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P2P child pornography ring busted
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 17 March, 2006
US Attorney General Alberto Gonzales revealed in Chicago yesterday that undercover investigators had infiltrated an Internet chat room hosting child pornography, and as a result 27 arrests were made in the US, Canada, Australia and England. The chat room, known as "Kiddypics & Kiddyvids", was used to trade "graphic images of child pornography ? including live streaming video of adults sexually ... [ read the full article ]
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billdoors
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23. March 2006 @ 10:34 |
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I have grave misgivings about anyone defending pedophiles on the basis that we are taking children's rights by not allowing them to give consent to be molested by adults what a facile argument. I've never heard a professional give the opinion that it is alright for children to be 'doinked' (that is the expression Chris1001 used I believe) and I have met many professionals in the field of Social care. we aren't talking about a couple of seven year olds playing 'doctor' here we are talking about sexual predators, deviants abusing children in a sick way. Chris 1001 says "...gave their permission for the sexual interaction..." actually children under the age of consent cannot give consent for sexual activity with an adult in the western world, this is why it is called the age of consent.... The only time I hear arguments for children's sexual rights is from pedophile groups or someone trying to defend their actions when caught.
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necronite
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23. March 2006 @ 12:31 |
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are the worst imaginable forms of child pornography,"
I know this is gonna sound bad, but just like when you drive by an accident on the side of the road, or you see someone with a deformity or a bad scar, for some reason I am curious, what are the worst imaginable forms? I don't have a creative sick mind to imagine this kinda stuff without some sorta clue.
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23. March 2006 @ 15:08 |
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if anything, they should be thanking p2p for helping them catch these, lower than life scum! WITHOUT P2P THEY WOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN CAUGHT OR AT LEAST NOT SOON ENOUGH.
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23. March 2006 @ 15:25 |
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ok....someone before said that it's ok if the child gives consent. THAT IS WRONG! It doesn't matter wether the child gives consent or the pedophile abuses them without consent - it is still wrong! That is why there is the law about age of consent - children don't always know what is good for them at that age. I remember as a kid, I would misbehave or say really bad things that I heard off other kids not knowing what they meant...now that I know what it means, I know it was bad and I wish I never said those things. I know that as a kid you don't always know what's right. Child abuse affects everyone - whether you are the one that was molested or whether you are a parent, relative or friend of one that was abused. People should not be downloading these sick videos because that is really just supporting what he pedophiles are doing. People are only going to sell it if they know people are going to download it. Whether you make the videos, sell them or download them it is all just as bad. However, shutting down P2P networks isn't going to stop it and thats not what P2P was intended for. If they shut down P2P, the sickos will just move on to other methods. It needs to be stopped from the source, AND, the sickos should not be released from jail because most of the time, they just go back and reoffend.
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23. March 2006 @ 18:08 |
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Me being 17 at the moment and about to turn 18 in May, I've found it so easy for me (couldn't say why, perhaps I have some morale :) to stop myself from even considering talking to girls who are 16 or younger (unless of course I'm working with them at school or on the job).
I was happy to read another post that said just about the same thing.
Regardless of this, it's a completely different story when it's a 30 year old guy and some 14 year old girl. Sickening, even if the girl really does like the 30 year old guy that way. It's like being anti-interracial, except it's anti-interage (difference of more than 4 years). For example, when I'm 25, I personally think it would be acceptable to date a girl that's 21 (my own parents are 6 years apart). The reason I think it's okay in that case is because both of us would be over 18. I'm a little iffy on being 22 and dating an 18 year old for some reason, though.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 23. March 2006 @ 18:10
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param007
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23. March 2006 @ 18:33 |
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Technological innovations are there to help humans...not to degrade themselves by involving in these sort of activities...
Whatever be the case, the culprits must be punished to the maximum extent possible under law. We see great breakthroughs in science and techs but, But nobody seems to worry about future generations....we dont have the vision of what our forefathers had of making the world a better place to live...
These sort of activities makes one feel, what sort of world we will be facing in near future !!! if these sort of filthy activities not stopped by some means..
