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TDK -R 16x: Slow?
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neos
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8. April 2006 @ 09:56 |
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I bought some TDK -R 16x at Costco thinking that I got a good deal on some fast media. But when I try to burn them with CopytoDVD, I can never get the speed up past 8x. I've used both the Sony DRU-820A and the HP 740i with the same results: A 4.37GB DVD burn always takes at least 10 minutes.
Does the burning software affect the speed? If so, what software is recommended? Or are the TDK's just not very fast?
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8. April 2006 @ 11:38 |
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@neos
Make sure your drive(s) firmware is up to date. This helps with read/write strategies of media. Your drive and how it recognizes the media will affect the burn speed - though some programs will allow you to override this.
Just my 2cents - but for those TDK's I would stick at burning them at 8x. 10 minutes it's really that long :)
Editted to add: you can also run one of those discs thru DVD Identifier and see what speeds it gives.
http://dvd.identifier.cdfreaks.com/
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8. April 2006 @ 12:30 |
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TDK is not regarded as being high quality media. I recommend purchasing Verbatim or Taiyo Yudens. They will last longer then TDK, Memorex, or other questionable media.
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81chris
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8. April 2006 @ 14:33 |
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Return them. They suck. I returned mine.
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8. April 2006 @ 15:09 |
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well...... not to pop anyones bubble..... but TDK can make good quality media......check out this guide: http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
used DVDIdentifier and check out the manufacturers ID on those TDKs! Binkie already gave you the link to download the free software!
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81chris
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8. April 2006 @ 20:19 |
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They are most likely TTH02. Which I'm in the process of re-backing up right now. Go get your money back.
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neos
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8. April 2006 @ 20:56 |
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They are TTH02. But the Digital FAQ considers them 1st Class Media, and I've never had any coasters with them.
What I want to know is why I can't get anywhere close to 16x when I burn them. I'm happy with the results I'm getting with CopyToDVD, but is there another burning software I should be using instead in order to get better results?
Do the 16x Verbatims actually burn at 16x?
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8. April 2006 @ 21:30 |
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@neos
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But the Digital FAQ considers them 1st Class Media,
and that accounts for what?/?? digitalfaq is so outdated and their recommendations about media is "avg" at best...use digitalfaq as a "guideline", it's def. not something to believe as if it's OPINIONS are engraved in stone... :)
what if i told you MY opinion of TDK's own media is 3rd class media, you probably wouldn't believe me now would you since i don't have a "website" that people refer to frequently to judge their media quality on...don't believe everything you read on the net buddy...every website has their OWN OPINIONS, not fact, on media~ :)
as to burning your TDK's "faster"...i'm thinking maybe the firmware you got on your sony dru-820a isn't as "up to date" as you might believe it to be...perhaps the MID tables on your firmware will only allow you to burn at specified speeds on the TTH02 MID coded discs...could be quite a few factors...also, as biased as MY OPINION of TDK media is (their own manufactured kind, not the possible TYs available under the TDK brand name), i PERSONALLY find the Verbatim 16x rated media to be better supported by more drive manufacturer's firmware...there is a good chance you will be able to burn faster, if that is your intent, by using Verbatim 16x rated ones over the TDKs...it basically comes down to your firmware MID tables...
docTy~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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9. April 2006 @ 13:18 |
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hi :)
i have to agree with 'kivory666'
i've been trying to tell people for quite a while that DigitalFAQ is an out of date dinosaur that needs to be retired
it really p*sses me of that we have a site every bit as powerfull as cdfreaks, yet members still refer to them all the time as if they were gods
well there not, so come on guy's/ gal's, lets take more notice of the expertice of our own very knowledgeable members
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81chris
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9. April 2006 @ 13:34 |
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If you scroll down on the digitalfaq site under FAKES you'll TTH02 as well. They said the media is "quite poor".
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9. April 2006 @ 16:23 |
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@neos,You have the latest Sony 820 internal DL 16X 8.5GB burner (Nice piece of equipment) I have the two previous models 3 SONY burners all together that include an external DRX-810UL. There should be no need to update your firmware, I've never had to update any of my optical drives. Your burner should default to 16x actually. If not try placing your blank media into your drive before initializing the burn or back up process. By doing this NERO which came with your drive will provide an extended drop down that will include 16x as a speed option.
Use the dropped down to choose 16x speed. Loose the TDK media it's trash. TDK like many other cheap easy to find media does not claim on there packaging that there DVD media product is any better than average. Average media, MEMOREX,TDK,IMATION,FUJI sad to say is usually poor quality media. Notice Verbatim as well as Sony which are not hard to find make a claim found right on their DVD disc media packaging, to better than average quality media. Which I know from experience is true with regards to burn quality and consistent play back ability.
