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Video_ts too big for DVD-R...pls help!
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SiSaid
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10. March 2006 @ 20:46 |
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Hi every1,
I'm new to this so please bear with me.
I have downloaded a movie from the internet,it was 730 MB..and I have converted it to dvd with winavi.
The filesize is now a little bit over 5 GB...so it's too big to burn it on a 4.7 DVD-R.So my question is;How can I minimize it so it'll fit on the DVD-R 4.7???
Is there a program I must use???
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10. March 2006 @ 21:34 |
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dvd shrink is the software you are looking for the guide is in my sig
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SiSaid
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10. March 2006 @ 22:56 |
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Thanks a lot!...I'll give it a try.
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brobear
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10. March 2006 @ 23:13 |
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There are quite a few apps that transcode or encode a movie. DVD Shrink is the best freeware available. On the retail side there are a lot of decent transcoders. By the way, a transcoder or encoder's function is to fit (shrink) the movie to the correct size for the target media. Some are now fitting files to work on the higher capacity DL media. Recode2 in the Nero suite, DVDCopy4 from InterVideo, DVDFab from DVDIdle, and CloneDVD2 from SlySoft are just a few of the high end transcoders available. If you ever want to use the best quality, check out RB/CCE. It's a bit more involved, but simplified enough that newbies are now using it. Long trials are available for most of these apps and RB has a free version and a free encoder named HC.
For future reference, with factory DVDs, don't forget those are encrypted and have other copyright protections. A program like AnyDVD from Slysoft is needed with those.
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OzMick
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11. March 2006 @ 00:15 |
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I've never used winavi, but maybe you could look around in the settings somewhere to change the bitrate or resolution that it re-encodes it at. If you can encode it at the correct size the first time you won't need to spend more time shrinking it back down, and your quality will be higher, probably not so much in this case as you started with a small file.
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brobear
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11. March 2006 @ 00:37 |
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First you convert, then you size to the target media. There may be some software that does both, but I've not stumbled across it yet. It would have to be a conversion tool and transcoder combined. WinAVI, ConvertXtoDVD, and NeroVisionExpress 3 (NVE3), and NeroVision 4 (NV4) are all conversion tools. They're not transcoding tools meant to trasnscode movies. They don't have adjustable settings to alter bitrates and the like in order to select output sizes. That's what transcoders and encoders are all about.
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OzMick
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11. March 2006 @ 01:18 |
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I understand where you are coming from, but I'm just used to using TMPGEnc, where you have full control over everything in the process. Thought it might have had the ability to fine tune it, I have used TMPGEnc a couple of times to fit as many anime episodes as I like onto one disc by precisely picking the resolution and bitrate.
I've always been of the attitude that you should pick a target media size and encode to fit it. Otherwise you are upsampling then downsampling, and being a lossy conversion, potentially lose information. A bit of a guide is here, written for the use of DVDLab, but applies here nonetheless: http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/tutorial/bitrate.html
TMPGEnc does come with (or at least USED to) a 1 month free trail of MPEG-2 functionality, so if you were so inclined you could investigate using it at least, but would probably take more time to master it than to just do what has been suggested by others with Shrink. It IS very useful if you ever want to do your own DVD authoring though.
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11. March 2006 @ 06:44 |
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@OzMick,
@brobear
Winavi does the same(i use version 7), you can set the target size to custom and the bit rate will be adjusted automatically to make the resulting files fit onto a SL DVD. I use it quite a bit when I want speed over the quality and menu that I can get with NV4:
http://forum.videohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=255111
Same thing with Nero Vision 4. You can adjust the quality settings/target size and even fit 2 regular movies onto one SL DVD. You can set the quality setting to automatic and target size custom, or you can manually adjust the Bit Rate.
Here is a nice picture by Gwendolin(hope you don't mind I am using it, don't have Nero where I am now:~)!)
If you set the target size to SL DVD and QS Automatic, don't have to mess with bit rate setting. If you know what you are doing, you can do that.
I have never used ConvertXtoDVD, but it makes sense to have the same posibility, otherwise would be really not helpful having to do an extra step and shrink the files.
