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Capote nightmare
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RachelR
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25. March 2006 @ 17:50 |
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Hi Car.Mike
First of all, thank you so much for your help. I've just updated the NEC firmware. I'm about to re-DVDshrink with the smaller custom size you suggest.
When I inserted the burned DVD in a DVD player purchased about 10 months ago (it plays all my oter Nero burns) or in a PC or a Mac, it simply isn't recognized. I don't think it's even spinning up.
I don't understand this "Are you sure these disks are no fake Ty's? Other have had this problem w/ that media code"
I confirmed that the original Capote disc spins up and starts normally with my player & computer.
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Car.Mike
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25. March 2006 @ 17:59 |
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I was talking about the blank media as it's Mid Code is Ty. There have been fakes of that blank media. Will the burned disks play in another player or computer. As it is late here I'll check the thread tomorrow
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mcmenace
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25. March 2006 @ 18:45 |
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@ those struggling with capote, squid, disney stuff etc......
I cringe when i see these suggestions to upgrade firmware, fake ty disks etc. All you need is clonedvd2, AnyDVD, and possibly dvd region + css. the latter 2 run in the background and strip the protection on-the-fly while clone does the copying. very user friendly and all have trials, you have nothing to lose by trying what i suggested, and when you see how easy it really is with the right software, you'll never waste time with other stuff. Slysoft is very reasonably priced, with lifetime free upgrades on AnyDVD with a 20.00 discount to afterdawn members - www.DVDIdle.com. i cant figure out why you are making it hard on yourselves when its problem-free with that aforementioned software combo, All the stuff I've been reading you all doing is absolutely a waste of time, and you're still not getting it backed-up???!!! This is all I'm gonna say on the matter, it appears i'm being ignored anyway. Those who have been around awhile know what works. Good luck but be real careful upgrading firmware and things of that nature or you'll be buying a new burner.
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mcmenace
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bigwop
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26. March 2006 @ 02:05 |
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I agree...Shrink + AnyDVD running in the background + I just burn with decrypter. 100% success rate..I repeat I've had a 100% success rate.
I was so ugly when I was a kid, my parents used to take me everywhere just so they wouldn't have to kiss me goodbye.
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Car.Mike
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26. March 2006 @ 02:17 |
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mcmenace,
The person that was being helped asked the question in the Shrink forum and not in the CloneDVD2 forum. Since they prefer to use freeware instead of a program that cost $$ we try to help them and point out what is wrong w/ their burn log as the log does not lie. Some people come here w/ a burner that is 2+ years old and when they start using 16X or 8X new blank media that burner does not recog that media because the company has not updated the firmware to include that brand so the burner does not recog. that media. I own CloneDVD2 and I have an old Nec burner that will not burn using any 16X or 8X blank media and that is using the updated version of CloneDVD2. Since I doubt that NEC will update that firmware(they have not in 2 years)that burner is of no use to me. So even if you have CloneDVD2 that does not mean that the burner will burn a DVD it does not recog . The burner will burn if you use 2X blank media and yes CloneDVD2 and Shrink both work using that blank media.
There was a company that produced blank media that was a fake of the TY's and I was just asking was she sure she purchased from a reputable company as they will take the media back if it is a fake. It probably is not fake but the questioned needed to be asked.
I presume that you belong to the CloneDVD forum at another site and if so you know that they also tell them to do the same thing that I did in the thread above which was update your firmware and check the blank media as people are having problem w/ that program too.
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Mez
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26. March 2006 @ 04:48 |
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I feel stupid asking this question but how do you read files with shrink I had problems with this mode since day 1. I am missing some basic tech concepts to get anything to read themultiple file formats. I have only been using the ISO mode. I had been using Shrink disk to ISO mode as a one stop solution but the video companies are more agressive with their encrytions these days. I have used DeFab to decrypt this one but alas I can not do anything with all those files.
Thanks
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Car.Mike
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26. March 2006 @ 05:16 |
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mcmenace
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26. March 2006 @ 06:27 |
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@car.mike
as there are no CloneDVD forums here, I presumed (wrongly I guess) copying issues were discussed/solved here. AnyDVD is the real key anyway, as it works fine with shrink. I have seen those progs recommended here before and was just trying to help someone in need. In case you forgot, You can obtain free trials of progs aforementioned, so one needn't spend any money unless one feels it's worth it. As probs such as these continue, I can't help but wonder if shrink is nearing the end of its lifespan anyway. I am disabled, on a fixed income, with 4 kids, I dont advise throwing money at any problem. Updating firmware can be lethal to a newbie, I was simply advising them to be careful, not to do it. BTW there is a free prgm called smartburn3 put out by lite-on that tells you everything you want to know about a blank disc. You have my apology if I offended you, as that certainly was not my intention. My intention was just to put a simple solution on the table, one that you use yourself. I have got the message , dont want to step on anyone's toes. Will read and learn and keep my suggestions to myself. Happy Burning !!
