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P2P child pornography ring busted
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article published on 17 March, 2006
US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales revealed in Chicago yesterday that undercover investigators had infiltrated an Internet chat room hosting child pornography, and as a result 27 arrests were made in the US, Canada, Australia and England. The chat room, known as "Kiddypics & Kiddyvids", was used to trade "graphic images of child pornography ? including live streaming video of adults sexually ... [ read the full article ]
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ram77man
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19. March 2006 @ 03:43 |
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How does this sound: Pay a few euros more for your internet connection and the extra payment would be used to fight child pornography.
I'd sign up for that.
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19. March 2006 @ 10:03 |
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P2P child pornography ring busted
Good. I hope they all get life in prisonment..
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Chris1000
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19. March 2006 @ 11:58 |
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You cannot protect children from anything, unless you lock them up in a room for the rest of their lives, with only you as a visitor, and then they are still in danger, because YOU could hurt them.
Is sex really a atrocity? For most normal people, adults and children, their first sexual experience is the best experience of their life, unless they are held down and forced by someone in the sexual experience!
That can happen to adults JUST as much as children.
You are taking away children's rights, on the notion that EVERY sexual interaction they will get involved in is forced. In my experience, working as a paralegal and social worker, that is NOT the case at all.
The real damage comes from the parents vitriol against the adults from taking away their children's 'innocence', and sometimes against other CHILDREN or TEENAGERS for doing the same thing, when it is sometimes the children that are being 'sexually abused' that initiated the sexual interaction, or gave their permission for the sexual interaction.
Second, I have two daughters, and I have taught them that no one, not me, not their mother, not authority figures, not other adults, not other child, have the right to tell them what so do and what not to do, as long at they are not putting other people in danger of harm.
Consenting to sexual interactions does NOT put other children in danger, not one whit. If that was true, you could say that adults doing the same thing, are putting other adults into danger!
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Wesmosis
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19. March 2006 @ 13:58 |
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great
P2P still rock though
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metrixxx
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19. March 2006 @ 14:07 |
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It happens a lot, when 15, 16-years kids get engaged with the same age. But when some fat bastard abusing a child this is just sick and the people who just watching this is no better. They all should burn in hell!!!
After all even the criminals in prisons dont like this sort of scum, and i hope they will get proper ass treatment back in cell. Sickies like this should never walk free!!!!!
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19. March 2006 @ 14:16 |
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I was wondering at first how the heck chris1000 could have gotten into a situation with a minor and have a video camera running. Interesting coincidence... But as a social worker, I guess he could. So anyone here before you label somebody find out how everything happened and then do the right thing.
I'd say I generally agree with chris1000. Teenagers under 18 do it left and right, even get pregnant. They fake IDs to get into clubs, girls dress to attract, it's not unusual they fantasize about adults. At 26 I met this girl I thought was 19-20, it turned out she was 17. I was like, "don't you see a problem here, I'm 9 years older?" and she said that, one--she can't stand guys her age ("they're so stupid!"), two--older men attract her more, three--I don't hold the record for age difference. At 14(1) she dated a man she liked and he was 32! I did try to get into her pants, I admit, but she stayed in control and did not let me, and I didn't press the matter then, cuz she was under 18 and if she decided something had gone wrong I would be jailed as a rapist. That was then, now that we don't date, just chat on MSN, in a recent conversation she tells me I should have been more insistent. People, I got mad. It was my fault I respected her age, and understood that a "no" means "no"!
On a recent trip to my hometown in Eastern Europe, I did get many "looks" from obviously underage girls while riding public transportation or in the street. I'm 29, I do look at least 25, hopefully :), they must be able to see that, so tell me they are not interested! As soon as they hit puberty and their hormones kick in, there's no stopping them. Yes, as adults, we have to take responsibility, but I have my own hormones to worry about, and we can't sterilize their environment. I did meet teens who looked as adults, physically, and they do try hard to hide their real age. I dont ask ID from every girl I meet, and if she says she's over 18 I simply have to believe her.