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dantheaf
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23. March 2006 @ 19:43 |
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i agree. it's only going to get worse. the worst thing about child porn on the internet, is that it opens it up to a huge audience. it's a lot easier for people to get pornography now that there is the internet. the bad thing is, that the demand for child porn is going to get higher with more computer users and that means that more and more children are going to be abused. as you have seen, child pornography on the internet is growing and getting bigger and bigger each year...that obviously means that more children than before are going to be molested. more demand by child porn downloaders means more sick pictures and vidoes required which means more children molested...it's a big problem and i think the governments and isp's need to take it a bit more seriously if they really want to stop it....let's face it, everything is moving towards technology, everything is going digital...years ago you would get photos from film not cameras, you would watch movies at the cinema or on vhs tape not the internet, you would listen to music on the radio not on the internet, you would use typewriters instead of microsoft word and you would send letters, not email. so the pedophiles are taking advantage of technology and the internet (which it was not intended for this kind of use). it is likely that because the technology is there, the pedophiles are going to want to use it to their advantage (however you want to put it) and so most pedophiles probably use the internet because they want to download his sort of stuff and share the stuff they have. so governments and isp's really need to do something about this....
one method of reducing the amount of child porn on the internet is forcing file sharing program makers to have filters on the file sharing programs so it will filter out certain files. they are already doing this now, but instead of filtering child porn they are only filtering copyrighted content (songs, movies). they need to stop focusing so much on the illegal downloading of music and movies and stop the illegal downloading and sharing of child porn which is the REAL problem. also, would it be possible for ISP's to filter content of this type? however, it's not just about the downlaoding and sharing of child porn, it's about where its coming from. it's coming from children being molested, that's where it all starts and thats what needs to be stopped.
that's my essay :)
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JesusC
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24. March 2006 @ 00:51 |
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Solargame the difference bewteen rape and molesting is as follows rape is forced sex and molesting is grabbing and rubbing icky... right now i belive that the authorities should inflitrate these sites grab everybody who even goes in for 5 min and have a nasty virus on board for those who stay longer without loging in to stop their computers and grab all memebers and force to serve justice.
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dantheaf
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24. March 2006 @ 01:44 |
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good idea...if they (the authorities) have the technology to track users (which they do) then they should use it. whether its rape or molestation - it doesnt matter, it is all illegal. i don't know how burglars can sue people because they tripped over something in someones garden when they were trying to rob a house, but at the same time, these sickos are getting away with it, and the one's who are punished get a short sentence and then they get protection when they get out of jail. its just not right.
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24. March 2006 @ 04:14 |
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The really sad thing is that in Arizona,the laws are written as if achild is not entitled to the full measure of thelaw. Time after time, I have watched "the authorities" plead a child rapist down to misconduct w/ a minor, and child killers serve 6 months to 5 years for AGGRAVATED CHILD ABUSE! But a guy breaks into a soda machine and gets 3 years...who is protecting our children's future?
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necronite
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24. March 2006 @ 05:50 |
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Regardless of this, it's a completely different story when it's a 30 year old guy and some 14 year old girl. Sickening, even if the girl really does like the 30 year old guy that way.
I'm gonna say this just cause no one has. You shouldn't make these kinda statements at age 17. What do you know about 30 year olds? When you get to 30, then see if you will make the statement.
I'm 32 now, and for the last 10 years I've found women younger than me more attactive than women my own age. Maybe that's cause I'm immature or insecure or the girls were more mature and confident.
In my 30s I never had a relationship with anyone under 20, but I'm not being judgmental of anyone that does And I don't think a 17 year old has any wisdom when it comes to these kind of relationships
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dantheaf
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24. March 2006 @ 14:32 |
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I think tatsh was just giving an example and i think that tatsh was right. A 30 year old guy with a 14 yea old girl? well if they are under 20 it's a bit wierd but its still legal...but if they are under 18 it's illegal....tatsh said 14 in her example. a 30 year old guy with a 14 year old guy - there is nothing right about that. even if you want your girlfriend to be a bit younger than you, it shouldnt be a 14 year old. and you just said that you possibly found the younger girls more mature and confident yet at the same time you are saying that a 17 year old doesnt have any wisdom when it comes to these kind of relationships. doesnt that contradict? and if a 30-something year old guy is going out with a girl 18 or younger - that's a big age difference. how far would you go?
