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Maximum Burn Speed for dvdr
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darthya
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1. April 2006 @ 20:24 |
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I have a nec 16x dual L burner and i am using memorex 16x dvdr disks. i have copied dvd's to this medium but when i try to copy the copy i get crc cyclic redundancy errors and usin all dvd programs. i tried dvd shrink, fabdvd, anydvd, clonedvd2, dvdxcopy. you name it. when copying my copies i get a lot of errors ripping the disk. and the disk has already had the copyprotection removed! I was told that the max burn speed you should use is 4x. any help? comments? sugeestions?
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1. April 2006 @ 22:59 |
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i am using memorex 16x DVDR disks
Unfortunately you have chosen to use possibly the worst Discs there are, these are crap and cause untold problems due to the inconsistency in their manufacture.
Try using good quality discs such as Verbatim, Taiyo yuden or Sony that are made in japan.
Burn at 4X.
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andmerr
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2. April 2006 @ 01:08 |
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sorry gwen but you are slightly wrong, memorex discs do work but it looks like in this case they wont for you.
What was the 1st program you burnt your disc with and then what program did you use to try to make a backup with.
I do believe that if the disc was initially made with xcopy software that you may not be able to copy it easily
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2. April 2006 @ 01:37 |
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@andmerr,
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sorry gwen but you are slightly wrong, memorex discs do work
Am I missing something here, does Memorex have a new manufacturer other than CMC Mag that are finally putting out respectable discs.
I learned from this forum that they were poor quality and to be avoided like the plague, so I am baffled by this statement. Cheers
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andmerr
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2. April 2006 @ 01:39 |
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no you are right but you cant honestly say that memorex fail for every one as thats not true.It fails for most people but there are a few people who actually have successes with it, admittedly that is few but its still a result of sorts..............
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2. April 2006 @ 02:14 |
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when i try to copy the copy i get crc cyclic redundancy errors
In this case I would think that the cause of the problem is a poor choice of media for the first backup....darthya also states that the backup was made with the burn speed not exceeding 4X. It would be nice to know all of the programs used for these processes as andmerr requests.
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darthya
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2. April 2006 @ 04:39 |
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i tried them all. first program was probably clonedvd2. all were burned at 16x. now im not saying that the firsts dont work. they work fine they just can not be copied. thanx
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2. April 2006 @ 07:56 |
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all were burned at 16x.
This coupled with the brand (memorex???) may leave you with an uncopyable disc. Have you tried ripping to HDD first using DVD Decrypter?
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darthya
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2. April 2006 @ 08:46 |
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well last night i burned a few usind shrink and decrypter at 4x and 8x speeds. im gonna try and copy them and see if the changes in burn speeds have helped the issue.
afterdawn is awesome!
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2. April 2006 @ 09:37 |
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afterdawn is awesome!
Amen....good luck.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 3. April 2006 @ 02:41
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2. April 2006 @ 10:41 |
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as someone who used Memosux in the beginning of my DVD burning experience I can tell you that I have about 90 backups on Mems that manufacturers ID is RICOHJPN which is better than CMC crappolla! but that being said I found that copying a copy is harder if the burn speeds of the originals are set too high..... so I agree with Holygrail. I would never use Memosux again since my perfect record with Taiyo Yuden disk endure! To make copies of copies I use Nero or VSO's Blindwrite 5. I don't recommend burning on the fly even with ones that are already copied! That's the quickest way to get a Coaster. Either use DVDDecrypter to make copy on Hard Drive then burn with your Fav program or use the ones I just mentioned (Nero, BlindWrite5). So far it's never failed me, except .... isn't there always an EXCEPTION...... when I was a newbie learning things..... now it's like second nature because I use what works for me and what I am comptable with. I don't try to fix what's not broken!
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andmerr
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2. April 2006 @ 11:14 |
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i think this isnt the main issue, admittedly media does play a part as well as you burning at a higher speed with out durable discs but thats cosmetic.How about you give us your pc stats, a log file from Nero, is your AnyDVD the latest version?
