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moon landings..?
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20inchceo
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12. April 2006 @ 08:00 |
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Faked.
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12. April 2006 @ 08:02 |
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How was the picture of Armstrong climbing down the ladder taken from a distance and behind him if he was the first to walk on the moon, or did he go down earlier and plant a camera?
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12. April 2006 @ 08:22 |
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Maybe a camera was suspended from the ship, hung down below.
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12. April 2006 @ 08:29 |
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Are you saying Pink Floyd wasn't there, in the dark side???
Chuck
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MartMart
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12. April 2006 @ 08:41 |
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rocky999
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12. April 2006 @ 08:45 |
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The lunar module had a "drawer" like thing that opened after they landed. The camera was inside that drawer. That's why the view is from behind the ladder looking out away from the ship.
I think the Chinese or somebody is planning on landing on the moon in next few years. If so, maybe they will confirm the U.S. landing sights!
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12. April 2006 @ 08:52 |
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And the pictures of the far side of the Moon are faked too, since it's never visible from Earth?
I think maybe BRIE!
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ddp
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12. April 2006 @ 08:54 |
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is real if seen by orbiting space craft both manned & unmanned.
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12. April 2006 @ 09:01 |
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Really how can anyone seriously doubt that we went to the moon and back. The earth rising above the lunar horizon was spectacular. You can't take that pix from earth. It would be hard to fake since the time it was taken is known, and the respective positions of the two bodies, their faces and stars could be used to authenticate.
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12. April 2006 @ 09:12 |
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I think it was real, its out of order that people have tainted their achievments and triumph.
Why would they want to fake such a thing anyway? tThey arent gaining anything. i mean, people have been their since havnt they?
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12. April 2006 @ 11:45 |
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I agree. And there is scientific evidence to support that it's made of cheese. The big Pink had to be there anyhow...
Chuck
"Men are slower to recognize blessings than misfortunes." Titus Livius (59BC-17AD)
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12. April 2006 @ 11:50 |
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Has noone seen wallace and gromit?
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12. April 2006 @ 12:25 |
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i have :)
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12. April 2006 @ 14:33 |
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HAHA!! that actually proves the moon is cheese :P:P:P haha!! !and indeed, the type of cheese the moon is made of is....Swiss. muahaa....i was thinking blue cheese by the colour of it fro mhere on earth.....but now i check moon.google.com it is...yellow cheese!! wich means i cannot be swiss! so what kind is it??......it is still a mystery to the greatest cheese experts, me and Snausagez. LOL
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12. April 2006 @ 15:54 |
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ok, enough with the cheese guys
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12. April 2006 @ 16:58 |
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hay ye all dang it, quit green cheesing ACDC_3101,that?s all the cheesing he can take.
but i feel he needs a piece of green cheese so he can get a ,feel and taste of the moon...
to prove faked or not faked that
the moon is made out of green cheese.with blue cheese stars as a back ground...
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12. April 2006 @ 18:22 |
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Pres. Bush announced awhile go plans for setting up a permanent moon base in 2015
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12. April 2006 @ 18:39 |
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won't be no 2015 if they can't get the space station built on time!
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12. April 2006 @ 19:34 |
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Russian Aerospace Firm Aims for Moon Exploration
By Vladimir Isachenkov
Associated Press Writer
posted: 12 April 2006
11:30 a.m. ET
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MOSCOW (AP) ? Russia's leading space company on Tuesday laid out an ambitious plan to send manned missions to the moon by 2015, build a permanent base to tap its energy resources and dispatch a crew to Mars between 2020-2030.
The program presented by Nikolai Sevastyanov, the head of state-controlled RKK Energiya, relies on hopes of attracting private investment, but the lack of government support calls its feasibility into question.
?We believe that we can fly a manned mission landing on the moon before 2015 funded by sources outside the state budget,'' Sevastyanov said at a news conference.
Russian government officials have spoken vaguely in support of future moon and Mars missions, but have made no specific commitments.
In January 2004, U.S. President George W. Bush outlined a plan for NASA to send astronauts back to the moon by 2020 and then on to Mars and beyond.
Sevastyanov said that Energiya, the manufacturer of Soyuz and Progress spacecraft that ferry crew and supplies to the International Space Station, would rely on those ships during the first phase of its moon exploration program.
The company will first offer a commercial trip around the moon in a Soyuz that could be made around 2009, Sevastyanov said. He added that his company already has talked to foreign investors interested in the project, but refused to give any names or specifics.
?The use of the existing rockets will help reduce the program's costs and lower risks,'' Sevastyanov said.
During the next stage, Energiya plans to employ a reusable now under development, the Clipper.
The Clipper, which will have six seats compared to Soyuz's three, would be capable of delivering crews to the international space station and also become the basis for future moon missions.
Sevastyanov said it would cost around US$1.5 billion (euro1.24 billion) to complete research and build a fleet of five Clipper spacecraft. Energiya so far has relied on its own funds while conducting preliminary design work on the ship; the government has not yet awarded a contract for the new spacecraft to Energiya.
Sevastyanov said that the Clipper could be commissioned between 2012-2015.
He said that Energiya had offered the European Space Agency a place in the project and that the negotiations were continuing.
During the second stage of the moon program, Energiya plans to fly six manned missions to the moon estimated to cost around US$2 billion (euro1.65 billion), Sevastyanov said.
Finally, Energiya hopes to set up a permanent moon base complete with a nuclear power plant and equipment to start tapping helium-3 as an energy source to satisfy the energy demands back on Earth around 2020.
Scientists believe that the moon's supply of helium-3 could be used in futuristic fusion reactors on Earth that would generate electricity without producing nuclear waste.
Sevastyanov said that a moon exploration program envisaging the delivery of 10 tons of helium to Earth would cost about US$40 billion (euro33 billion).
