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Capote nightmare
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mcmenace
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30. March 2006 @ 12:13 |
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I must agree to disagree, in that how could those one click users be smarter and/or more knowledgable than a smart advanced user. But I fail to see what the point is???
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POEE
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30. March 2006 @ 15:37 |
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I understand that some people want to use nothing but free programs. Free is nice. But, I'd rather pay a little bit, and not have the time and hassle invested with using nine(ok, four) different programs, to do a simple job.
Maybe you can't afford the programs, or maybe you're just too cheap, or maybe I'm just too lazy, to go through all that! I've always believed......... the simpler it is, the better it is! That's with everything in life. Not just burning dvds. :o)
So much advice in this thread to use CloneDVD2 -- and it seems some misunderstanding about why some of us do not use it. I own AnyDVD and CloneDVD2. But I still prefer using Nero Recode2 for transcoding and I burn with Nero. Since the "demise" of DVDDecrypter, AnyDVD is a fantastic program and the best $$ I've spent on a DVD backup solution. But I can't say the same for CloneDVD2. If time and simplicity are the most important factors for you, then yes, CloneDVD2 is great: it just WORKS, on even the latest protection schemes and is faster than anything else out there. However, I personally prefer a 2-pass VBR encoder like Recode2 or Shrink for image quality and hitting target size, not to mention the many other customizing features that CloneDVD2 leaves out for the sake of its famous one-click simplicity.
(And yes, I can easily notice the difference in image quality between a quick AnyDVD>CloneDVD2 backup and the more drawn-out AnyDVD>DVDDecrypter>Recode2>NeroBurningROM process that I typically use. And the quality difference only gets more pronounced when playing back on HDTV/progressive scan TV.) Fast and simple = CloneDVD2. Higher image quality = multi-pass VBR encoder. To each his own.
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30. March 2006 @ 15:57 |
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@POEE
If you like the quality of Nero Recode at 2 pass VBR, then you should try DVD Rebuilder. Rebuilder encodes rather than transcodes the movie and it is excellent. I too have used Nero Recode for a few years and have always like the output, but since trying Rebuilder have noticed a difference. I did KK using both Recode and Rebuilder and although the Recode came out very good with 2 pass and slow encode the Rebuilder was better. Give it a try, it does take some time to do depending on your system but it is good. You can use the free program and the free HC encoder. If you are interested here is the RB site.
http://dvd-rb.dvd2go.org/
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mcmenace
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30. March 2006 @ 16:39 |
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PoEE
What you said is certainly true but what you neglect to mention is CloneDVD2 is more than just one click simplicity. You have the option to leave out say bonus stuff et al simply by unchecking it, resulting in as close to a 1:1 ratio as you can get. I've always thought The closer to a 1:1 backup, the better the picture regardless of how you get there,at least thats what common sense is telling me. I may be wrong about that, but I have an HDTV/DVI/Progressive scan DVD, and from what I can see, the closer I get to a 1:1 ratio, the better the picture quality. I don't know for sure, but I think if you're working with a 50% ratio, you can make 20 passes and you're still gonna have a real clear 50% ratio backup in the end. Bottom Line - You summed it up very nicely, to each his own. It's these kinds of comments that are just out of line - Quote:
"it simply is because we're "smart, advanced user(s) and or more knowledgeable" than those one click user(s)"
- that about sums it up, a lot of useful info contained therein.
Happy Burning
mcmenace
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30. March 2006 @ 20:55 |
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edited :)
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POEE
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30. March 2006 @ 23:02 |
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@arniebear: Thanks for the info on DVD-RB, and the link. I've DL'd it and am about to install and try it out.
@mcmenace: I agree; the differences in various transcoders' output quality is not meaningful compared to a significant difference in compression ratio (say, movie only vs. complete DVD). I should have qualified my earlier post by stipulating that I usually back up the entire DVD. If you just want the main feature, and it will fit on DVD5 with less than 20% compression (~5500MB or less) then CloneDVD is as good as any other solution, imho. (Except faster.) Since I typically back up the main movie as well as extras, bonus material, menus, commentaries, etc, I often make use of Recode2/Shrink's ability to adjust the compression ratios of individual titles to give maximum space to the main movie.
Of course, the ideal is not having to compress the video at all. I upgraded to my first dual-layer burner almost 2 years ago for that very reason. (Wonder what happened to that idea...) :)
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31. March 2006 @ 09:11 |
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@mcmenace - got your PM; i've edited my reply. i was harsh, apologies. i see sooo much crap around here i get a little trigger hapy once in a while. now i won't disrupt the thread further ;)
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7. April 2006 @ 19:21 |
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My dvdxcopy from 321 would not take, but my dvdxplat. from xcopysoftware did, again I split my movies on 2 disc's always, so dvdxplat. and AnyDVD as my decrypter worked perfectly without all those complicated methods, just one click and go.
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Frostcrow
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13. April 2006 @ 16:32 |
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I recently bought Crash, Narnia, Capote, Brokeback Mtn and Dreamer. I always make DVD-9 backups, use the backup, and store the originals. It is not something I have bothered to become an expert at because it is normally just Rip with DVD Decrypter and Burn with Imgburn. The only reason I used imgburn is because it supposedly handles layer breaks better than it's predisessor and I'm doing DL backups.
The few times I did have a problem "ripping" (chicken little) I used DVDFab to rip the files, DVDShrink to build a new DVD-9 iso and imgburn to burn.
Using DVD Decrypter
Narnia ripped
Capote ripped
Dreamer ripped
Crash ripped
Brokeback Mtn ripped
Then Using Imgburn
Narnia backed up and played at normal speed. Watched all the way through the movie. Menues all appear to work.
