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Could this be caused by poor media? (DVD+R)
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aesmith
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15. March 2006 @ 22:14 |
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Hi,
I've been having trouble making copies of a couple of home-authored DVDs. In both cases the originals play OK on my Sony DVD player. The copies made on the PC are made without error, and play on the PC but not on the player. The media is Memorex inkjet printable, the first time I've used this ..
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:CMC MAG-E01-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG]
Media Type ID : [E01]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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Some copies have come out all right, but I got two unuseable from each original (trying different software etc) before I got the working copies I needed.
I'm not convinced it's software problem, since the disks seem OK on the PC.
Tony S
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aesmith
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15. March 2006 @ 22:25 |
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Additional comments. I've seen the comments here about CMC media, but they seem to make every disk I've used.
For example the Philips I have at home (never a problem)
Philips (never had probs with these)
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:CMC MAG-E01-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG]
Media Type ID : [E01]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.3.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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And the "Datawrite" that we use at work without problems:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:CMC MAG-M01-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [CMC Magnetics Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [CMC MAG]
Media Type ID : [M01]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x , 6x-16x]
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Tony S
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16. March 2006 @ 00:27 |
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[DVD+R:CMC MAG-E01-000]
These are definitely the first thing to change. Poor quality media. Not only to get a successful burn,but it's those stand alone players that will kick out the quality defects with playback issues.Cmags have low quality specifications.
You've ran into cmags on Memosux/Philips/and Data write. All brand name media that I wouldn't even consider purchasing. TDK and HP are also loaded with a crap load of cmags.
Buyer beware: You can get better quality media for the same price,and even cheaper.Staple's/best buy/Office Max/Office Depot/kmart/walmart/circuit city/and comp usa run ads every week. Stick with the Verbatim/sony/fuji/and Maxell.
Now with those spindles of sony/fuji/and maxell:Look for made in Japan on the outer shrink wrapper. Lots of taiyo yuden in the sony/fuji,and hitachi in the maxell japanese spindles.This is top quality stuff.
Full hub white inkjet printables: Definitely taiyo yuden and verbatim. I also like Maxell +8x printables,but these are now made in taiwan and japan.I really have to watch the labels on them because those same taiwanese full hubs are most likely the same cmags that you got on your memosux printables.
On the web,get taiyo yuden or verbatim and a majority of your issues will reduce.
Your burner plays it's own backups ok,well it should. Next is the stand alone players.
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play on the PC but not on the player
Please explain: Are those discs giving no disc inserted errors on that stand alone player?
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aesmith
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16. March 2006 @ 06:40 |
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Quote:
Your burner plays it's own backups ok,well it should. Next is the stand alone players.
Quote:play on the PC but not on the player
Please explain: Are those discs giving no disc inserted errors on that stand alone player
Some disks it just spits out after displaying "loading" for 30 sec or so, some it displays a message saying it can't use the disk (can't remember the exact message)
I'm getting the message about CMC, but it's bizzare that the Philips and Datawrite have never ever given a problem. The Philips even has the same exact media code as the dodgy Memorex.
Needless to say I'm going for Verbatim next time.
Tony S
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16. March 2006 @ 10:33 |
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That's the classic sign of a no disc inserted error.Some stand alones may also display: Wrong region/Wrong format/and dirty discs as other messages when they have major trouble with them. It just sounds more like that player doesn't like those cmag full hub printables.
I've seen that on my ex-wife's son's ps2. I had 3- 30 pack spindles of +4x verbatim. All identical,but 2 were mcc-002 and the other was Ricohjpn-r01. His ps2 would not read the ricoh verbs,but the mcc verbs were ok.If it wasn't for checking the mid code,I would have never thought 1 of those spindles was a different manufacturer.
You may want to try inserting one of those printable cmags in that player,turn power off for a minute,and then turn back on.It may recognize it?
Hang around the DVD-R media forum for the weekly sales thread. We can tell you where to find the quality media,where at,and how much. Everything except printables,I pay $15 max for 50 pack spindles.Majority of my media is verbatim and sony yuden000-T02 which are some of the best.
You gotta watch the country that produced them. Look for Made in Japan on fuji/sony/and maxell media when they go on sale.Some of the taiwanese of these brands may be ok,but same price as the japanese spindles when they go on sale.
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JoeRyan
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17. March 2006 @ 04:30 |
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You didn't state your drive and its firmware version. That could also be a factor in determining the quality of the recording in the first place. Many members of this forum immediately blame the quality of the medium when drive/medium compatibility could be the reason. Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim media are the most compatible (TY invented dye-based optical discs and holds the patents; Verbatim/MCC invented DL discs and hold the patents) and, therefore, they work well in all drives.
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17. March 2006 @ 05:07 |
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poor media is still poor media though..
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JoeRyan
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17. March 2006 @ 09:03 |
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Poor media are poor media. Media (like phenomena, criteria, et cetera) are plural. One disc is a medium. So when the instructions say, "Put media in drive," the drive manufacturer would be responsible if more than one went in and wrecked the optical pick-up. This might be worth knowing if two discs stuck together as printable discs sometimes do and the user accidentally puts both in the drive.
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17. March 2006 @ 09:56 |
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I really think you are being a tad pedantic with the media/medium debarcle. People here understand media as a generic term for storage. We rarely talk about media in a singular sense.
Should it then be Windows medium player?!!
I think that the intelligence of the old timers here should not be questioned, belittling a mod, or anyone through pedantics, is a tricky business!
Most here know the difference between singular & plural.
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aesmith
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17. March 2006 @ 10:09 |
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The recorder is a Sony DRU-720A with JY08 firmware. The iffy copies read OK on the recorder, and in the other PC drive which is a Sony DDU-1621 with S4.2 firmware.
I can play all the disks on the PC with Nero Showtime or Windows Medium Player.
The "bad" copies wouldn't play on the home DVD, a Sony GX-210 with unknown firmware.
Tony S
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JoeRyan
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17. March 2006 @ 10:49 |
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It should be a Windows "file" player. A medium is a carrier in the middle between the author and the audience. It carries the message. Discs, TV, radio, paper, LPs, and so forth are media. They hold content. Home networks distribute content in file formats; they do not distribute media.
Common misuse of precise terms leads to miscommunication, confusion, mistakes, and sloppy thinking. It's a pet peeve of mine, probably because my background is a combination of philology and physics.
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17. March 2006 @ 11:10 |
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@pulsar - i agree.
@JoeRyan - my background is being a regular guy, so my pet peeve is ppl who play on words
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