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jwat
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31. March 2006 @ 20:40 |
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Any guesses why I cant burn movies from DVDShrink to
Memorex 16X DVD-R blank media. jwat
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31. March 2006 @ 20:48 |
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Because it's Memorex, plain and simple. Memorex is very poor media. You'll need to get better media like Taiyo Yuden or Verbatim. Also, it is advised that you don't burn at max speed. If you get more 16x media, I wouldn't burn any faster than 8x. It's recommended to burn at half the advertised speed.
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1. April 2006 @ 01:31 |
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thread teleported to relevant forum.
and Memorex....well...what can i say that i haven't said endlessly. They use varying quality in disc manufacturers so you don't know which manufacturer' discs you end up with any time you buy them, ie it's a lottery as to which discs you get
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1. April 2006 @ 05:07 |
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It's almost as if he knew to throw in "Memorex 16x" lol.
Like they already said (and all the threads in the media forum), Memorex is worse than garbage.
If you don't believe us, go to the relevant thread or search "Memorex" here and you can read the horror stories.
Normally, I would suggest selling them on Ebay. But that's not fair. I wouldn't even do that to my enemy--that's how bad these discs are.
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jwat
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1. April 2006 @ 06:09 |
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Thanks very much.Sounds like an easy fix. jwat
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JoeRyan
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3. April 2006 @ 07:01 |
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You didn't mention your drive or firmware. The easy "fix" is to use a compatible disc, and TY and Verbatim are the most compatible. The "fix" may also be a firmware update.
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3. April 2006 @ 07:43 |
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Quote:
Any guesses why I cant burn movies from DVDShrink
I don't think that DVDShrink will burn movies to any brand of DVD media, now Nero or decrypter or imgburn, on the other hand...
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3. April 2006 @ 12:55 |
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If all firmware was written to explicitly refuse to burn Memorex, the world would be a better place.
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JoeRyan
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4. April 2006 @ 04:53 |
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That's illogical. If firmware were designed to burn Memorex discs (CMC, Ritek) and not Taiyo Yuden, you would claim TY discs are poor quality and encourage everyone to avoid them; and others who had success with them would be shouted down in some forum as "fools" who don't listen. Still others would be defending TY as a good disc lacking firmware support. Disc quality is one issue; compatibility is another issue altogether. Scans are not proof of quality; they only tell you how a drive behaves trying to read a disc recorded on that drive or some other drive. The scan tells you nothing about the quality of the disc unless you can correlate a specific error spike with a physical flaw or unless other discs with the same MID code under identical conditions behave very differently.
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4. April 2006 @ 11:02 |
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not knocking you Joe or calling you a fool (far from it plus i'm always intrigued why there are ppl who do have good stuff to say about CMC discs) i just can't help but wonder how and why the supposed biggest supplier of discs in the world has supposedly the least amount of compatibility in firmware. i do lurk at cdfreaks forums as some of those guys seem to love CMC, nothing wrong with other ppl having different opinions, it's just we on these forums are about getting ppl up and burning with the least hassle, whereas they at cdfreaks like to do quality scans on discs like it's going out of fashion :)
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4. April 2006 @ 11:40 |
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@creaky
took the words out of my mouth.... :)
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4. April 2006 @ 11:47 |
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[If all firmware was written to explicitly refuse to burn Memorex, the world would be a better place.].........I think this was meant to be a joke..A LOL kinda thing.....
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JoeRyan
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4. April 2006 @ 16:28 |
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A good part of the reason is politics. Ritek is associated with Ricoh and makes RICOHJPN discs and has its technical head as a chairman of an important DVD Forum committee. CMC does not. Taiyo Yuden holds a lot of critical patents on optical recording; MCC (MKK) developed the DL disc and is a major supplier of dye to the industry. For those two reasons alone they are important players in the market, and every Japanese drive supports TY and Verbatim. (If you don't think politics is important, note that Panasonic recorders refused to play DVD+R/RW discs until recently unless one tricked them by resetting the bit identifier to "DVD-ROM" because the DVD+RW Alliance split from the DVD Forum when it refused to accept DVD-RAM as the de facto rewritable standard. Panasonic even refused to record to DVD-RW discs because "DVD-RAM is the 'official' standard for rewritable DVD." Not until HP enabled the Lite-On drives to incorporate DVD-RAM in the new super-multi drives did Panasonic allow DVD+ discs to play in all its recorders and players. HP is one of the founding members of the DVD+RW Alliance.)