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24. March 2006 @ 19:59 |
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I'm a male.
Anyway, in my opinion, the people caught here are the only people in society who may truly have to be completely "re-educated" similar to how political prisons work in countries like North Korea and China. It's torture and it's excellent for people like this. This is the only case where I can agree with something like the CIA taking these guys to another country to abuse them to get answers out of them. (Otherwise, from what I've read and seen on TV, the CIA is a waste.)
With regards to age difference, I truly can understand how younger women are going to (most cases obviously) look better than women at your age (when you get past 30), necronite. They only put the most attractive women on TV 90% of the time (yes, even on the news), so we get bombarded with women on TV and movies who are usually in the range of 20-30. And the temptation is great.
I can imagine it being perfectly fine that people being as far as 15 or even 20 years apart are together (happens all the time with celebrities, of course the girl wants money). I think the major thing here is that both need to be over 18. That's all I was trying to say in my last post. 30 and 14, wrong. But 40 and 25, obviously if they really are intimate, there's nothing wrong there at all.
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29. March 2006 @ 08:51 |
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U know what. Someone should go undercover and make a p2p site and put pics of child porn on there, and when a bastard tries to upload or download pics find them and send them to jail. You could get them one by one. Build up a reputation on the site for allowing child porn. When they want to download the p2p softwear, put some sort of spyware inside the program so it can track what they've been downloading and uploading. Well of course spyware programs will pick up the spyware that's inside the program, but get in contact with the developers of the most used spyware programs and tell them to not let them detect it as spyware and the way to do it is run an update. So next time when one of those bastards wants to check for spyware he will not see it and he will go back to downloading child porn or uploading it, then that's when u can check what that persons been doing. I don't know if regular people would be able to do this, but the goverment might. If the goverments looking please think about it. You could clean the floor with these bastards.
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joe777
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30. March 2006 @ 02:19 |
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My ISP is running an oppinon poll to ask whether you think ISP's should be morally obliged to help stop this filth or should it be left to the individual. Well if my ISP wants to look at what I am downloading/uploading to the net, then thats no bloody problem. Ok some people might not want that cause they are maybe downloading a movie or a song or something, but hey you gotta draw the line somewhere, we have to do something and I think the ISP's are a good start. The following link is in Dutch, please vote and tell the ISP's to get their finger out.
http://www.planet.nl/planet/show/id=118880/contentid=697040/sc=695a5e
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dimanche
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30. March 2006 @ 06:51 |
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OK, somebody explain to me, what the concept of consent is. "I consent" means: "I know what I'm getting into" or "I know what I want", or what?
In the first case, the law is based on the premise that person under 18 doesn't know what they are getting into (as opposed to the adult seeking sex from them, who, as an adult, supposedly does), therefore, that underage person cannot legally consent. It would be fine, after all, if you've never had sex before, and are under 18, you should be protected from the unknown activity, even if your hormones tell you otherwise. However, and that's the biggest issue I have with the age of consent, these days teens under 18 are having sex and getting sex education in school (what sex is, consequences, how to be safe etc.) So what is it that they don't know about sex that adults do? They've done it, they've studied it, HELLO, it's no cat in the bag anymore! I think, if a girl is a virgin, she should be protected all the way to 18. If not, there's nothing really she doesn't know that an adult does. Who knows, that 17yrold may have slept with more people than the adult.