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2. April 2006 @ 14:00 |
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@andmerr..... I don't think it's cosmetic to use good media! And Darthya didn't mention using Nero, so no log entries to look at. but computer specs, and up-to-date programs are important.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 22:33 |
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The one thing everyone here neglected to suggest was doing a read scan of the copies that are being used as a source. If darthya doesn't have Nero or another program with the utility to do a scan, then DVDInfoPro (free) can be used. http://www.dvdinfopro.com/ If a bunch of bad sectors appear in the read scan then copying is a no go.
I had a batch of Memorex/CMC that gave me a higher Coaster rate than they should have. Most of my other spindles gave a 0 failure rate. I was having some software problems at the time, so I can't blame all the failures on the Memorex. The ones I got recorded are still playing nearly 2 years later. There's just too much good media to revisit media that's considered 2nd or 3rd rate.
Out of the copies I've tried to make a copy of, I've only run into one that had errors and wouldn't record. It played perfect, but something had happened during the recording that caused bad sectors in a fixed pattern. It was on good media, so media wasn't a problem. I redid the backup from the original and the backup had no errors and could be copied. A bunch of copies with errors would indicate a problem with the burning technique or the media used, or possibly both. The DVDInfopro I mentioned comes in handy for doing read scans to help find where the problem is. Start off doing the burns at a reasonable speed of 4X to 6X. Then gradually speed up if you feel the need, but do an occasional scan and keep an eye peeled for speed induced errors. A lot of people have claimed success with Memorex/CMC at lower speeds when they had burn problems at higher speeds.
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brobear
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2. April 2006 @ 22:43 |
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As for Memosux, that's a name that has developed from a lot of hearsay. I'm not saying it's not appropriate. There's many more people repeating what they've heard than what they've actually experienced. The repetition has gone so far, it's difficult to know how many people actually had problems. As I said, I used Memorex/CMC, but it was under circumstances where I can't point directly to the media as the source of my problems. I wonder how many times that's happened as well and the media got blamed. Passing the rumor has gotten so pervasive I'm starting to wonder about it. CMC manufactures media for other companies besides Memorex. I don't hear anyone complaining as much about those. Though I must say that Memorex appears to sell more of the CMC than others.
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3. April 2006 @ 03:22 |
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but I must admit, Brobear, that when I changed media most of my problems disappeared! You've got to admit that Memorex was and is so easily availability in the stores and most new DVD burning experiences are from Memorex. At least in my case, and I'm sure many others out there, too! I had Memorex with RICOHJPN as well as CMC MAGS and the CMC caused more trouble than what it's worth! I also sweared by using DVDXCopy as the best software out there, because I didn't know any better and didn't have any other program being new to the process of backups! But once I joined here I found why media is so important and why DVDXcopy isn't all that I was holding it up to on that pedistal! I started using better media first..... and problems seemed to subside till DVDXcopy stopped updating! Then with the guidance of AfterDawn I learned new programs with plenty of help and now it's just academic and easier to do what I want to do! I have choices...... and I choose never to use Memosux again because of it's bad rating and Coaster occurance from my experiences with CMC MAGS and Memorex! I'll use those RICOHJPN Memorex disks..... they were fine! but not CMCs!~ just my experience and my opinion! I was tired of buying spindles of Memorex and throwing more than half of them away, Coaster after Coaster! And I don't care if it was DVDXcopy doing the bad writing on it! I used DVDXcopy using Maxell and they worked just fine!~
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brobear
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3. April 2006 @ 08:03 |
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IHoe
And DVDXCopy, which was very prone to interference from other apps and would sometimes act up for no apparent reason, other than it got tired of it's environment, caused coasters with the best of media. That said, I'm not taking up for Memorex/CMC. Like you I've used the Memorex/Ricohjpn with great success and Ricohjpn still manufactures media for the better brands on the market, it's also available under the Ricoh brand. For those Verbatim fans, you'd best check your media, CMC manufactures some of that. Besides Verbatim and Memorex, there's Imation, Philips, Samsung, Speer Data, Nashua, Sunstar, and Sky Pro that CMC has manufactured for in the past. VerbatiSux just isn't that catchy, Samsux might catch on, unless a lot of Sams complain. ;)
You've had a legitimate experience with the media, but like the one I had, it isn't conclusive. Like I said before, I'm not running out to buy any, there's better to be had. I suspect you harbor the same doubts from what you said here. If you want to join the group with Memosux, that's your call, you actually used some. The problem is, there's someone out there complaining about any given brand. Memosux just has such a catchy name. Too many people have used Memosux as a call with no experience using the media at all. The "they say" has gotten to where it is just so much repetition.