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11. March 2006 @ 08:46 |
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jesus a 700 mb AVI to over 5gb!!!!
the easiest thing to use is the latest release from convertXtodvd,
http://www.vso-software.fr/products/convert_x_to_dvd/
i have mine set at 4300mb,
settings>encoding>custom> enter value 4300 mb
load in the disk before hand,leave it for an hour or so,come back and its burnt onto disk
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11. March 2006 @ 10:46 |
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the easiest thing to use is the latest release from convertXtodvd
I guess it comes down to preferences:~),which no one can debate! I don't think Winavi could be easier either! It also depends on what's what's available, if one already owns a couple of software, no point on going out and spend money on something else without having a tremenduous gain from it:~)!
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11. March 2006 @ 14:03 |
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yeah,everyone has there own preferences and opinions and discusing these is something that can never be agreed on
on a personal note,i have used winavi just a couple of times and yes its simple to use,and fast,but the quality sucks compared to other apps i have tested,nerovisionexpress is another pet hate of mine,that damn thing just takes far too long compared to the quality it kicks out
my favourite "was" the film machine/cce engine,i still use it,but having tested the latest release of convertXtodvd the results are excellent and so is the speed,and the quality is on par with CCE/film machine
good luck SiSaid !!!
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11. March 2006 @ 18:26 |
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@hursty
Thanx! maybe I'll give that a try, as I see it has a trial period. Who knos, I might get to love it.
You are right about Winavi. I can't complain about the quality, but I had several times when it crashed on me.
Cheers!
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brobear
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11. March 2006 @ 20:36 |
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I own WinAVI, NV4, and ConvertXtoDVD. I hadn't noticed the encoding option in ConvertXtoDVD. It does convert and encode to DVD in a given output size. It appears to be the only app among the ones mentioned that does encode. I've not seen anything in the other VSO apps that compares to the better transcoders and encoders; so I I'll probably stick with the encoder I use. Next time I get a large conversion, I think I'll give it a shot though, I try to keep an open mind.
As for trying to change bitrate to achieve a certain sized output, that is bad news where quality is concerned. Also not reliable as overall bitrate varies from movie to movie. Bitrate varies by scene, some more and some less. So, the encoding software needs to analyze and allot bitrate the best it can according to the scenes, not all the same. That increases the quality of the video output. That particular NV4 screen merely shows a choice for bitrate and resolution, not an output size. It's usually better to edit than to lower the quality of a video by changing bitrate and resolution manually. The best thing is to use a good encoder if the files are larger than the target media. NV4 has the option of using different media including the DL, but I don't see the option to encode. If I missed it, someone feel free to show me. I'm not the best in the world on conversion software. As for WinAVI, I didn't see an encode option there either. Show me the option for encoding if it's there. I missed it.
One thing I've noticed, a lot of AVI files are poor quality from the start. No amount of converting and filtering is going to help them. Bad input is going to be bad output. I've only used the WinAVI a few times, so I'm not really familiar with it's quality. A lot of people say it isn't very good, only with more choice words. As for the DivXtoDVD, now known as ConvertXtoDVD, and NV4, I don't see a lot of difference in the quality. I haven't really had a problem with time, so I haven't been clock watching with them.
A lot depends on personal preference. I like getting the best quality I can. So, I'll probably stick with ConvertXtoDVD and NV4 for my conversions and encode with a separate and hopefully better encoder than the one in ConvertXtoDVD. I guess I have to do some more testing and evaluation to make up my mind between VSO and Ahead on the conversion software.
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11. March 2006 @ 21:30 |
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As for WinAVI, I didn't see an encode option there either. Show me the option for encoding if it's there. I missed it.
With Winavi, you have the option to select a custom target size, or quality, from lowest to highest. The bit rate will be adjusted automatically to meet the target size or quality. If you choose the "constant video quality", the output might be larger than a SL DVD(probably what happened with SiSaid), and would need to be shrunk, so is better to use Custom Target(Video) Size. You can not manually adjust the bit rate(from my experience, unlike NV4), unless you convert to a different format than DVD.
