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Bad DVD copies, need help
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rasmusl
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15. March 2006 @ 08:18 |
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Hi all.
I've beenbacking up some DVD's lately and most of them, infact all of the ones that i have "testes" = seen have had these problems. The problems are that there are these "holes" in the movie, like when you get 55 min. into the movie it suddenly skips 7 min. ahead. And sometimes there are like 3-4 of these holes in just one backed-up DVD.
I backup my DVDs with DVD-Shrink 3.2 and burn them to a Verbatim DVD+R 8x with CloneDVD2.
These "holes" really suck and they destroy a good movie, so i wanted to know if you guys can tell from this text if im doing anything wrong, or what else is the problem?
Hope you can help.
Thanks in advance!
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andmerr
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15. March 2006 @ 08:29 |
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does it happen if you burn at 4X
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rasmusl
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15. March 2006 @ 08:59 |
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Hmm, i dont know, in CloneDVD2 the speed is set to Maximum, which is 12x on my writer but 8x on the discs, should i try using 4x?
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jmc23200
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15. March 2006 @ 09:08 |
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yes, usually you don't burn a movie at maximum because the faster something is burned, the less accurate the data is put on. This doesnt mean you can't do it successfully, but most people dont have the right things to do it. Try 4x or 2x if 4x still gives you the same problem.
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jayp3724
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15. March 2006 @ 09:38 |
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I agree, I have a new Dell dual core process with 1 gig ram, not that its the problem however, my copies have been freezing up and didn't know why until I read this forum.. I reset my CloneDVD to 4x and we'll see. I also couldnt play on my external burner gave me a read error.. I will try this new setting.. my external is running at I believe 4x anyways.. new internal on dell is 16x..
jay
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rasmusl
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15. March 2006 @ 09:42 |
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Ok ill try that.
But is DVD Shrink ok for ripping the DVD or should i use DVD Decrypter for that and then compress it with DVD Shrink afterwards?
Or are you pretty sure that the error is on the burning side and not the backup side?
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jayp3724
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15. March 2006 @ 09:42 |
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ooppps.
getting the following read error message..
D:/video_ts/vts_01_1.v01:read error
says to clean disk...
is this a problem with the original disk- scratches or whatever is causing this to happen???
jay
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spacedust
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15. March 2006 @ 14:01 |
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I would suggest going here cdrinfo.com and looking up your burner and check out some tests burning on diffrent media at diffrent speeds. SLOWING down the burn speed to 4X is not always better quality. For example I have a sony DRU 710A (Running latest firmware) burning on verbatum 8X (MCC003) media. My best quality burns are at 8X as a matter fact 4X quality scans are worse than 6X and 8X. One other thing when your ripping and expecially when your burning DO NOT MULTITASK. I've noticed when you do you can see the device buffer on the burner start to drop. Does the skipping also happen on your computer drive will watching movie? Your problem might be the dvd player your watching the movie on. Some settop players like +R media vs -R media or vise versa. If you can booktype your +R media to DVD-ROM that should solve it.
Good Luck
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rasmusl
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15. March 2006 @ 20:16 |
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Hi
How do i see if i have it on multitask in CloneDVD2? And what do you mean with "If you can booktype your +R media to DVD-ROM that should solve it. "
(English is not my first language, sorry)
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brobear
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15. March 2006 @ 21:14 |
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Booktyping is the process of adding a file to a DVD +R or +R DL so that players see it as a DVD ROM. The ROM being the universal standard for players, a disk booktyped to DVD ROM should be playable on all players. Not all burners are capable of booktyping. It is a function of the burner and not the PC software. Most new players support multiple formats, so this isn't really needed unless one has a player that doesn't support recordable media. If a person has a burner that will booktype, it's suggested they use it. It sure can't hurt.
Multitasking is doing more than one thing at a time with your PC. What was being said was not to do other things while recording.