In the second case, my 24yrold still doesn't know what she wants. Where have you met a woman who knows what she wants (except Margaret Thatcher, who lost all the X chromosomes before she was born:))? Should they be allowed to consent at all? To anything? No offense, ladies, I love you :))
Obviously, the law should protect the young from the dangerous unknown, but just as you get a driver's license at 16 (which certifies that you had sufficient practice handling a vehicle) and are allowed, at such a young age, to go on the road with a two-ton machine and endanger lives of your fellow drivers and innocent unsuspecting pedestrians, so should you be treated in the matters of sex: if you have experience--you can consent. If not--wait til 18 or get your "license" with your peers.
Please note, a 16yrold behind a wheel poses far more danger to others and to themselves than the same having sex with whoever. Don't believe it--ask insurance companies and look up accident statistics. They speed, they crash, they don't watch the road. They endanger ME! My collision insurance is higher because underage drivers make it more likely that I get into an accident, and so on. As you see, the law is inconsistent. It allows these irresponsible, hormon-driven youngsters engage into something far more dangerous than sex at a younger age, and yet imposes 18 as an age of consent.
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dimanche
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30. March 2006 @ 07:12 |
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More on the topic. The government should do a better job tracking down sites with child porn. As someone mentioned before, those videos are sold there, and P2P is only a secondary distribution channel. Track'em down, catch and jail, shut down sites, but don't go overboard and spoil a good thing for the rest of us. P2P servers could try to block files containing certain word combinations. It would not eliminate distribution, but make it one notch harder to find specific content on P2P. The IP uploading/downloading a certain file can be tracked and logged and reported.
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30. March 2006 @ 12:02 |
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The problem is when we act so nicely to vile sick evil unhumans as we do they dont see what the punishment is that it hurts or scares them.I am saying it but it wont never happen because of all the bleeding hearts librals about the rights they have.BUt please tell me when does anyone really listen to the victims.No i dont think the courts dont care its all a big show for and no result.I say lets just put these scumbags all on a island or please just punish them so it scares the hell out of them to think what happens to them for there sick crimes not just a slap on there hands and off they go again to hurt more kids.
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billdoors
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31. March 2006 @ 10:35 |
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Dimanche the age of consent is that defined by current legislation in which ever country you reside pure and simple.
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dimanche
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1. April 2006 @ 11:50 |
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billdoors, I asked what the concept was, not age. I also want to know why they set it at 18, for what reason. I compare age limitations on various activities, and do not believe sex is so potentially harmful to anyone that an 18-years age of consent to it should even exist. I can write a statistically supported comparative essay here on which activity is dangerous enough to receive legislative attention, starting with driving, but I'm going to limit myself to the following. In the US, you are allowed to drive at 15, borrow any amount of money and consent to sex at 18, and have a beer at 21(!). Of all these, sex causes the least amount of either fatalities or economical damages, and therefore should be allowed first. Driving and/or drinking--last--they are the leading cause of teenage fatalities, money-borrowing and engaging in contracts--in the middle. What does it have to do with the topic of this forum? Everything, because a video of anyone under 18 having sex is considered child pornography, no matter if the the subject is 17 or 3. Obviously, there's a world of difference between the two cases.
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billdoors
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3. April 2006 @ 07:16 |
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Dimanche, if you want to look at the reasons why certain laws have been passed then you would need to know when they were passed and adopted. s for the concept you would have to refer back to the person(s) who drafted the law to understand their reasoning. It is your subjective opinion that 18 is too high a cutoff point for the age of consent and it may be valid. I take your point on alcohol and cars but people vote for the politicians that make the laws, the only route for change is to vote for those you think will follow an agenda you agree with
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3. April 2006 @ 15:43 |
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seriously...whats the difference between molesting a kid and videotaping it??? i mean, there is a difference, but i think they are equally just as bad. molesting a kid is really bad, but whether you make the videos or watch and download the vidoes, that is just as bad, because you are encouraging what they do and you are making a market available for the people who make and sell these videos. if there were no people that wanted to watch these videos, then there wouldnt be any sites to sell the videos. nobody is going to sell it if people dont want to buy it, so the people who download are just as bad. also, i think if someone is sick enough to download these videos, then they are probably likely to molest a child too...if they are going to watch it, they are probably going to do it...know i'm saying?
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