Sincerely
McMenace
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RachelR
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26. March 2006 @ 07:05 |
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Good morning!
Last night I upgraded firmware on my NEC drive, set DVDshrink size to 4350, burned on to a TDK blank DVD-R with Nero running alone ... and created another coaster.
I used the most recent version of DVDFab Decryper (2.9.7.3). There was someone else on this forum who was successful using DVDFab decrypter 2.9.7.2. I'm wondering if I should try down-revving to 2.9.7.2?
People in this forum have had success with DVDFab + DVDshrinkon Capote, so I'm just trying to repeat their success with the same tools. Still stymied and mystified, though...
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Adnihilo
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26. March 2006 @ 09:19 |
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RachelR writes
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Last night I upgraded firmware on my NEC drive, set DVDshrink size to 4350, burned on to a TDK blank DVD-R with Nero running alone ... and created another coaster.
What DVD hardware do you use to burn? And about how many burns have you done? My experience with burning over 600 DVDs leads me to believe the DVD Burn hardware devices, regardless of brand [external or internal] have a built in life expentancy of 150 to 200 burns. Which is why I get repleacement warranty on them - on my 3rd replacement of an external burner....
Check your burned 'coaster' disk - do you see visible signs of a burn? Do you see a mirror like blank finish with a circle near the center? Do you see dark colored small blothes or any scatches?
RachelR writes
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used the most recent version of DVDFab Decryper (2.9.7.3). There was someone else on this forum who was successful using DVDFab decrypter 2.9.7.2. I'm wondering if I should try down-revving to 2.9.7.2?
People in this forum have had success with DVDFab + DVDshrinkon Capote, so I'm just trying to repeat their success with the same tools. Still stymied and mystified, though.
Myself and perhaps a few others who noted my success burning Capote used the updated 2.9.7.2. It's doutbtfull that's your problem. Check the version log to see what changes the programmer made between the two, but unlikely to be cause of your burn problem.
I'd suggest trying to burn something else besides Capote, I've been using 4.7 16x +R TDKs like you. They seem to often be on sale at CompUSA - 100 for $30. . Personally I think your problem stems from your hardware...
Do some visual checks on your burned 'coasters' and verify a succesfful burn using something else besides Capote...
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26. March 2006 @ 09:27 |
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Beware of the TDK discs. You never know what you get. I'm using TDK +Rs 8X that code out to Taiyo Yudens. I was lucky. Not all TDKs are Tys tho.
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26. March 2006 @ 09:39 |
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I agree with mcmanace.........
A lot of the new movies, if not all of them, need something to break the newer copy protections. Since DVD Shrink is no longer updated, it won't do it by itself. I've never tried the free DVD Fab(or whatever), but I do know that AnyDVD works. It, and CloneDVD, are 21 day free trial downloads. Don't have to spend money, to see if they work for you. If they work for you, WHEN NOTHING ELSE DOES, it may be worth the price to you. If they work, and you don't want to spend the money, then you're welcome to go back to not being able to copy your movies. I haven't found a movie yet, that these two programs hasn't been able to copy. With free lifetime updates, they are worth much more, than I had to pay for them. To me, that is.
Good luck with what you're doing............ :o)
Then again, it could be your burner.....
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Car.Mike
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26. March 2006 @ 11:18 |
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RachelR
Try the Verbatim blank media as TDK is not that good.
Why don't you try AnyDVD and CloneDVD free trial. Go here:
http://www.slysoft.com/en/
Your last log which is fine w/ the changes you made. Take the disk and try it in a friends computer.
If you have had the burner 10 months it should still be under warranty so return it for another. Before returning clean the lens by lightly blowing compressed air into the burner's door and see if dust could have been the problem
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Adnihilo
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26. March 2006 @ 12:26 |
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Garmon writes:
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Beware of the TDK discs. You never know what you get. I'm using TDK +Rs 8X that code out to Taiyo Yudens. I was lucky. Not all TDKs are Tys tho.