I don't really understand why the process here is being used. Both DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink are obsolete as far as the decryption software goes. DVD Shrink is more outdated than DVDD where this is concerned. With old movies, from before the software lost support, there should be no problem using DVD Decrypter or Shrink for decryption. But with newer movies, think of going to AnyDVD. There are a few decryption apps, such as DVDFab Decrypter that are free and still being updated. I suggest the retail app AnyDVD because it's kept updated on a more regualar basis. That's important due to the movie industry constantly changing the copyright protections on the newer releases. Slysoft sells both CloneDVD 2 and AnyDVD, so I'm surprised that wasn't mentioned. There's a full function trial available. http://www.slysoft.com
As for burn speeds, look to the media and burner. I can easily burn at 8X though my software says I can burn my 8X media at 10X without problems. Nero analyzes the setup for max usable burn speed of a media. I usually hedge my bets and burn at 6X to be on the safe side. Nowadays, burning at less than 4X is a waste of time unless using really dodgy media and equipment. If that's the case, it's time to update and upgrade. I burn the more difficult DL at 4X.
With the read error, that can be a number of things. Usually it is caused by scratched and/or smudged DVDs. Occasionally the source DVD has a manufactured (press) flaw. On retrying the disc, does it give the same unreadable file? If so, I'd first look to the disc condition and then if there's a question, do a read scan. If you don't have the software, the freeware DVDInfoPro is available. If possible, try another copy of the DVD that you're trying to backup, preferrably one in good condition.
Another thing to remember with optical drives (burners) is to keep the firmware updated. Usually the manufacturer's website keeps updates on that as necessary.
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rasmusl
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16. March 2006 @ 07:29 |
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16. March 2006 @ 09:31 |
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Your drive is capable of bitsetting/booktyping. Here is a link to a free lite-on booktype utility http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=83441 There is also a link to a usage guide on that page. The lite-on booktype utility will automatically booktype all DVD+R media to dvd-rom. Note: this can only be done with DVD+R media, not DVD-R.
Anydvd is a driver ripper that runs in the background to remove css encryptions. You will still need to use some other software to compress your files to fit on a DVD5. AnyDVD works best with CloneDVD 2 but works well with other transcoding apps also.
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rasmusl
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16. March 2006 @ 10:00 |
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So have i understood it correctly, that now when i have run that booktype program and changed the booktype to DVD-ROM, all DVDs that i burn from now on DVD+R medias, will act as DVD-ROMs? Or do i have to run that program every time i insert an empty disc?
So i want to have AnyDVD running in the background and then use the upper option in CloneDVD2 (Copy DVD Titles in english i think, my program isnt in english) to rip the DVD to a DVD5 size. And then burn it, again with CloneDVD2, on 4x speed or what?
Can you look at my drive and see if 4x would be the best or if i can push it to 6x or 8x? Or should i just stick with 4x to not get problems or what?
Hope you understand :)
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16. March 2006 @ 10:15 |
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Once you have the lite-on booktype utility set up to booktype dvd-rom it will do so everytime you burn a DVD+R automatically. You can verify that your burns are booktyped dvd-rom with dvd identifier http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
Anydvd will run entirely in the background removing css encryptions and CloneDVD 2 will rip and compress. You can most likely burn those verbatim discs at 8x.
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rasmusl
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16. March 2006 @ 20:24 |
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Ok Mort81, i see you use Verbatum DLP DVD+R booktyped as DVD-ROM.
I use some Verbatim called DataLifePlus, i guess that's what you are too, those DLP, or what?
Also on mine it says made in Taiwan, and in some guide or subject, in here i think, they tell me to stay away from made in Taiwan, and get some made in Japan or something.
Is that true or are these DataLifePlus from Taiwan good enough?
Thanks again
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brobear
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16. March 2006 @ 20:55 |
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Use DVD Identifier and supply us with the manufacturer information. DVD Identifier is a free utility you can download. Use the link supplied by Mort81. The made in Japan DVDs are usually good quality. The DVDs made in Taiwan range from good to bad, depending on what company made them. Ricoh and Sony easily come to mind as good and MIT. Ricoh makes a lot of the +R media for major brands and the Taiwanese Sony +R is one of the best discs I've used and is rated by many forums as a top grade media. Avoid unknown or unbranded media from Taiwan.
As for burn speeds, Some burners won't burn at 6X. Some just allow 8X, 4X, and 2X for 8X media. It depends on the burner. If I didn't mention it, I wouldn't be burning over 8X. Best to try it, if you get errors, go with a slower speed to see if that corrects it. Staying with quality media will help insure the quality of your backups.
