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21. April 2006 @ 20:45 |
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trying to create first ever test dvd backup on a dvd+r dl disc. Now this orig movie is a dual layer "flipper" so I assume that I have to use dvdfab on BOTH sides of the original?
Which will mean the movie wont fit on a dvd-9?
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21. April 2006 @ 21:37 |
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There are currently 5 types of DVD disc and 5 different formats in use today.
The 5 types are DVD-5, DVD-9, DVD-10, DVD-14 and DVD-18
?DVD-5 single sided single layered holding 4.7 GB of data. Most blank DVD's are DVD-5 discs
?DVD-9 single sided dual layered holding 9.4 GB of data. Most commercially produced DVD's are DVD-9 discs
?DVD-10 dual sided single layered holding 9.4 GB of data (4.7 GB per side) Used for 9.4 GB DVD-RAM discs
?DVD-14 dual sided, one single layer and one dual layer holding 13.2 GB of data. Not commonly available.
?DVD-18 dual sided dual layered holding 17.1 GB of data. Only used for a small percentage of commercially produced DVD's requiring this capacity.
Most likely, you are dealing with a 'DVD-10' disc not a DVD-18 which is what you seem to be worried about. And yes, you will have to 'decrypt' both sides of the disc. If, indeed the disc is a DVD-10 (which is what I suspect) I'd put it on two single layer discs ...
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22. April 2006 @ 00:25 |
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You got it. Both sides have copyright protection, so both need decryption software to be processed. Just think of each side of a flipper as a separate disc. Actually that's what they have to be handled as. Just a matter of packaging. To put both sets of files to a DVD DL (DVD9), you need to splice them together. The editing may be more than you want to tackle if you're new to doing backups. An app such as DVD2One (check the name) makes joining files easy, but it's retail. DVDRemake is a good editing tool that's easier than most (retail). There's freeware as well. The easy out is to record each side of the flipper to DVD5. If you change your mind later and want to create a DL disc, you still have the option from the original or the 2 disc backup set.
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22. April 2006 @ 05:32 |
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Hmmmm. Looks like this would require 2 DVD+R DL.... each side of this disc created 2 files over 4.3 gb.. one side is 7.89gb and the other 7.73gb!
NOt a good trial case I assume! I will i likely try a smaller movie.
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22. April 2006 @ 12:36 |
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That's a dual layer flipper. Haven't seen too many of those. You can encode each side to a DVD5 or record each side with DL. I don't know how it would work out trying to encode the combined files to a single DL.
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22. April 2006 @ 22:01 |
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I am trying actually to not lose PQ therefore I suppose thats why I thought 2 dl blanks.
Hey thanks for replying. I am using DVD fab decrypter (supposedly newer and easier than DVD Decrypter which I tried - but I didnt know what all those options were for and my DL drive doesnt allow bitsetting)and use Nero recode to burn.
Wish me luck I am gonna try a shorter movie in case i blow it I only want to trash one dl disc not 2 =-(. The only DL I could find in staples were $5 apeice but that beats finding OEM discs scratched in the back floor of the wifes vehicle covered with road dirt
I suppose I can get them online for a lot less than that
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22. April 2006 @ 22:28 |
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I think I have more issues becasue I just checked the manuals for my non-pc DVD players and only my newest one will play DVD+R discs.
I assume I have to change the bitset or the booktytpe or something to DVD-ROM when I burn or I will be experiencing a serious compatibility issue in the home/car.
Now what
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22. April 2006 @ 22:55 |
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I'll assume you know your equipment and checking for the media they support. Over the past few years, most players have supported DVD ROM, +R, and -R. Now there are players that support even more formats including CD. The earliest players were DVD ROM, then -R was added, then +R was created and added, and things progressed. Along the line some players have had ROM support only and others with varying degrees of additional support. The player has to support the format.
Booktyping only works with +R and +R DL. Booktyping to ROM is supposed to make a DVD universally comaptible since DVD ROM is the universal player format. There can still be firmware issues with the media used, so booktyping isn't a panacea for all problems.
As for price, I picked up a 3 pack of verbatim for about $10 US and they're available cheaper online, as you mentioned.
At least you checked it out before getting suprprised. The equipment has to support the media. If it's more important to stay with players that only play DVD ROM, then you'll need a burner that will booktype. If only ROM and -R, I think you've figured it out, -R. Unless specifically made to support only ROM and +R, most +R players support -R since it came along first. As I said, the key to compatibility is the equipment supporting the media. Nowadays a standalone player can be had for less than a burner to do the booktyping, so it depends on your needs. Good luck.
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23. April 2006 @ 15:39 |
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Even better yet
My ZV6000 has the Matshita UJ-840D combodrive which is neither bitset or booktype enabled. And cannot find any updated firmware. Not lots o info on this drive out there.
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23. April 2006 @ 19:54 |
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Bitset and booktype are one and the same. I've seen a lot of complaints on Matshita drives. A lot of people gave up and are replacing them with one of the more popular brands. How are you faring with yours?
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24. April 2006 @ 11:04 |
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I have actually burned almost 50 fuji taiwan dvd-rs with it so far and also used it to rip 300 or so cds to a network drive and it seems ok... Burns slower than the circa 2003 pioneer dvr-105 in my desktop.... (I just picked up a DRU-810a this morning and I was trying to test it out w a bad disc (Reconstruction of disc thread). )
I havent tried any DLs with it yet. ANd I too have read all negatives about this drive but I am under warranty still and will use it as much as I can in hopes that it dies before my warranty is up and henceforth a new drive will be on HP.
But the biggest thing I noticed is it burns usually at 2 or 4x... lame...
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26. April 2006 @ 21:52 |
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The low speed burns is one of the big complaints, besides not working at all.
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