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Video_ts too big for DVD-R...pls help!
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But some resulting conversion look actually pretty good, way better than a quality VHS, given that the AVI source was great quality.
We're not talking about getting oranges from orange juice here, were talking about getting oranges from Tang.:)
Not a 700 meg converted avi won't, this is one of the baloney statements that has been made over the net over time. At 700 megs to DVD the video quality will look okay fuzzy but Okay in slow moving scenes but in action scenes the movie will be ruined by macroblocking and other artifacts. VHS will match a 700 meg DiVx movie in still scenes and beat it easily in motion scenes. I'm not advocating VHS but what I'm telling you is true. That's why back in the 1990's I used to divide my DiVx/Xvid copies across two CD's for (1.5 gig result) now there you would get a movie that will beat VHS.
Now to really infuriate you! A VHS movie to DVD will be substantially clearer than a 700 meg avi to DVD will also because there will be no loss in the excange. How do I know? Because I've been doing this since DeCSS hit the market and I have a few hard disks loaded with my converted DVD's to AVI. I just love experiementing.
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12. March 2006 @ 19:00 |
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We're not talking about getting oranges from orange juice here, were talking about getting oranges from Tang.:)
I suppose is a more accurate statement! Most of the movies I have converted are Disney movies and movies that I have a hard time finding on DVD. They look okay on my not-so very-big screen TV! I am sure it would look not so good on a big screen. I don't say the quality is the best, and I wouldn't build my DVD collection on converted avis, but I think is more than acceptable to watch it and decide if you really like the movie and is worth having in your collection.
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Now to really infuriate you! A VHS movie to DVD will be substantially clearer than a 700 meg AVI to DVD will also because there will be no loss in the excange. How do I know? Because I've been doing this since DeCSS hit the market and I have a few hard disks loaded with my converted DVD's to AVI. I just love experiementing
By all means, I don't mind if someone tries to enlighten me! And I have no experience on getting VHS to DVD, so I believe you. Hell, back in the '90 I didn't even know what a CD burner was. i did not own a computer untill 2 years ago, when someone just gave it away(didn't know he could make it much faster if he had more than 64RAM, or just didn't care!).
So I can't say I know much about video converting/transcoding, whatever. I just say that most of the time my eye is pleased, especially with the resources available! Even though I would like to have my daily oranges, or 100% natural orange juice, sometimes I have to settle for for a little dust package that makes a couple gallons of "flavoured" water!
Cheers!
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12. March 2006 @ 19:48 |
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As long as we don't call the Tang orange juice. ;) You're not the one who was saying ConvertXtoDVD was superior to CCE. One of the reasons I don't have more AVI conversions is due to the quality. I try to make them the best I can using an encoder and filters such as Undot and Deen (and GREY for B&W), but nothing is going to make an AVI conversion look as good as an original movie on DVD. Most of us tend to agree on that. Like Sophocles, the only thing I keep in AVI conversions for my movie collection is what I can't find elsewhere. I did'nt even go with trying to back up my VHS tapes on DVD. I replaced those with DVD versions. Luckily, everything I had on VHS had been put on DVD by the movie industry. A big plus is that I wasn't into collecting VHS movies.
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12. March 2006 @ 21:53 |
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have no clue as to why anyone would even want to consider converting a highly compressed DiVx/Xvid movie to DVD
well,thats probably because most people dont have a dvix player at home and need to convert the avi file to dvd format,....thats what the thread starter asked at the beginning..
maybe my statement was a little off track,but i sort of still stand by it.
yes,converting a avi file to vobs will obviously result in lower quality,but the latest release from vso produces excellent results in such a short space of time,(set on high quality)
i have used CCE/film machine on numurous occasions and cant really tell the difference between that and the new vso release,except that filmmachine/CCE takes about 4 times as long,>>>> and for a avi file thats not great quality to start off with,i cant justify it.
lets not beat about the bush here,we are talking mainly about files from the net
however,i must say i have never really been a fan of vso in terms of quality in the past,but for a beginner who wants ease of use along with speed and quality,it gets top marks so far.
btw, have either of you tested it yet on many avi's ???
regards
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12. March 2006 @ 22:10 |
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hi all
heres my 2 pence worth, i use TFM/CCE and i use convertxtodvd, on average i convert say 8 to 10 avi a week so done hundreds now! and the quailty of this new app convertxtodvd is truely awesome, the finished output from both TFM/CCE and convertxtodvd is like the avi you first loaded i cant tell the difference i have also tested many other apps as i do alot of avi to dvd and found that for the most part TFM/CCE was for me till this new encode engine came out as convertxtodvd the quailty is the same for both apps...
truely awesome, convertxtodvd is slightly faster about an hour on highest quailty settings, tfm/cce about 1hour to an hour and a half.
didnt really rate procoder much and the likes of dvd santa, winavi and others like nero etc...
me i want the best so i test lots of apps and still do and still iam coming back to those main 2 now.
but as mentioned the quality of the initial avi is paramount, so i make sure they are the best before hand
thx all
Nothing here to see, move along folks.