I use Winavi to convert most of the Avis that I need to add subtitles to them. I use it in conjunction with VobSub, as this is the easyest method I came across( honestly, I did not try much else. Is it possible to do it with NV 4?), and for kids movies. For all other I use NV4, even though it is sloer, but like you said, I want better quality. The quality I get is more than acceptable, the only problems I encounter is that it crashed sometimes.
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That particular NV4 screen merely shows a choice for bitrate and resolution, not an output size. It's usually better to edit than to lower the quality of a video by changing bitrate and resolution manually...NV4 has the option of using different media including the DL, but I don't see the option to encode.
When you choose to use the SL DVD, and with the quality settings set to automatic, NV4 will adjust the bit rate to make it fit on the target(SL DVD), which I think everybody wants.I had no problem fitting tow movies on the same DVD, and the quality was great. But like you said, I also like to edit as much as possible. I use the "Edit Movie " to cut stuff from the ends of each AVI. Sometimes I save a couple 100MB.
Many people say they like ConvertXtoDVD, and is faster than NV4. i am thinking to giving it a try.But for me time is not that vital, I normaly leave NV4 running while I sleep or i am away, just come back and burn the resulting DVD files. I need to do some research and see if Nero can hard burn subtitles. Most of the Avis I convert are inforeign languages(asian), and as I said, Winavi I found it to be the easiest for that purpose.
I don't think we disagree on anything here, like you said it depends on personal preferences. What I was trying to convey is that should be no reason to first convert the AVI to dvd and then Shrink it(IMO), when it can be converted to automatically fit onto a SL DVD.
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11. March 2006 @ 21:49 |
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Rather simple really. Higher video quality. For best encoding, Rebuilder with CCE is hard to beat. Nero, even with Recode, can't compete. Neither can VSO or WinAVI. Recode can beat the encoding done by anything I've seen from VSO. In fact it's one of the better transcoders, even if it is part of a burning suite. I hear the author of DVD Shrink is working in Ahead's R&D. DVDCopy4 is another transcoder I have on hand. I'm not lacking in software choices. I often use multiple steps when I feel the output of a project can be improved. Converting with one app and encoding with another is no problem at all with only a few keystrokes involved. Another thing of note, if the conversion software isn't encoding, then it has to finish just converting faster.
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11. March 2006 @ 21:57 |
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So, you are saying that you get better quality if you convert an AVI to DVD using the highest quality setings, and then shrink the files to fit onto a SL DVD usiong a quality encoder, versus custom adjust the size in converter to fit the file onto a SL DVD?
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11. March 2006 @ 22:17 |
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Yes. The specialized encoders do a better job and all the conversion tool has to do is turn out the best conversion it can, irregardless of size. There's also the option to burn to DL, depending on the project.
Next time you have a good quality AVI to do, try it. Do the conversion with the highest quality settings and then use RB/HC if you don't have CCE. HC is about as good as CCE, but slower. Since there is a freeware RB and HC is free, it's a no cost trial. You can get the free installer for RB at http://www.dvd-rb.com . Everything you need is in the installer, with the exception of a retail encoder.
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11. March 2006 @ 22:30 |
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Well, that actually now makes sense. Every time I put 2 movies onto one DVD, NV4 reduces the quality automatically, and I get sometimes even 1 GB of free disc space. I guess the encoder would use that space for better picture quality.
About Rebuider with CCE. I honestly can not tell the difference between backups and original discs when using Recode 2.(true, I mostly do "movie only" and don't need much compression). But unless testing the result in a video lab or something, how much better could it be? Or you can only really see the better quality of Rebuilder/CCE when dealing with high compressions, rather large movies?
Maybe I will give that a try also if it has a free version.