Some posts in usenet groups back in November said that TDK made the move to TY for the +R's. They previously used CMC for their +R's. 50- and 100-disc packages should be TDK 003s and TTH02s from Taiwan. Pretty good media and a huge improvement over previous 25-packs of the same media codes from their Luxembourg plant. I fgiot from from CompUSA starting in Jan and then again in March @ 30 bucks on sale each time for 100 pack spindle normally priced at $80 seen here http://www.compusa.com/products/product_info.asp?product_code=332...
Seem to have little or no burn problems with them.... Did 10 last week and all burned fine...
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RachelR
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26. March 2006 @ 14:06 |
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Here's an update:
I burned Capote on an 8X TDK DVD-R yesterday afternoon on a NEC drive using Nero at 4X. My newer Go Video player/recorder could not read the disk, nor could a new Dell PC nor an old Mac. However, this morning I tried the disk on an older Panasonic DVD player and it worked. I tried it again in the Go Video and it didn't work, but then then a half hour later it did work! Go figure. I swear I am not drunk!
I blew some air in to the NEC drive and burned the same DVDshrink output of Capote on the same 8X TDK DVD-R using Nero at 2X and this time everything in the house read the disc. So I can't say at this time whether it was dust or the slower burn speed that made the difference.
I was so flummoxed by this because it seems I was developing hardware problems at the same time I was trying to back up a disc that was known to be very problematic. Strange coincidence, huh?
So, the newest DVDFab Decrypter (2.9.7.3) followed by DVDShrink produced a viable set of VIDEO_TS files for Nero to burn. I had been successful with the TDK and even cheapo media burning at 8X until now, so I never suspected that hardware/media was the problem. Thank you to the wonderful members of this forum for being so generous with your time and expertise. I hope my struggles will prove useful to someone else down the line.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 26. March 2006 @ 14:16
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Mez
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27. March 2006 @ 02:18 |
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Thanks for all your help guys! Using shrink in file mode is not intuitive. I did not realize how full feature the product was. I started using Shrink as soon as it decrypted. I had been using Xcopy before that.
I want to post another iffy brand. Memorex... I bought some 16X that would not burn correctly at 4x. My firm ware will not burn slower than 4x for a 16 x disk so I can't say for sure that it might have worked at 1 x but I doubt it. I never saw branded DVDs that were that bad.
RachelR, it was always the software not your hardware that was the problem. You could play the movie on all the computers, right?
mcmenace I do not believe the software has ANYTHING to do with the quality of the recording. The software is a go or no-go situation. Quality has to do with the hardware and quality of the disks in and out and the burn speed. Scratched surfaces and poor blank media will tend to make a poorer copy. The hardware you use to play the movie on makes a huge difference. Maybe your player is exceptional. The cost of a DVD player is not liked to the quality of the read. I really do not even know what specs would indicate a better reader. Maybe wattage of the lazer. If anyone knows about how to pick a good reader let me know. Computer drives and expensice portable reader drives seen to read better for me.
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RachelR
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27. March 2006 @ 03:49 |
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Mez,
Actually it was my NEC burner that was probably the problem. Could have been dust, could be the unit is just getting a little tired, although I've only burned about 250-discs. Slowing the burn to @x and blowing out some dust seemed to help.
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Mez
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27. March 2006 @ 04:40 |
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RachelR
You have a great point. Readers need to be cleaned after every 500-1000 reads. I usually clean it when a "good" DVD starts skipping and turning off the reader for a few minutes does not help. I can not get the cleaning routine on my cleaner disk to work on any of my computers. However, I do not really see that any of my burners has really needed any cleaning. My burners do have some miles on them. I do not burn like some of these addicts but I have burned a few each week since the original technology became available.
So I really do not know what happened to your drive or how you cleaned it. I seem to have intermittent quality problems where I have a string of disks with bad sectors that can not be cleaned up. Then it goes away. Visually the surface did not look bad but they were always scratched. I had assumed a scratch was just in the wrong place.
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maddog920
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27. March 2006 @ 06:50 |
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I used DVDFABdecrypter then Nero...perfect copy
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mcmenace
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27. March 2006 @ 07:09 |
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@jvc
well-spoken
i have successfully done over 700 movies/music vids with those progs too. Have yet to cross paths with one they won't do with ease. using same $30 Lite-ON burner. Just bought another $30 (after rebate) Lite-On burner and now use them both. You hit the nail on the head.