All of the above goes to show that the act of sex with a post-pubescent girl is a wide "gray area" of law and it is often not the adult who is the seducer. After all a young pretty girl has lots more seductive ability. I strongly believe the law in this country does not reflect reality, and is not fair to adults. We get oversexualized media promoting daily, we get sexual revolution, morals changing, it is "cool" and "adult" if you do it, just as smoking was when I was growing up. But unlike smoking, it's also a lot of fun. And so teens go for it, after all, why not? It's only natural.
However, the sickos who engage in sex with infants should be caught and jailed. There's nothing consentual or natural in it, and most times, it is forced upon the child.
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19. March 2006 @ 14:59 |
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so eserver are you saying that sex wit minors is ok as long as you dont videotape it?
I believe it depends on the age difference. A 17 and an 18 year old, I can understand. To me, that's acceptable. But an age difference of more then 2 or three years is pushing it.
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19. March 2006 @ 19:08 |
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Ok after reading the new additions i feel i must add a point.
"Children" is what we are talking about here... taking away childrens inoccence is in my book via sexual or any type of abuse is the worst thing that a person can do male or female.
The age aspect differs from country to country if i remember my facts correctly.
I know i Australia a consentual cuple can be from the ages of 16yrs and up, hetrosexual or same sex couple it does not matter they brought this law in a few years back.
If you want to find out more about legislation about your own country i suggest you visit your official government website...
Child abuse should not be tolerated at all!!!
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19. March 2006 @ 19:11 |
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Sorry the server of aD was playin up on me :)
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19. March 2006 @ 19:42 |
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Jalathole
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20. March 2006 @ 02:07 |
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Fuck*n sickos! That's all i can say. Even if kids volentarily have their picture taken of sexual acts, they are too young to make decisions for themselves, especially if they are under 14.
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mrbungle8
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20. March 2006 @ 07:43 |
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this is one of the main reasons why i despise and hate the internet... this is only the beginning of whats really fuckin wrong out their in the world... When it comes to young teens.. yes they will come on to you and are willing and able to have sex like a adult... but to film it and distibute it is the worst form of human exploitation possible... even with adults... to film sexual relations and put it out for millions to see if WRONG WRONG WRONG in so many ways... weather her adult, kid, old ladie, old man.... whatever.... sex wasnt meant to be filmed for others to crank a load off too... and with these children being exploited like this... makes me filled with rage deep down inside... esspeically now that i have a 3 month old daughter... and if anyone was to even remotely do anything of this nature to my daughter... i will not be afraid to fuckin kill a mother fuckin as brutally and as slowely as humanly possible.... i would not be bothered by the life jail sentance either... atleast i could sleep in peace that one more nasty fuckin is gone and wiped from the world
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20. March 2006 @ 09:03 |
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They are trying to vilify the P2P and its working. Now people will think that P2P is effectively about vile pornography, and not about Oh! I want to see my favourite Smallville episode that I missed yesterday or catch up on my Stargate SG1 series.
There are million of users, and there were 27 scumbags. Does that justify shutting down the server? No. Crime will happen regardless of where it takes place.
If someone murders a person in a cafe, do the officers shut down that same cafe, no, it eventually reopens for business.
Just remove the unwanted off the servers and don't say that the P2P is the devil's work, thats all.
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20. March 2006 @ 16:47 |
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It dosent help thathollywood and the industry kinda ignores itand blames the "pirates" for it >>
BUt anyway sicne this topic came up dose any know about the resent law they passed 6 or so eyars ago that makes anything fictional involing kids illict?
I am a hentai fan (cant stand rape or mosnters or forcefull sences...I know I know I have issues >>)
Bascily its close to makeing hentai bannable if its clear they have teens or kids in it.
I tend to side with the way the japanase handle sex offerenders and oddiesties in sexuality *L*
the US is so damn anal its scary >< altho the japanase can be so strange theya re as scary *L*
*hides under bed nawing on blankie*
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20. March 2006 @ 18:14 |
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LOL i love that graphic, Joeva
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20. March 2006 @ 19:27 |
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lol, i kno its cool, i cant take credit for it tho, cause i got it from another member.