A mission to Mars could be launched between 2020 and 2030, Sevastyanov said.
?Our expertise in long-term space missions makes us confident that we can ensure life support for a manned mission to Mars,'' Russian Mission Control chief Vladimir Solovyov said.
Energiya's ambitious plans contrast sharply with the post-Soviet meltdown of once-glorious space program that launched the first satellite in 1957 and made Yuri Gagarin the first man in space on April 12, 1961.
A flow of petrodollars that flooded Russian state coffers over the last few years already has led to an increase in military spending, and space officials hoped to get a share of the nation's oil wealth.
But despite the recent fund increases, Russia's space budget stood at around 18.3 billion rubles (about US$660 million; euro545 million) last year compared to NASA's budget of US$16.5 billion (euro13.6 billion).
Some skeptics say that even if the Russian government increases spending on space, the Russian industries weakened by post-Soviet economic meltdown could be unable to fulfill ambitious plans.
?As long as the Russian economy continues to rely on raw materials, programs like conquering the moon and Mars can't be implemented,'' said Boris Chertok, one of the fathers of the Soviet space program who designed control system for Gagarin's spacecraft.
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12. April 2006 @ 19:38 |
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Moonquake Concerns: Bases Might Need Special Construction
By Bill Christensen
posted: 24 March 2006
07:03 am ET
Moonquake-proof Moon bases? Clive R. Neal, associate professor of civil engineering and geological sciences at the University of Notre Dame, believes that special construction might be necessary if we persist in our goal to return to the Moon.
Information about moonquakes comes from seismometers placed on the Moon by Apollo astronauts from 1969 through 1972. The instruments placed by the Apollo 12, 14, 15 and 16 functioned perfectly until switched off in 1977.
According to NASA, there are at least four different kinds of moonquakes:
* Deep moonquakes (~700 km below the surface, probably caused by tidal in origin)
* Meteorites impact vibrations
* Thermal quakes (the frigid lunar crust expands sunlight returns after the two week lunar night)
* Shallow moonquakes (20 or 30 kilometers below the surface)
The first three mentioned above tend to be mild; however, shallow moonquakes can register up to 5.5 on the Richter scale. Between 1972 and 1977, twenty-eight shallow moonquakes were observed. On Earth, quakes of magnitude 4.5 and above can cause damage to buildings and other rigid structures.
Little is known about the causes, or the distribution, of shallow moonquakes. One possible explanation is that relatively young craters may slump. Neal and his colleagues are proposing that a network of 12 seismometers be placed around the moon to gather data; this would be part of the larger plan to find safe lunar bases.
So, who was first to work on the problem of moonquake-proof habitats? Science fiction writer Robert Heinlein is a good candidate: He made some suggestions in his 1948 story Gentlemen, Be Seated, which takes place on the Moon as a new colony is expanding. First, he identifies the problem:
"Every engineering job has its own hazards," he insisted, "and its advantages, too. Our men don't get malaria and they don't have to watch out for rattlesnakes..."
"Okay, okay," I interrupted, "so the place is safe... So you keep unnecessary airlocks. Why?"
He hesitated before he answered, "Quakes."
Quakes. Earthquakes-moonquakes, I mean.
(Read more about moonquake-proof habitats)
One solution that is offered is that of extra airlocks; by compartmentalizing your walkway or habitat, you can cut your losses. The second suggestion is that of flexible joints:
"Show him a flexible joint," Knowles directed. "Coming up." We paused half-way down the tunnel and Konski pointed to a ring segment that ran completely around the tubular tunnel. "We put in a flex joint every hundred feet. It's glass cloth, gasketed onto the two steel sections it joins. Gives the tunnel a certain amount of springiness."
(Read more about moonquake-proof habitats)
As a final suggestion, to be used during emergencies when relatively small leaks might result from quakes (or other causes), Heinlein suggests the use of "tag-alongs:"
There were perhaps a dozen bladder-like objects in the tunnel, the size and shape of toy balloons. They seemed to displace exactly their own weight of air; they floated without displaying much tendency to rise or settle. Konski batted one out of his way and answered me before I could ask.
"This piece of tunnel was pressurized today," he told me.
"These tag-alongs search out stray leaks. They're sticky inside. They get sucked up against a leak, break, and the goo gets sucked in, freezes and seals the leak."
(Read more about tag-alongs)
And beyond the Moon? One of the seismometers carried to Mars by the U.S. Viking landers during the mid-1970's remained operational. Only one possible marsquake was detected in 546 Martian days. The Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft detected what appeared to be changes to the Martian surface; Michael Meyer, chief scientist for the mission, speculated that the changes might have been caused by marsquakes.
Read more about moonquakes at NASA and SPACE.com; the Russians planning to build a moon mining camp could also use this information. Thanks to Troy and Fred Kiesche for contributing the tip on this story.
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jazo123
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12. April 2006 @ 20:30 |
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@ddp--
When I said "What Moon Landings?" I didn't know that you were talking about the first moon landing.
I definantely believe that it was real, have no doubt about it. And, as billybob posted, haven't they been to the moon since? This proves that it is not fake!
I don't think that the government would run a conspiracy like that, they don't gain anything from it. There would be no point to do this, and if they got caught, they know that they would be in deep $hit, so they'd just be risking too much for nothing.
That's my story, LOL
-Jazo-
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14. April 2006 @ 09:58 |
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hah... i think im gonna stop talking about cheese...hehe! we need a cheese thread on AD, where we can talk about cheese untill we are happy....Hmm....*ponders* :D
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jazo123
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14. April 2006 @ 10:02 |
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It's up to you to start it!
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14. April 2006 @ 10:13 |
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done and done :D
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14. April 2006 @ 10:15 |
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Nice Work!
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