The CMC is usually rated as a 2nd to 3rd rate media, so I'm not saying to run out and buy a spindle. I don't see it as being the source of all problems though. There's a lot of people who have used it successfully and Memorex is still doing a booming business in the stores. I wonder how far the Memosux campaign would have gone had some of the more colorful forum members not gotten on the Memosux bandwagon. Since I've not touched a CMC disc in well over a year, close to 2, I have no idea if they've improved their quality or not and with the Memosux campaign being nearly as old, I'm not likely to find out any time soon. Anybody volunteering to buy a batch to see if they've improved? ;) I'm tempted to buy a pack, but with my luck, Memorex would have started using good media again. LOL
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3. April 2006 @ 08:54 |
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BroBear..... I hear ya! I know and you know...... I don't like "hear say" evidence either! I speak from experience! And like I said before I used two whammies and come out coasters (using Memorex(sux) with DVDXcopy!) Sooooooo with that being said I never had to look back once I started buying better media and using better programming! Memorex - Memosux...... it all means CMC sux! I don't go by "someone said that they use Memorex with success!" I say... if it ainte broke don't fix it and use what's good for you! For me, it's Taiyo Yuden, DVDDecrypter(FABDecrypter), DVDRemake, DVDREbuilder Pro/CCE and all the VSO's I want because of my gold membership! I used to use DVDFAb Plat...... but not anymore! I enjoy DVD-RB too much, and burn with IMGBurn. I don't go wrong with those babies! And I hope I didn't step on your toes on any of this cause I resepect and have taken many advise from you for a longggggggggggggg time now! I just commented on my experience with MEMOSUX! Again..... just my opinion from my experience with them!
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brobear
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3. April 2006 @ 10:24 |
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You didn't step on my toes. Most of what we said was in agreement. We even agree on the issue of hearsay in making recommendations. If a problem points to media, and Memorex/CMC is in use, then the statement that it has been known to cause problems might be in order, but just saying that right off the bat without experience is pushing things. We're even using much of the same software and media nowadays, RB/CCE and TY. I use Nero to burn though. I have ImgBurn and DVD Decrypter, but the way I do things (batch processing), I find it just as easy or easier to do the separate burns with Nero Express. With your VSO, the right click menu would make it especially easy to use CopyToDVD for burning separate projects. For the single movie projects with RB, it's hard to beat the auto burn with a supported burner.
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4. April 2006 @ 05:30 |
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I am using the auto burn of RB to IMGBurn, it's easy and automatic! But when I do batch processing I use CopyToDVD! I love RB and it's all I use now! It's the best!
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brobear
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4. April 2006 @ 06:39 |
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LOL I see we have no problem agreeing on RB. ;)
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4. April 2006 @ 09:06 |
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well you got that right, buddy!!!! LOL :-D
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Negibozu
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4. April 2006 @ 09:55 |
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I use memorex, and all kind of cheap media. 16x/8x burning and never have a problem. I honestly think it's more of the drive than the media.
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brobear
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4. April 2006 @ 11:05 |
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LOL Could be something to that. Since there are good and bad drives and good and bad media, when you put double bad together, the user has gotten the double whammy.
As for using a lot of cheap media, cheap doesn't always equal poor quality. However it appears as though you're pushing your luck. Sounds like you've been lucky because there are discs out there that cause recording problems all on their own. Before you feel the need to add it, there's drives that will do the same.
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darthya
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4. April 2006 @ 17:03 |
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Hey everyone! Musta been a good question?!? Anyways I thank all for the responses. I have ripped and burned a disk. when burning i used the same "memosux" i believe someone said. i burned a 4x, 8x, 16x, and max which says 13.5x, copy. i will now see which of these copies can be successfully ripped and copied. Granted a varible is the fact that with media it may just be that the only good burn was on a copy that was done with poor media and now i can not even copy any of them. I will post my preliminary findings. i used the latest versions of DvdFabDecrypter, DvdShrink, and DvdDecrypter, in that order.
Caio!
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