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20. March 2006 @ 21:18 |
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20. March 2006 @ 23:11 |
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Good news on the kiddie fiddler front HOORAY!!!
the more of them that get locked up the better although there is a nice solution, I didnt see anyone pulling out that hoary old quote from the bible, it's from the book of Luke ?It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.? (Luke 17:2). I'm a father of 4 kids, I'll even pay for the millstones. Anyone sick enough to do that kind of stuff to kids doesn't deserve to live.
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20. March 2006 @ 23:26 |
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someone who is 13 doesnt fully understand sex, nor are in control of thier emotions or hormones enough to consent to sex
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jasonchen
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21. March 2006 @ 07:54 |
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metrixxx
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21. March 2006 @ 13:40 |
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Back here in England about 2 years ago, BT has created special software for ISP providers, which effectively blocking any attempts to access such sites (not sure how it called).
But the shame is, althrough a lot of providers have it running, there still some ISP, including major ones,who do not want to put it. This is simply not the highest priority for them. And it would cost them just few grands.
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They are trying to vilify the P2P and its working. Now people will think that P2P is effectively about vile pornography, and not about Oh! I want to see my favourite Smallville episode that I missed yesterday or catch up on my Stargate SG1 series.
There are million of users, and there were 27 scumbags. Does that justify shutting down the server? No. Crime will happen regardless of where it takes place.
YES! It does justify shutting down the server. This sort of crimes are purely for profit (unlike murders etc). And if there wiil be no accessible child porn sites, this scums wont be able to make money. It wont stop it completely, but at least there will be fewer broken lives.
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21. March 2006 @ 14:10 |
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YES! It does justify shutting down the server. This sort of crimes are purely for profit (unlike murders etc). And if there wiil be no accessible child porn sites, this scums wont be able to make money. It wont stop it completely, but at least there will be fewer broken lives.
I disagree. It doesn't justify closing down an entire server purely because of these vile scumbags, as they will still be able to trade there merchandise in other ways..
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This sort of crimes are purely for profit (unlike murders etc).
From reading Dela's report and from what I hear on the news, I believe that these crimes are for the pleasure of these sick, evil & vile paedophiles.
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And if there wiil be no accessible child porn sites, this scums wont be able to make money.
Ah, I think you may be a little confused here. Child porn sites should be closed down as soon as, without question. But P2P servers in which a minority are trading illegal and vile material is a much broader issue, as closing these down affects more than just the perverts -- it affect many P2P users who may be using the server to trade perfectly legal content..
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21. March 2006 @ 15:21 |
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including live streaming video of adults sexually molesting children and infants."
ok, kids bein molested is bad eough, but INFANTS???? holy sh*t, i just barfed in my mouh, these guys deserv to burn in hell.
and btw, cn anyone tell me the differene between a rape case and a molestin case, hear both alot on the news an cant tell the difference.
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metrixxx
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22. March 2006 @ 08:57 |
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From reading Dela's report and from what I hear on the news, I believe that these crimes are for the pleasure of these sick, evil & vile paedophiles.
Yes this crimes are for the pleasure of sick paedos who are willing to pay to watch and download them. People who producing this sites, doing this for profit aswell.
It is like usuall market - if there is someone who want to buy something, there will be always someone who want to sell this, whatever it takes them. Yes there is P2P, but most of the paedo sites are pay-per-view and if all of them will be shut down or blocked, there wiil be no one, who could pay for this.
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pmaknelho
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22. March 2006 @ 13:08 |
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Anyone caught sexually abusing children should seriuosly be castrated. The US laws on this are weak as f. I saw this on the news in Chicago. All 3 of the guys arrested for doing the taping are out on bail and the news was not allowed to show their faces. These guys faces should be put up everywhere with the headline "Parents and children look out these guys rape children and are on the streets."
BTW the children in the videos where as young as 3.
Fry these MF's
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