Capote imgburn reports problem with the layer break
Dreamer imgburn reports problem with layer break
Crash imgburn reports problem with the layer break
Brokeback Mtn imgburn reports problem with the layer break
The error :
optimal L1 Data Zone start LBA: none found VTS_01 this disk has not been mastered correctly for burning onto a DL (OPT track Path) Disk
None of the cells meet the DVD-Video Specification Criteria for potential layer break position,
Do you want to continue anyway?
So. I run the iso through DVD Shrink and pretty much just remake the same DVD-9 iso.
Same problem
So. I run the iso through DVD Shrink and do a 4gig iso. Burns fine plays fine. I don't want compression though.
So I load the Capote iso onto a virtual DVD on the computer and it plays all the way through with no problems.
So I come here and read. I get VOBBLanker and run it (at all defaults). I recreate the .iso with DVD Shrink and try to burn with imgburn. Same error.
Again I re-rip the movie and run it through DVDShrink. Normally I do not use DVD Shrink and I forgot it will (when burning with Nero is disabled) default to burning with DVDDecryter... and there was still a blank DVD in the burner. So I step over the the computer thinking DVDShrink should be done and intending to burn it with imgburn but find DVDDecrypter burning away.
Now I assumed I would have a Coaster because DVDDecrypter is not supposed to be as savy at handling layer breaks as it's offspring imgburn and this entire problem is a layer break thing. I let it finish anyway, at $2.00+ a pop for printable Verbatum Datalife+ DL ...
I watched the Capotie copy from start to end. Curious I loaded the exact same ISO that DVDDecrypter used and tried again with imgburn and again imgburn reported the same layer break issue.
Dreamer I just ripped with dvddecrypter (iso read) and burned with dvddecrypter (iso write). Watched it start to finish. I do not use AnyDVD. I did not use Vobblanker. Just dvddecrypter.
I do not know what kind of new tricks they are playing with the layer breaks but it looks like this one is designed to confuse programs that are layer break savy. Since DVDDecrypter is not, it just burned it like it was and it works.
I half think that if I had just told imgburn to go ahead and burn then one of two things would happen:
(1) imgburn would burn it exactly as it was and it would work.
(2) imgburn would try to fix / make it's own layer break and the DVD would hang at the layer break when played.
It also seems odd to me that I was able to rip Capote with DVDDecrypter since it is a Sony release and previously I had to use DVDFab to do the new sony protected stuff.
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Car.Mike
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13. April 2006 @ 18:08 |
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Frostcrow,
Did 3 of the movies D/L and had no problems. Here is what I use. I set up DVDDecrypter( .iso mode) as suggested by Slysoft and use AnyDVD to decrypt the rip DVDD does. Then I use Imgburn to burn the DVD using the original layer break . Never had a problem.
Below is the info from AnyDVD History:
Note: To use DVDDecrypter with AnyDVD w/in DVDDecrypter set I/O Model to SPTI or ElbyCDIO.
Set CSS Cracking method to none. Disable checking for structure
protection.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 13. April 2006 @ 18:09
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Frostcrow
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14. April 2006 @ 06:59 |
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Car.Mike Do you do DL backups ? I used DVDDecrypter forever and just .iso rip and .iso burn but after a couple of releases didn't work (hung at layer break) I did some research and started using imgburn to write all my DL stuff. (and set book type !)
But now it looks like some new stuff will not be burnable with imgburn and at almost three bucks a disk I'm not going to do a lot a testing. So I guess I'm looking for new burning software.
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Car.Mike
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14. April 2006 @ 07:39 |
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Frostcrow,
I do D/L burns and have no problem doing them as I setup DVDDecrypter as Slysoft suggests and use AnyDVD to do the heavy lifting. The original layer break has not been moved when I have done one. I then burn w/ Imgburn. Check and make sure in DVDD you have this under settings
Iso Write Mode
Options
Make sure there is a check mark next to: Calculate Optimal
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Frostcrow
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14. April 2006 @ 08:18 |
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Car.Mike
The author of DVDDecrypter himself says that DVDDecrypter does not handle layer breaks correctly "sometimes". That is one of the reasons he wrote (and updates) imgburn. I personally ran into DVD's that Decrypter messed the layer break up on and that is why I was looking.
At the time , before I knew the problem was with the layer break, I Tried AnyDVD and it did not solve the problem. At the time, imgburn did.
Nero isn't an option it's 100x worse at screwing up the layer break than DVDDecrypter.
Can't make me install anything by Roxio. (not even at gun point)
I'm probably going to end up buying one of the one click solutions that support DL as long as it also creates/works with .iso files.
Does AnyDVD have anything to do with layer breaks ? It didn't help last time I ran into layer break problems and since you don't turn off DVDDecypters layer break stuff when you use AnyDVD that would seem to indicate AnyDVD has nothing to do with layer breaks.
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Car.Mike
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14. April 2006 @ 09:01 |
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Frostcrow
The layer break flags is determined buring the Read and not during the write if you use the original. What I think LightningUK was talking about is sometimes on the write DVDD does not do a proper layer. I always look in the right hand side and make sure it says " Original Layer break used" or something to that effect. Imgburn will use the original or will pick the next best spot if it can not find the flag.
AnyDVD has nothing to do w/ layer breaks and you might try Elby's CloneDVD 2 as I understand it can do D/L but I have never tried it. There might be a trial version you can use so you can find out that way. I have just not had the problem you are having
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14. April 2006 @ 09:38 |
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I have not had a problem with DVDD and doing dual layers it has always done a very good job. I have use CloneDVD and done dual layer backups and they too have come out well, with AnyDVD running in the background. As Car.Mike suggested dl the trial and see how this program works for you.
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