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Primera Aquaguard Burned
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bubblegal
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25. March 2006 @ 19:24 |
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Heys Guys. I'm pretty new to this arena. I have been trying to find a good quality DVD-R Media that is printable but I can't seem to have any luck. I bought some of Primera's new Aquaguard DVD-R printable's, but I just found out they are made by CMC- which according to this site is really bad media. But on their website it said it was made for archival and could last 50 years. I feel so stupid because I thought I could trust them. Has anyone tried these by the way.
So my question is who can I trust? I read on the website that Tayio Yuden was supposed to be great media? But where can I conviently buy this if its made from Japan. (Exact sites would be helpful). What would you say is the best DVD-media out there and where can i get it. I am using these for long term back-up so I need good quality. I have just heard so many conflicting reports about Ritek and others media so I have no idea what is good. I am confused where to go especially since I was burned by Primera.
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25. March 2006 @ 19:47 |
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 Piss me off, and I Will ignore You!This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. March 2006 @ 19:54
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JoeRyan
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30. March 2006 @ 14:48 |
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You can check other sites on the web and find that they recommend CMC Magnetics as a good quality supplier (and the one who actually makes the great Verbatim discs made in Taiwan. Afterdawn forum members often list their drives and ancillary equipment at the bottom of their names. Very many of the drives listed DO NOT HAVE CMC MID codes in their firmware, even up-to-date firmware! No wonder the discs don't work well--their drives do not support them.) Taiyo Yuden, the inventor and patent holder of optical dye-based recording, and Verbatim, the inventor of DL and a major dye supplier, both have support in all drives on the market.
Your claiming you were "burned" by Primera presumes they are wrong and the claims on this site are correct. Until you actually try the discs with a drive that supports them, you cannot tell if they work for you or not. The Aquaguard discs are completely new formulations that no one on this site has probably used yet. If they are to be automatically condemned simply because CMC made them, the same should apply to CMC-made Verbatim discs made in Taiwan. No need to feel stupid--trust your own judgment and rely less on claims made by people whose equipment is incompatible with the discs they vilify. (There may be another web site somewhere where people with CMC-compatible drives congregate and praise CMC while complaining about other discs that are incompatible with their drives. I can point out sites that show scans where CMC discs perform as well as some of the best discs on the market.)
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30. March 2006 @ 15:21 |
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LOL! That is funny!
Joe,your back! Man, if you are looking for another CMC bad/good debate, you're barking at the wrong tree!
All I know is that my burner does burn CMC mag made media. As a matter of fact, the very first discs that I ever bought they were Imation, CMC Mag made. You say "Very many of the drives listed DO NOT HAVE CMC MID codes in their firmware, even up-to-date firmware!".
If that is the case, the burner should not recognize any of those discs, right? Well, I managed to burn a few, so I guess my burner did recognize them. I had more failed burns that success, but I did burn a few. That was about a little over 3 months ago. I tried last week to copy those Imations on a different(better) quality media. Well, I couldn't, because of read errors, because some discs were not playing, or were playing but not without skipping or bad pixellation. So I ditched them.
You tell people what you want, I could give a rat's a$$ about what media everybody uses. They can listen to other people's experiences, they can trial and err on their own, I DON'T CARE!
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Until you actually try the discs with a drive that supports them, you cannot tell if they work for you or not.
I don't think he wants to wait for that miracle burner, that "blessed" one that is allowed to burn on CMCs and make burns that will actually last. He wants to burn NOW, with the burner that he has. And obviously, it does not work! What you are suggesting is "get a different burner that will work with this god damn special media, instead of getting different media! C'mon man, do I buy another car just because I have a gallon of diesel fuel, and the one that I own doesn't run on diesel? Or would it be smart to buy the proper fuel?
If you really are interested in presenting your scientific evidence to bubblegal, don't bother writing again, just link him to one of the old threads:~):
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/3/232406
@bubblegal
Good luck!
Don't use carappy media! Use what is proven to work, not what is claimed it should work!
Piss me off, and I Will ignore You!
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 30. March 2006 @ 15:29
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JoeRyan
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30. March 2006 @ 15:34 |
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A drive that does not have a particular MID code in its firmware table may still be able to record that disc with a default setting. The record quality may or may not produce a good recording depending on how close the default setting is to the ideal OPC setting. So, the answer to your question is, "No. That does not mean that the drive will not recognize the disc." You do not list your drive or its firmware; so I have no idea if your drive is compatible or not.