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12. March 2006 @ 22:17 |
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...and for a avi file thats not great quality to start off with... ...a beginner who wants ease of use along with speed and quality,it gets top marks so far.
I just love the contradiction there, speed and quality with files "thats not great quality". With crap in, it's crap out. You can say I like the software and justify your choice as a personal preference. However, the software isn't going to compete with the likes of CCE. How FilmMachine uses CCE, I'm not sure, I haven't used that one. I've used CCE on numerous occasions with RB though and the results are excellent. I realize it can't make "a silk purse out of a sow's ear" with something like AVI files though. RB/CCE is better than VSO's encoding software, especially since VSO's main objective isn't in development of encoding software.
I guess when one is using poorer quality files such as AVI, it doesn't take a great app to do the task of supplying the mediocre output associated with the AVI format. Even if ConvertXtoDVD does the best job with AVI conversions, the quality will not be that of a factory DVD. We've sort of wandered from apples to oranges. RB/CCE is for encoding DVDs. It can be used for encoding DVD files for converted AVI files when larger than the target media. It does a superior job of setting the bitrate as compared to a tool like ConvertXtoDVD. For working with good files, it can't be beat. The problem is the difference when processing poor quality files, even the mediocre tool can look as good as the better one.
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12. March 2006 @ 22:22 |
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hi
rb/rebuilder is that for dvd to DVDR?
i use avi2dvd/CCE for dvd to DVDR...
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12. March 2006 @ 22:23 |
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@brobear,why is it a contradiction???
i said vso is on par with CCE as far as the output is concerned,(the initial quality has nothing to do it)
dont mis-interpret what i said.
for your information the film machine has the option of using CCE as its engine,i have used it...thats how i know
dont detract from the fact that this thread is about converting AVI files,and not copying DVD'S
regards hursty
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12. March 2006 @ 22:34 |
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Don't you see a contradiction in quality with low quality source matereial. I added to the post. It's obvious why initial input is important. Even a poor encoder can do as good as a superior one if they have little to work with. As I pointed out, or should have, low quality in, low quality out.
Rotary, RB/CCE is mainly for encoding DVD movies; DVD compliant files to DVD R or DVD R DL.
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12. March 2006 @ 22:36 |
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hi
also i found that convertxtodvd can handle not so good made up AVI too which is very handy, i dont mean bad quailty i mean AVI thats makeup in file isnt true or its made slightly wrong it will encode it, where CCE if not a good true file make up can throw a wobbler, this comes in very handy, its also been said not sure if it works though that it will correct audio sync issues as it encodes? not sure on that as i check all my AVI first before encode and correct them myself, what ever the ms is needed first! i use AVI-mux gui aswell as divfix depending on whats needed before encode... grab these 2 they are brilliant free apps...
convertxtodvd comes into its own for episodes as the new menu feature works great for this, 5 episodes 5 menu links etc on your dvd, very kool...
Nothing here to see, move along folks.
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12. March 2006 @ 22:44 |
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NV4 does menus as well and templates can be changed. I'm not saying ConvertXtoDVD isn't good for what it does. I merely took opposition to the ridiculous statement that ConvertXtoDVD is as good an encoder as CCE. In cases with AVI files the user might see a similarity in output. However, I don't see ConvertXtoDVD ever delivering the quality attainable with RB/CCE when doing a backup of a factory DVD. With the better source, it's obvious what CCE is capable of.
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12. March 2006 @ 22:49 |
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@ brobear,the thread was about avi files,
if it was about dvd 2 dvd then i wouldnt have made such a statement,about convertxtodvd,so i will stand by my intial statement :)
so back to the initial poster,(who probably has got scared by now)
if you want the best quality,use convertXtodvd,if not use something else
when it comes to choosing a app each have there own preferences,and depending on what you want,the choices can be confusing
everyone wants the best quality with the speed factor,and with everyone having different opinions it can be even harder to choose
anyways good luck!!!,and may the force be with you
and bon voyage (or however you spell it)
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Well, now that we've ascertained that VSO's software will walk the dog, wash the car, squeeze orange juice, cook breakfast, while at the same time doing the best encodes in the world we can lay the subject to rest. VSO has to be the best, because hursty said so and Rotary has had good experiences with the software. LOL No offense Rotary, you were just commenting on your positive experiences with the app. I do wonder why you're using so many AVI files though. Most good movies have been digitally mastered or remastered for DVD, including the older classics and some not so classic. I prefer having my movie library on DVD with the backups done by an encoder that gives faithful reproduction.