Both Verbatim and SONY are very reliable where the other poor quality media tend to skip and freeze. I've tried TDK personally, again it's trash. If you try SAM's CLUB they have 100pk spindles 8x -R Verbatim DVD disc for just $29.99 (Everyday Low Price):P
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10. April 2006 @ 04:45 |
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ok..... I want to respond to Kivory666 and Gurnard about DigitalFAQs Media Guide. I want to make sure that everyone knows that I totally respect and revere both Kivory and Gurnard and always follow their advise as they are both wise and more worthy than I in regards to experience here in AfterDAwn! With that said I emailed DigitalFAQ about their media guide because some members here, not only Kivory and Gurnard, regard their media guide as out dated and Quote:
needs to be retired
I just don't see any other media guide out there that even comes close to what DigitalFAQ puts out, even if it hasn't been updated since last year! so here is the email I sent and their response:
I love your media guide but don't you think it's time to update it a little? There are plenty of members from AfterDawn that say your media guide is very outdated and should be retired.... when will it be updated? even the Nero pictures are not updated to the newer version and it's speed tests or scan disks are out dated! what's happening with your guide?
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The single-page guide will be expanded into something encompassing about 5 pages, with the old page serving as summary and index. As far as anything being "outdated" (in terms of the media ID rankings, at least), not really.
But there is a lot more that needs to be said, regarding DL media, 16x SL media, testing procedures, media degradation (or rather lack thereof), code outsourcing, and some other advanced topics for some advanced sections. And I do plan to include screenshots and info on new and upgraded software from the past year or so since I wrote the core of the guide (non-ranking info).
Look for that in May.
As far as afterdawn members, most people burn 100 discs (or less, in many
cases) and think they know everything, when in reality, they know next to nothing about optical media. Members of forums are of little concern to me, they dabble in misinformation, rumor and inuendo (weekend 'net warriors) more than anything else. Those people tend to blow with the wind, and listen to company marketing with waiting ears. I've seen that for years. For example, one year they all swear Ritek is the best media ever made, and the next they all claim Ritek is the worst media ever made. In reality, it's always been mid-grade media.
-K
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10. April 2006 @ 05:25 |
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@Ihoe
hehe, well, i don't blame ya for contacting the source of it all :) but, unfortunately, this is the part that in fact is an "assumption" by "K" that does not apply to me
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As far as afterdawn members, most people burn 100 discs (or less, in many
cases) and think they know everything, when in reality, they know next to nothing about optical media. Members of forums are of little concern to me, they dabble in misinformation, rumor and inuendo (weekend 'net warriors) more than anything else. Those people tend to blow with the wind, and listen to company marketing with waiting ears. I've seen that for years. For example, one year they all swear Ritek is the best media ever made, and the next they all claim Ritek is the worst media ever made. In reality, it's always been mid-grade media.
100 burns or less in many cases, TRUE, but i've done 100 burns on ONE particular media type/brand/manufacturer in a week! moving on...
members of forums knowing next to nothing about optical media: while again, TRUE for the most part, but i will go out on a limb to say i probably have JUST AS MUCH experience as the author of digitalfaq in regards to media (perhaps not as many different brands/manufacturers that he has access to but i do not), but in terms of sheer NUMBER of discs burned (not a "test batch of 10-25," but sheer number of burns with my limited 8 brands/models of burners that I personally own...) :) moving on again...
as to members of forums being of little to no concern to him, hey, that's HIS perogative to belittle the hundreds if not thousands of members here at AfterDawn who are genuinely interested about learning about media and to be able to DIFFERENTIATE the good from the bad ON THEIR OWN, for PERSONAL burning needs at home. do you see ME insulting anyone based on their OPINIONS of whichever media? once again, NO...i don't belittle ANYONE for their preferences or opinions on media, while this guy CLAIMS TO KNOW EVERYTHING about optical media himself and puts down everyone else that seems to DISAGREE with his "test" findings and his OPINION of media that HE places in his "ranking system" :) moving on again...
finally, to touch upon his comment regarding Ritek media (as an example)...i know for MYSELF that last year i raved on about Ritek media (namely the 8x DVD-R RitekG05s non-printables) because FOR ME after 500+ successful burns on them 2 years ago no less, they STILL playback fine today...i do in fact know about Ritek's decline in quality control over the past year and recently being more pronounced in the inkjet-printable flavor of the RitekG05s, but that doesn't lead me to tell everyone that Ritek sucks...the author of digitalfaq, based on what i am reading in his response, is the one who thinks so highly of himself and his work to negate the FACT that his website, along with so many others out there, are simply THE OWNER/ADMIN's OPINION on optical media after their "tests" are done...yes, i admit they try to be as unbiased as they can about the test procedures/settings, but that is the extent of the info they put on their website.
anyways, if you look at ANY of my posts within the last year or so regarding my OPINION of digitalfaq's site, i've always told members here to use it as a "guideline", nothing more, nothing less...i've never stated that the digitalfaq site was BAD for the avg. person to start learning about media, i've only stated the obvious (to which you agree too in ur email to them) that it is in FACT, outdated~ :)
was i ever attacking the knowledge/integrity of the owner? did i ever say he "knows nothing about optical media?" most definitely NOT!
