvd with DVDecrypt
middle is cce at 6 pass and bottom is rejig...
also note that a chose a frame with fast movement just to see the extremes
Northwood 2.4c @ 3.0
970 gigs HD
1 gig ram
x850 xt agp @ PE ($189 microcenter)
Pioneer DVR-111D @ DVR-111L 8.19
Sony DWU-14A @ DRU-510A
PS2 v7
Magic 3.1
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. - Ezekiel 25:17
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1. March 2006 @ 14:49 |
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I may add that Heat is like a 3 hour movie. Regardless of what program you use, if you're gonna compress, you're gonna lose quality.
Also, Shrink is free.
Latest AnyDVD to rip > VOBB to blank the unwanted on a DVD > Shrink to compress > ImgBurn to burn = Never starting a thread asking how to backup a movie
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vairox
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1. March 2006 @ 14:54 |
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Quote:
I may add that Heat is like a 3 hour movie. Regardless of what program you use, if you're gonna compress, you're gonna lose quality.
Also, Shrink is free.
how much you lose is really the point, you are right....any compression will cause a loss of quality, thats just how the cookie crumbles... personally i'd rather have an almost indistinguishable loss of quality than a massive amount for the same size... yeah heat is 2 hours 50 mins
also dvdrebuilder has a free version (very simple to use program)
Northwood 2.4c @ 3.0
970 gigs HD
1 gig ram
x850 xt agp @ PE ($189 microcenter)
Pioneer DVR-111D @ DVR-111L 8.19
Sony DWU-14A @ DRU-510A
PS2 v7
Magic 3.1
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. - Ezekiel 25:17
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N2DVD
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1. March 2006 @ 15:02 |
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Can I add that the frame itself (As it is meant to be)is blury? To answer your question though, I find that because DVD Shrink actually has a built in decrypter if somehow works on some difficult flicks I've run accross. It's a great back-up or alternate software to AnyDVD VOB Blanker & Nero which are the 3 programs I use most. AnyDVD alone is a monsta and must have for back-ups these days and VOB just does the unexpected and has come through for me every time.:P
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vairox
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1. March 2006 @ 15:21 |
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blurry cause it fast movement, ill get you a better example ....
Northwood 2.4c @ 3.0
970 gigs HD
1 gig ram
x850 xt agp @ PE ($189 microcenter)
Pioneer DVR-111D @ DVR-111L 8.19
Sony DWU-14A @ DRU-510A
PS2 v7
Magic 3.1
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. - Ezekiel 25:17
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1. March 2006 @ 15:35 |
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I've never had a problem with DVD Shrink , which is why I continue to use it, if I were to get some bad quality back-ups I'd definately switch to CCE...
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vairox
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1. March 2006 @ 15:59 |
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ruins, you cant really tell on a regular tv... on your comp screen you can tell bigtime, for quick backups dvdshrink is a winner, one click and go no hassles, ive showed many computer retards how to backup using that and dvdclone... it's great for a quick solution...
heres another example, val kilmer is running in the shootout, may be somewhat blurry but remember they film this crap at 24fps and when you pan a camera it's gonna get blurry....thats just how it is...
original
cce
rejig transcoder
this is zoomed in 150%, not resized, just zoomed in to get a better idea...
in non movement scenes all 3 are almost indistinguishable, you cant tell which is which... movement kills the transcoder
Northwood 2.4c @ 3.0
970 gigs HD
1 gig ram
x850 xt agp @ PE ($189 microcenter)
Pioneer DVR-111D @ DVR-111L 8.19
Sony DWU-14A @ DRU-510A
PS2 v7
Magic 3.1
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides
By the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. - Ezekiel 25:17
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dana0069
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1. March 2006 @ 16:07 |
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Maybe its just me but...the difference in quality is so mininmal, you'd have to be watching for it to even notice it, remember these are back ups of the original, so no need to be that picky.
Anyway, thats just my opinion
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1. March 2006 @ 16:22 |
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I absolutely love DVD-RB Pro, I use both CCE or HC encoder. I usually use 4 passes (3 true passes) with CCE, and after seeing the results compared to Shrink/Recode for myself, I have not gone back to eigher transcoder. Don't get me wrong, they are great programs, but the quality can just not compare to DVD-RB teamed with either encoder.
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Car.Mike
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1. March 2006 @ 16:36 |
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The noticable difference is when you have a long movie like LOTR. I did the movie w/ Shrink and I view it on a 40" HD TV and it looks good. I re-did the movie w/ DVD-RB using HC and it is a world of difference. It is a way better copy but for the average person that wants to get their movie done in 30 minutes then stay w/ the transcoders as using DVD-RB to do LOTR took me 2 1/2 hours total to do
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1. March 2006 @ 17:12 |
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I also have DVD-RB. It is great, no doubt about it. With Patton, for example, I used DVD-RB for the first time, and yes, the results are magnificent. However, a majority of the movies I have, I won't want to use rebuilder because it just takes too long. For example, I did the Bret Hart DVD, one disc alone took almost 5 hours, and that was before turning it into an image and burning it. For this reason, and others, I choose to use Shrink with the quality enhancements and deep analysis.
Latest AnyDVD to rip > VOBB to blank the unwanted on a DVD > Shrink to compress > ImgBurn to burn = Never starting a thread asking how to backup a movie
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1. March 2006 @ 17:29 |
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There has always been two schools of thought here, some folks really strive for the best possible quality in their backups or other video work and spend hours making it happen. Others simply want a reasonable backup in a short period of time without having to engage to many brain cells.
Movie only backups with Shrink yields acceptable results for folks with modest playback equipment. In my case speed is an issue, I burn three or four movies in an evening. I'll watch one while burning the remainder.
variox does make me feel like I should work harder though. Quality is always important and obtainable without much more effort. I actually have CCE and really should drag it out once in a while. I just wish I could find a movie that is worthy. Seems like a bunch of crap lately.
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1. March 2006 @ 17:55 |
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I also do about 3 movies in one night, I just use DVD-RB batch processing. Takes care of all of the movies back to back...just initialize the process and the rest is taken care of for you. Granted it takes the entire evening, but wake up in the morning to 3 finished movies without too much hassle.
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Rick6
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1. March 2006 @ 21:15 |
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Sounds like you guys agree that there are ways to get as better quality back up using something other then shrink.So here is my question .Is it posible using a program that allows for a better quality back up also exstends the life of the copy? Just a thought.
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Car.Mike
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2. March 2006 @ 02:58 |
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The copies life span corresponds w/ the blank media you use and how you store it. Better media longer life
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Rick6
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2. March 2006 @ 05:38 |
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Car.Mike I have been using the Taiyo Yuden media. If stored properly what is your understanding as to how long they may last?
Thanks.
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Car.Mike
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2. March 2006 @ 08:30 |
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Rick6 ,
I read somewhere like 100 years but I am not going to hold my breath on that. I figure if I get 10-20+ years I'll be doing good
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2. March 2006 @ 09:23 |
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For me, any movie(s) that has 40% or lower of compressions needed, I'll just use Nero Recode 2 with "AA + HQSR" plus "Assign best quality to the Main Movie" and it should be good. For any movie(s) that has 45% - 50% or more compressions needed, then I'll go with DVD Rebuilder Pro + CCE SP.
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