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You're right the thread was about AVI files. I just added that RB/CCE could be used to encode DVD files that had been converted from AVI. It was you who jumped in with the ridiculous statement that ConvertXtoDVD is a superior encoder to CCE. Working with inferior source files, it may make RB/CCE output look similar to output from inferior apps, as I mentioned. But as I also mentioned, not on its best day can ConvertXtoDVD rival RB/CCE for encoding a good DVD source. So hopefully the force is with you. You'll need it to ward off the laughs if you keep making such ridiculous statements.
From Industryclick's listing of encoders the professionals appear to prefer CCE for encoding. http://images.industryclick.com/files/127/404VSsfeature.pdf
I'll leave the converting of AVI and the magical encoding with ConvertXtoDVD with Jedi force to you. I'll try to converse with those still in this reality.
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13. March 2006 @ 13:10 |
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well,thats probably because most people dont have a dvix player at home and need to convert the avi file to dvd format,....thats what the thread starter asked at the beginning.
None of us had DiVx players in those days, they didn't even exist. We built our own PC's that served as a DVD player and media player so that a DiVx recorded to a CDR would be playable.
One last thing, let's not make this debate persoanl.
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Like most threads, this one progressed with associated topics being discussed. Cyprusrom and I were discussing encoders that could be used with files after they had been converted.
Good idea not getting personal; though it does get a bit personal when someone jumps in with statements implying I haven't a clue about what I'm talking about. Professionals prefer CCE for working with video files and ConvertXtoDVD is rarely mentioned. Granted, it can convert, but saying it's superior to CCE is still something else.
As for DivX players, whether recorded to DVD or CD, it can be viewed on some rather inexpensive equipment. My Philips player that I bought for less than $75 plays most anything that is round. It plays various DVD formats, CD including VCD and SVCD, and among other formats, DivX. Philips isn't the only inexpensive player with the multi format capabilities, just check the stores selling equipment.
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13. March 2006 @ 14:35 |
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I truly hope hursty becoming inactive does not have anything to do with this thread...Like Brobear said, we were just discussing different options for encoding, for me it was just an opportunity to learn something beyond basics.
brobear,
When viewing a DivX movie in that Philips that you are talking about, how would you say is the quality( I know, not even close to an original DVD:)!), but obviously better than after you would convert them to DVD. Would you say is pretty good?( a quality AVI looks very decent on a 20 inch monitor on my computer, just wondering about a tv viewing)
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I agree, I saw nothing that should give cause for hursty to become inactive. I've always believed that a little spirited debate is the stuff that makes online bulletin boards true sources of knowledge and a little more fun I might add.
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I can't really make a comparison. I've mainly been getting AVI copies of old movies and serials that haven't made it to today's prime time. If you have a viewer to preview the AVI files, then what you see on your AVI should be what you see on the player. There you're just recording the digital signal, not altering anything.
As for hursty, I hate to see any of the senior members leave the forum. No one was trying to make him leave. I sometimes say things that are a bit insensitive, but usually they're to the mark. I suspect there is more to his leaving than what was said here. If I was somehow the cause, I'd say he was being a bit overly sensitive. You should read some of the things that have been said to and about me. LOL
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@Sophocles
I agree. Is not just once that I was told that I was wrong, or that my method was not the best, or whatever. And if indeed I am proved to be wrong, that doesn't make weaker, but in contrary, it expands my knowledge, makes me better I would say!
And if everyone would agree on everything, that would be the end of everything,like growing and learning, and the rise of boredom and dullness!
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Hmmm... Shades of Sophocles. ;)
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13. March 2006 @ 16:33 |
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BTW, whatever you guys do, don't allow me to state that I was doing this back in the 1990's (although it seems farther in the past) I've already been proved wrong once on that account. I've got to stop trying to rely on memory for everything. LOL
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13. March 2006 @ 17:07 |
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Brobear mentioned that using Neuro will make all the files fit on the DVD, Everytime I try to drag the files into Neuro they are always to big, what else do I haft to do to make them fit?
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13. March 2006 @ 17:47 |
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Are you talking about Nero Vision and AVi/mpeg files? What do you mean they are too big, do you get an error or something?
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You can't just burn a file in Nero, first you must compress it using Nero Recode.
Open Nero recode, choose recode and entire DVD (that should work since you're taking nothing out), choose import DVD and then navigate to where it's stored on your hard disk and then click next. Choose your settings or just hit burn.
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Sohocles has it right. Follow his directions. Recode is one of the better transcoders for shrinking your files to fit the target media.
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