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11. March 2006 @ 22:42 |
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Some blockbuster movies have enough content that compression is an issue with even Recode. If there are no extras to cut, there's no help from editing. That's where RB/CCE really shines. There's also the matter of background that a lot of people don't pay attention to due to their monitor size. When you're watching a movie on a 60 inch screen TV or one of the big screen projectorion systems, things are more noticable. You'll notice that the background images are sharper and more clear with RB over transcoders. I'm not putting down Recode, it is a good app and as long as the compression isn't overly high, it does a good job. As I said, I'd use it before one of the encoders included with the converter apps. Most people who work with video files will tell you that a transcoder isn't going to do the job of a good encoder. CCE, HC, and Pro Coder have the edge. Quality transcoders can do a decent job at lower compression and they are faster, so I won't knock them. In fact I'll use a transcoder on occasion. It depends on what the job calls for. For highest quality, I go with RB/CCE when encoding is needed.
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11. March 2006 @ 22:57 |
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Thanx bro-bear:~)!
I will experiment with RB. Maybe I will get to love it when I get a bigger size, huge plasma TV, and the quality will be noticeable!
I suppose though,we should start with easy steps with the n00bies! Most come and say instant gratification is not soon enough( I am actually one of those!), and some just want a "1click" everything, so processing time and quality kinda have to meet somewhere in the middle, I guess!
But I think this definetely will change my converting technique!
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11. March 2006 @ 23:14 |
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Well... even the newbies can now use the RB since the installer was developed. Before it was for more advanced users who could set it up. A person had to know both encoding and PC program structure. Now it runs great with default settings and the user only needs to pay attention when doing the setup. AD has a forum section devoted just to Rebuilder which houses some good help threads. Doom9 has a RB forum, and the dvd-rb site has one as well. I use the Pro version of the software which has a few more bells and whistles. LOL Good luck with your future projects. Use the Batch Processing and you can do at least a couple of jobs at night while you're sleeping.
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12. March 2006 @ 01:09 |
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just to point out that the latest version of convertXtodvd is on par with using film machine/CCE in terms of quality,IMO..,and very much faster
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12. March 2006 @ 16:31 |
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I'm glad you put that In My Opinion in there. Sophocles pointed out an article to me recently about top encoders being compared by professionals. Pro Coder and CCE were at the top of the list. ConvertXtoDVD wasn't even listed. If you don't believe what I'm saying, I'm sure I can track down the source.
I can tell you're terribly pleased with your software. I'm happy for you. But let's be real for a minute, a combo tool from VSO isn't going to compare with the likes of CCE, Pro Coder, or the HC encoder which are true encoding programs.
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12. March 2006 @ 17:50 |
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just to point out that the latest version of convertXtodvd is on par with CCE in terms of quality,IMO..,and very much faster
That's right all of those fools out there spending $1995 for an encoder should be ashamed when the same thing could be accompolished for just $35.:)
hursty
Sorry hursty but even you have to feel a little foolish making that statment. I've been a long time fan of VSO software products and I have had private discussions with their developers (claire for one)about their products including converxtodvd during its development and I know that Claire wouldn't make that claim. ConverX is certainly easier to use than CCE but it's not even in the same category when comparing encoding quality. Cinema Craft Encoder is the reigning champ.
I have no clue as to why anyone would even want to consider converting a highly compressed DiVx/Xvid movie to DVD, the resulting picture quallity would make VHS look like high definition by comparison. I do admittedly convert some old cartoons that are in AVI to DVD but that's because they're unavailble anywhere else.
When a DVD is compressed to a 700 meg DivX it isn't like compressing a file with WinZIP and then all that's needed is unzipping it, because decompressing it won't return it to it's original quality. You can't get back what's been permanently removed and converting it back to DVD compliancy is going result in even more loss. But if you're determined to create and own one the most visually disatisfying DVD collections around then try them all and see which one you like. You might also want to add DVD Santa (stupid name but it works quite well and it is the easiest of them all to use) to that list. It supports subtitles and it adds chapters as well and it comes with a full 30 day unrestricted trial.
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12. March 2006 @ 18:05 |
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When a DVD is compressed to a 700 meg DivX it isn't like compressing a file with WinZIP and then all that's needed is unzipping it, because decompressing it won't return it to it's original quality. You can't get back what's been permanently removed and converting it back to DVD compliancy is going result in even more loss.
It is true, you cannot get oranges back from orange juice! But some resulting conversion look actually pretty good, way better than a quality VHS, given that the AVI source was great quality.
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