CMC makes Verbatim discs using MCC dye. In fact, CMC uses TDK and MCC dye in its own discs instead of the cheaper but less reliable OrgChem dye made in Taiwan. The same production lines, the same people, the same materials, and the same process is used for both CMC MAG discs as well as MCC discs. One difference is that B-grade lots CMC produces under its own codes do get sold off to no-name brands, and this may be a mistake in the long run. The chief difference between CMC and MCC production in the CMC factories is the MID codes and the packaging. One other factor is the mentality of some hardware manufacturers who are unaware of markets outside Japan. The Funai/Emerson/Sharp problem that had DVD-R/VHS combo units stuck at 4X for DVD-R discs when the entire US market had already moved to 8X DVD-R discs had a lot of Wal-mart and Best Buy customers upset that they could not get any discs that worked on these machines that were already obsolete on the store shelves. Funai's answer: "Every store in Japan sells 4X discs. What's the problem?"
The Taiwanese media manufacturers are frustrated at getting blocked by drive manufacturers, and there are suggestions that future drives use a different system of determining optical power settings that relies on a universal number system instead of MID codes. With BenQ producing Plextor drives and Sony/NEC/Lite-On cooperating on drive production in the future, things may change.
You are right about TY and Verbatim providing the least hassle for users, and their media are superb in addition to being compatible. No one will go wrong buying either disc unless the discs' rated speed move up a notch beyond the firmware support. What bothers me is the insistence on this forum that CMC/Imation/Memorex media are poor quality from a factory that does not know what it is doing, and anyone who has a drive that records well to those media is an idiot or a liar who does not deserve to be heard. There are many people who never have problems with those discs. There are plenty of websites that find nothing wrong with them. And there are plenty of people who do have problems with them (and even with TY or Verbatim if I check all the postings on this site.) TY and Verbatim do not need to have their qualities enhanced by tearing down every other disc. They can stand on their own. Firmware updates will solve a lot of the problems people have with media that don't work--and they often improve the writing quality on the best ones. I guess I'd just like to see a sense of perspective rather than a simple dismissal of "those suck 'cause they didn't work for me."
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4. April 2006 @ 23:04 |
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as part of the 1000's of logfiles we get here, firmware is recommended by us to be updated, even if the firmware is current enough to recognise the discs used in that particular situation/logfile (but not up to date) , but what bothers me is that even when ppl do follow the advice about updating their firmware, they still have problems. For the average joe on the street who posts here and wants to just get burning again, we analyse their logfiles and just comment on what we see, it's no bias against CMC et al. we update the settings for that poster until all is correct then most times it's the media that is sat there looking guilty. What i will say is that we are doing no-one a disservice by then turning our noses up at the media and steering them to use proven decent media (which costs no more than more troublesome media) and getting them burning again (the reason they post here).
Of course there are ppl who have success with this sort of media but the average joe on the street doesn't know or care about the intricacies of discs/dye/firmware/etc and just want stuff to work. that's what we help them do, in simple terms anyway, not all of us find the need to tweak settings in firmware such as write strats etc, not everyone (including some of us) wants to jump thru hoops just to burn and burn consistently :)
(even most of us regulars don't want to waste time and money on stuff that's inconsistent, whatever the real reason behind the inconsistencies; but don't forget that we always recommend firmware is updated to the latest available firmware and ppl still have problems; if those same posters come back with problems then fine we look at it again but most times they go away with good results and armed at least with a bit of burning know-how to boot)
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JoeRyan
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5. April 2006 @ 08:09 |
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That's a commendable policy, creaky. A firmware update will not solve an incompatibility problem if the write strategy for a particular disc is not added--even the latest update may not resolve a problem until the MID code is added to the firmware table. Now that DVD+/-R media have reached 16X and rewritable are getting to 3.3X to 12X, we may see the end of new codes being added all the time. Pioneer DVR-110 with firmware 1.39 is a bit scary--that's 38 updates that the engineers have written.
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