Mort
Good answers. You're earning your stripes. ;)
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16. March 2006 @ 21:46 |
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rasmusl,
A majority of verbatim media is made in taiwan. There is also some made in singapore, verbatim DL media for example and there are some made in japan but they will code out as taiyo yuden's and are not available in the states.
As a rule of thumb look for media made in japan and avoid those made in taiwan but verbatim and ritek are 2 exceptions. The verbatim datalifeplus hub printables that I use and prefer over all other media are made in taiwan. The verbatim DL discs I use are made in singapore.
@brobear,
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Good answers. You're earning your stripes. ;)
Hmm, I must be a zebra. Now then, am I white with black stripes or black with white stripes. ;~)
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16. March 2006 @ 22:30 |
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LOL Pink with red stripes or red with pink stripes. Sorta like those giant bunnies or elephants after that one too many (in honor of your avatar of course). ;) I keep getting bad bear jokes, so I thought I'd give you some good natured drinker ribbing.
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rasmusl
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17. March 2006 @ 03:50 |
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----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:MCC-003-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Mitsubishi Chemical Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [MCC]
Media Type ID : [003]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.3.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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This are the medias that im using... can you tell a suggested speed form that, or is still 8x and then if errors on it, down to 4x?
Or do the Manufacturer change this?
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rasmusl
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17. March 2006 @ 05:37 |
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This is the results from a DVD backup that i had on my computer (ripped with DVD-Shrink) that i just burned on 4x in CloneDVD.
Date : 17-03-2006 16:35:11
Model : 4-0-0-0 F:LITE-ON DVDRW SOHW-1213S TS0J
Disc : DVD+R , MCC003 [Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation]
Speed : Max
ECC blocks sum (PI/PIF) : 8/1
Scanned range : 0 - 2286203
Sampling count : 92913
Errors : 19
PI Max : 6
PI Average : 0,35
PI Total : 5849
PIF Max : 2
PIF Average : 0,03
PIF Total : 461
Is that good or? I havent seen the movie copy yet, so i dunno if those errors are just minor, but can you tell from those numbers if they are?
EDIT: Just saw the first 5 min of it and after 2 min in the actual movie there was 2 "bigger" scratches, both of them on 2 secs or so. I guess this is another bad copy?
Thanks
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The media you are using MCC003 is very good and considered one of the BEST but on a sidenote if the media is damaged/scratched you can experience errors and playback issues.
brobear you could say I'm psychodelic but just plain psycho would better describe me.
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rasmusl
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17. March 2006 @ 13:33 |
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Ok so since the media is good, i guess the reason that that movie (the one i just burned ealier today) was bad, is either because:
I wrote at 4x speed and need to write at 2x?
The Backup (the VOB files) is bad?
Or what? Isnt CloneDVD fine so i can say thats not the problem? I would say the backup is the problem then. So ill try backing up a new movie with the AnyDVD + CloneDVD combination and see if it works out.
Oh and by the way, leaving a bittorrent client in tray, downloading, is that multitasking? Or can i leave it on while i do these things?
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18. March 2006 @ 12:18 |
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That is multi-tasking and I wouldn't do it while doing movie backups, especially the transcoding part. The ability also depends on the system, but unless you have a dual core system, I recommend against multi-tasking. Transcoding sucks up about 100% of a CPU's capabilities. A number of things can affect the outcome of a backup, including a flawed factory disk. Best to try with another copy of the same movie, preferably unscratched and shiny (no smudges), and don't multi-task. Then if you have a problem again, let us know and we'll try to help. As Mort pointed out, the media is top grade and shouldn't pose a problem. Let us know how it turns out. BTW, burning at 2X with good media isn't really necessary and if the burner is that "dodgy", I'd suggest it's time for a replacement.
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LOL If you say so. ;) Around here, you appear one of the more sane.
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18. March 2006 @ 12:52 |
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as opposed to who?
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brobear
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18. March 2006 @ 12:59 |
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I don't have a mirror on my desk, but I might recognize one of the guys the next time I see one. ;) Did you think I was referring to you? LOL Then there's some folks over at IRC AD who aren't fond of me. :(
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