but i will finalize in saying, HE DOES NOT KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT OPTICAL MEDIA HIMSELF, i never claimed to be a 'media expert,' but digitalfaq "K" response to you implies that HE IS~ and that everyone else's opinion on media is worthless and have no bearing to HIS opinion because he is "too good" for everyone else...
i know you are not attacking me personally IHoe, but just because my OPINION of media and his "ranking system" do not line up with digitalfaq's, that does not make him anymore "correct" than me~ :)
bottom line: i PREFER Taiyo Yudens (and it seems like YOU are very fond of them too) and suggest it to others here at AfterDawn because i have thousands of flawless burns using them...there are other "brands" or manufacturers that i consider high quality media as well, but just because i don't agree with digitalfaq's "ranking" of TDK's own media, that makes him "right" and me "wrong?" i don't think so...he has every right to HIS OPINION, as i do mine; just because he has a website to "spread his OPINION" doesn't make it any more viable/competent than my own assessment of media~ :)
if you want to put digitalfaq up in such high esteem after receiving the reply that you did in an email, that is up to you...but, mind you, his put-downs that were worded in such a way to be "all-inclusive" DOES include YOU too, it seems he doesn't care what anyone else thinks, it's only HIS OWN opinions that mean anything and "count" on the web...
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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10. April 2006 @ 07:07 |
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@ IHoe hi :)
thanks for the complement (got a swelled head now)
i must stick to what i have said however
i have burned several thousand Ritek and many 100's of Verbatim and i hope that the ppl that have tried them on my reccommendation are happy.(which in turn makes me happy)
the most important thing i was trying to get across was regardless of the e'mail reply (which i'm not going to comment on) is that we do have some of the most experienced ppl around for the sheer volume of burns per person, which in turn equals media knowledge
so i'll say it again, lets listen to our very own guru's. there the best
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10. April 2006 @ 10:00 |
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hey...... I would never attack you, Kivory666 or Gurnard, as you are my teachers! I emailed them to get a response and I forwarded to eveyone here and I even asked for more opinions in Safety Valve on this same subject so everyone can respond and see what's out there, and in everone's mind, too! I didn't do this to get you mad at me, but for information. I reported the response back to EVERYONE. I just wanted to clear things and to get a better guide out of it! I don't agree with what "K" said about us at AfterDawn and I don't like anyone putting anyone in ONE CATAGORY group! Sounds like discrimination to me, BUT , THAT'S "K's" OPINION..... NOT MINE!
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10. April 2006 @ 10:03 |
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as i just mentioned in the otehr thread, there was a thread some months back re an email chain with "K" and it entailed in the same sort of 'responses' from "K" back then too.
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10. April 2006 @ 10:28 |
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Just to show how 'up with the times' digitalfaq really is, all you need to look at is what media they have listed as #1 ... Pioneer PVC .. It USED to be great stuff .. Of course when it was available, the +R format hadn't even been released yet .. I haven't even seen PVC media in over 5 years ...
And .. as far as only basing my media observations on 100 or so burns ... ha ha ha ... I passed the 10,000 mark at least a year ago ...
Of course, you need to understand that digitalfaq (as well as many other sites) base their media quality ratings on advertising dollars received ...
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10. April 2006 @ 11:11 |
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@ IHoe hi :)
have no fear buddy, i didn't think for a moment you were haveing a go at me or the "DOC", and if my reply appeared to say anything untoward against your self, that was not my intent.
i have too high a regard for all who help here on AD (that includes your good self) to disrespect their opinion
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10. April 2006 @ 18:34 |
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@Ihoe
i too want to make things clear that my response/outburst was NOT directed at you either, if my response was poorly worded in a way that made it seem like a "personal" flame in your direction, for that i apologize... :)
i sincerely respect your quest for knowledge and to be always "looking for something better" is very commendable...i am trying to "search" for a better guide out there myself, and will let EVERYONE know, as you have done here and the safety valve, if i do come across one...
with that said, unless i have the time in the near future to compile a more "recent" list MYSELF, i guess most of us will have to just "use what he have" at the current time~ :)
much like catfreak, i have surpassed the 10,000 mark in burning, while i admit most of it is on Taiyo Yuden media, i have a whole slew of other manufacturers/brands that i've used in the past dating past 2+ years...for the time being, i agree with you that there is no "more comprehensive" list out there than digitalfaq, despite it's being "not up to date" in it's ranking system as well as it's media ID coding/manufacturers list...so credit is given to where it is due.
anyways, no hard feelings as you are truly "bringing to light" a website to the good people of AfterDawn, you wanted opinions/suggestions, ask and ye shall receive~ :)
have a good one
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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