@car.mike
Strange you are now suggesting what I said in the first place and was told "The person that was being helped asked the question in the Shrink forum and not in the CloneDVD2 forum. Since they prefer to use freeware instead of a program that cost $" now this..."Why don't you try AnyDVD and CloneDVD free trial. Go here:" whatever
@mez
I disagree with your statement about software having nothing to do with quality, being a go or no-go sitch. Some software allows you to easily strip away stuff that takes up a lot of space. This leftover space is then devoted to the movie, allowing less shrinkage, or closer to a 1-1 ratio. Logic tells me that will result in a better picture. I may be wrong in making that assumption. But, theoretically it makes sense.The less shrinkage, the better the picture. It may not even be noticable, but then again, it might in some cases. I think that is why people use 2 disks - to maintain the 1-1 ratio.
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Mez
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27. March 2006 @ 08:02 |
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mcmenace,
We differ by sementics not concepts. When I mention quality I only refer to the readablility of the sectors of disk. Not the ability to customize the data to make a better viewing disk. The quality of read/writing process is complicated enough even with a very limited scope. Ripping out adds and over compressing the image are good examples of improvements which I do not classify as a better quality disk even both can effect the actual quality of the read. By ripping of the tons of garbage that is on some disks reduces the compression ratio. I agree with you that the closer you are to 1:1 the better even though I have not noticed a problem with high compression disks. I believe packing the disk with junk is actually tactic to make the disk harder to copy. To copy a disk completely full of video stuff pushes or even exceeds the limits of compression. By over compressing the image you avoid writing to the edge of the disk which is more likely to be worse than the rest of the disk. Shrink a freebee does have these capibilities.
Not that I am knocking paid for software. My tool box contains some of each.
So I do agree that software can improve the quality of a disk but not in the way I was trying to answer a skipping problem. I believe skipping is effected by how clear are the on/off bits written to the disk. That is caused by: garbled data caused by a bad read of the master disk and by a bad write effected by the quality of the laser beam, the quality of the photo active dye and the quality of the surface of the blank disk.
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Car.Mike
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27. March 2006 @ 08:55 |
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mcmenace,
I'll defer to your vast superior knowledge as you are the expert w/ 9 posts and 3 of them asking for help in doing the Pianist
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27. March 2006 @ 09:09 |
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@those that needed helps or interested,
The below method is one that I primarily used besides DVD Decrypter + PSL pugins (PgcEdit) + FixVTS and it (DVDFAB Decrypter + VobBlanker) has never let me down. It has been a success and it has proven to me that it's working 100% regardless of what protections were encrypted onto the original dvds/movies.
All you need is the lastest from "DVDFAB Decrypter + VobBlanker" and transcode with DVD Shrink or Nero Recode 2 (your choice), or "encode" with DVD-RB Pro + CCE.
That being said, rip the movie with DVDFAB Decrypter into the hard drive first. Then load/import the already ripped VIDEO_TS.IFO file through VobBlanker -- if any VTS is marked as UNSUPPORTED or SKIP, then "make sure" to click on "PROC.ALL" at the right and finally click "PROCESS" at bottom to process and filter any left over junks. Now VobBlanker will take approximately 5 minutes to clean out junks and create a fresh VIDEO_TS file/movie for you. Once VobBlanker is completed, load/import the newly created VIDEO_TS file from VobBlanker into DVD Shrink or Nero Recode 2 (your choice).
Best of lucks to all and happy burning!!
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27. March 2006 @ 09:20 |
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Hmmm.... I don't want to jump in the pool and initiate any "cause" or similar, but I've been using FREE ripping tools like DVDFAB Decrypter, VobBlanker, DVD Shrink, DVD Decrypter, PgcEdit, PSL plugins, FixVTS and I've "never" ran into any issues whatsoever.
Again, best of lucks to all!
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Mez
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27. March 2006 @ 12:24 |
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A point well taken and the only real solutions for the "nightmare" on this thread are freeware. Even though I have been dissapointed with my purchased software I do not mind throwing a little money keeping some of these companies afloat.
Had I know more about the freeware I probably would not have spent the money. I admit I only start checking the boards out when what I have is not working for me. I too lazy to monitor all these boards routinely. I do enjoy the forums once I get involved. This one has plenty of great persons and not all the great persons are the experts. I have read some keen observations by person that did not sound like experts.
This is a great comunity!
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