As to your other advice to bubblegal, you and I completely agree: use what is proven to work, not what people claim. I take that to mean, "Try the discs before condemning them because other people said so." If the discs do not work or are incompatible with your drive, you can trust Verbatim and TY to work and work well. Watch for firmware updates for your drive, and they will enhance the writing performance of the drive and increase compatibility with more discs.
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30. March 2006 @ 15:39 |
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My burner is a Nec 3550A with a modified firmware from Liggy&Dee, version 1.Y5. Previously I had 1.Y4.
Now, again, why is this so special CMC Mag media incompatible with so many up to date burners, if CMC is one of the biggest media manufactures?
And what is that special burner that loves CMCs?
As for a site that "(There may be another web site somewhere where people with CMC-compatible drives congregate and praise CMC while complaining about other discs that are incompatible with their drives.,
I am looking forward to seeing that!
Piss me off, and I Will ignore You!
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 30. March 2006 @ 15:40
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JoeRyan
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31. March 2006 @ 07:27 |
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cyprusrom--
CMC MAG codes are often missing in Plextor and LG drives when they are initially released. CMC MAG produces Philips, TDK, Sony, and Verbatim discs under different MID codes; so that production counts for their total. CD-R Freaks and other websites find CMC discs to be OK--not great, but OK. As for a website that congregates Lite-On or other drive users who find CMC perfectly acceptable and, say, MBI or some other non-Japanese code, unacceptable, that's just conjecture. This site (http://www.dvd-recordable.org/Reviews+index-req-showcontent-id-18...) "tested" the new Pioneer DVR-111 with CMC MAG ID codes and found "better" results in scans of those discs compared to MCC codes. Since the site does not state how they tested and got the measurements, it is difficult to judge the validity of the tests. "Better" in this case is a few undefined percentage points better than MCC, but that is statistically insignificant.
As for hacked firmware, that changes everything. Every drive manufacturer I work with uses DVD CATs results ($175,000 for the base Pulstech drive and analyzer and another $75,000 for each additional format) or at least Expertech ($50,000) to analyze the changes in jitter, output, and error rates when setting firmware. Unless Liggy&Dee are using that kind of equipment, any changes to firmware are suspect. NEC, Lite-On, and Pioneer are good in supporting CMC in their retail and OEM drives.
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31. March 2006 @ 09:20 |
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I don't know how the modified firmware is made. They say it is based on the the original one, they just add stuff for booktyping support, some media speedups and better media compatibility. Tested or not on that fancy, exapensive equipment, it works just fine with Riteks, Verbatims, Maxell and TY. My bad experience with CMC made media was actually with Nec's original firmware( 1.05). http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/282613
And since I can buy all this discs for cheaper than CMC Mag made Memeorex for example, that is what I will use. I really don't do quality scans, error tests and stuff. I really don't know how relevant they are unless you are sure the scanner is acctually accurate. I am happy with my drive as a burner, but I don't know though as a scanner...All I know is that those Imations are unusable after just a little over 3 months. DVD+Rs burned at 4, using Nero or DVDD. So, I will personally not buy anything else than what I am using now. I really didn't know if to completely trust the Ritek R03 ones, but a pack of 50 for $6 was very tempting! They burn with no problems, will see if they pass the test of time, which I actually think is the real test, not just a "Successful Burn" and trumpet sound from Nero!
Cheers!
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MEDIANUT
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6. April 2006 @ 07:12 |
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The CMC discs work wonderful in some units and not so wonderful in others. Taiyo Yuden discs are expensive compared to the CMC discs. The best thing I have found is Taiyo Yuden VALUE LINE. These things are cheap and have great burn and print quality. I bought some from here:
Shiny Siver: DVDR-silver-lacquer-pack-dvdr47val600sk-p-552.html" class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.mediamegamall.com/taiyo-yuden-value-line-DVDR-silver-l...
White Inkjet:
DVDR-silver-lacquer-pack-dvdr47val600sk-p-552.html" class="korostus" target="_blank">http://www.mediamegamall.com/taiyo-yuden-value-line-DVDR-silver-l...
It kills me because they are now on sale with free shipping, I bought them last month and they were not :( . I hope this helps, I know it is a confusing world of blank media but if you stick with the big name brands they usually back their products pretty well.
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6. April 2006 @ 07:29 |
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CMC was right in saying that they will last for 50 years however you can only watch the movie once every 25 years.
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MEDIANUT
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17. April 2006 @ 12:51 |
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Haha, you are right in saying that, GO TAIYO!
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