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The Truth and lies about bad media
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Sickley
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24. April 2006 @ 10:24 |
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@chris, i mainly burn dvds. however if anyone wants to compare cds its basically the same thing(do so.).
guys guys, what all of you say is only partially true. yes having upgraded machines and drivers and the correct settings will greatly improve burning, but it still doesnt misplace that certain disk manufacturers disks only give good support for certain drives. thats why when you buy a generic brand (not just labeled) its unlikeley to have good results. its also why some people say one brand is great while other people say that same brand is horrible. i will say that yes t.y. disks are the best. but not everyone of us want to go online and buy them, we like the convenience of buying them in stores.
im just sick and tired of all the threads that talk about bad media, when really it has more to do with their drives than their media...
yes im a newb at ad, but that doesnt mean im a newb at burning. im certainly not an expert, simply experienced. thats why im here at a.d. and if the people here want to look down at me because of it then i will gladly leave, this site has not be able to offer me anything that i dont know for about half a year and i spend more time burning than anyone i personally know.
it disapoints me that the newbs, members, and addicts are adding more important things to this thread than the seniors.
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Sickley
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24. April 2006 @ 10:28 |
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thanks for your advice joeryan, ill look into it better. then again the only problems i've had were cmc magnetics corporation :X
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24. April 2006 @ 10:37 |
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@Sickley - the 'status' doesn't mean anything at all...
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24. April 2006 @ 10:53 |
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creaky ! Well said ! I've learned Something from nearly everyone I've met here at afterdawn.com ! regardless of ststus !From The Grand Wazoo down to the Newest of the New ! And That as Martha Stewart would say " Is a Good THing " Keep up the good work ! ( In Moderation of Course ! LOL!) Smooth Sailing buddy !
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24. April 2006 @ 11:00 |
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@BIGTOXY69 - 'fraid i'm on dry land now :(
anyways, i'm a noob in lots of subjects, status really doesn't 'hold much water' lol :)
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24. April 2006 @ 11:09 |
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Reason for the question was Cd freaks thread was for Cd scans. Out of all the media I've used and burners I have scores and longevity comes down to Ty's [ yeah Doc you converted me] and Verbs. The burners I have are Plextor,Nec,Lite On,Benq, Sony,& Samsung.My Plextor 716 is my fav follwed by the Benq. Firmware and media DOES make the difference. My 2 cents Chris
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24. April 2006 @ 11:33 |
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Out of all the media I've used and burners I have scores and longevity comes down to Ty's [ yeah Doc you converted me] and Verbs.
hehe, i knew i heard my name mentioned somewhere in there, thanks for the acknowledgement Chris~ :)
as to a "sweeping generalization"...here it goes:
just wanted to add my 2cents to this discussion...
i can't agree enough with creaky on the RELEVANCE of scans and scans alone...the boys over @cdfreaks, they are the REAL "scanning buffs", we have a few members here that enjoy scanning and the such, but for me personally, i have the scans ready if i need to PROVE anything to anyone if they dispute me here...but, even that needs to be taken with the proverbial "grain of salt" :) i got dozens of scans with ALL my various drives, i basically own at least 1 or more of the major "brands"...ie. Sony, Benq, Liteon, Pioneer, Nec...with my only exception of Plextor (not because it's a bad quality drive, it's one of THE BEST quality drives out there, i just don't own one) hehe
but as you stated Sickley, i will agree that there is NO 100% guaranteed media, but there are MANY that are undisputedly "better quality" media compared to their competitors/other manufacturers~ :)
(Taiyo Yuden and Verbatim MCC quickly come to mind)
whether you want to debate whether a CMC-MAG produced disc will perform as well as a Taiyo Yuden produced disc, i can go on for DAYS only because i HAVE had CMC-MAGs fail on me with SEVERAL DIFFERENT manufactured drives (ie. Liteon, Pioneer, Sony, NEC, Benq, and an old Optorite too) :) so, it's NOT a question about which drives "support" said media or not...can 6 diff. manufacturers with CURRENT firmware at the time on diff. models, ALL churn out below avg. backup quality scores immediately after the burn and THEN 3 months later deteriorate to the point of NON-PLAYABILITY??? what is the chance of THAT being coincidence??
this is MY own experience, not that of any or all others who STILL believe in the quality (or lack thereof) of POOR quality media and that firmware is THE KEY to successful backups OR finding the "right combination" of burner/media/firmware to produce a decent backup? who in their right mind is willing to go thru ALL that trouble to backup a dvd they own? common sense should dictate that we ALL don't need to possess this "excess knowledge" at our fingertips in order to produce a successful backup~! we common folk EXPECT that when we go out and buy a decent burner, learn how to properly use software to make a backup, and then try some media bought locally to see if we can actually DO IT...that should be the END of it~!
but is it THAT simple? obviously not, you can see by the COUNTLESS threads on AfterDawn that once advice is given as to how to "tweak" the settings on various software burning applications, making sure the firmware for whichever drive is up-to-date, making sure in fact that the person with the issues has a "decent" burner (decent-excellent burners DO NOT have to be expensive, if you can afford a Plextor, by all means, go for it; but my Benq 1640/1650 can produce EQUALLY good quality backups on MY choice of media Taiyo Yuden as ANY plextor user can out there...and my Benq drives were less than $60 shipped each, which is already 1/2 the price of a Plextor)
the reason that I, among many others here, give our PREFERENCES for certain "brands" or manufacturers of media is that because we have EXPERIENCE with them and know what works and what doesn't on OUR particular setups...i myself probably have more diff. kinds of burners than the avg. joe, does that make me an "Expert" about drives, of COURSE NOT! but, it does mean that i CAN try various types of media (which i have...at least about 80%+ of ALL the various media available here in the U.S. i HAVE tried at some point or another...manufacturers ranging from Princo, Optodisc, Prodisc, CMC Magnetics (CMC-MAG), Ritek, Taiyo Yuden, Mitsubishi Chemical Corp. (MCC), TDK (their own "TT" coded media, Philips, smaller manufacturers that FAKE the MID coding of the "bigger/more popular" manufacturers, etc. etc. just to name a few off the top of my head)
there is a DEFINITE difference in quality between the various manufacturers i listed, the dye used is diff. among them as well as the standard of quality control they manufacture/produce to.
lot of variables to consider, i for one don't care to FIND a "supported drive" just to burn onto whichever "brand" media i find in stores locally or online...that's kinda working in REVERSE...shouldn't one BUY A BURNER first, then buy the less-expensive smaller spindles of various medias out there to "try out" to find which works the best for them? who the hell goes out and buys a GRIP LOAD of media, then painstakingly goes thru diff. burners until they find a "supported drive" that will successfully burn their truckload of media for their purposes? that's just downright retarded or you have WAYYY too much money on your hands to be able to afford a new burner each time u find out that the one you just bought isn't "compatible" with your media... :)
anyways, i'm ranting now...i'm going to leave this as my ONE and only comment to this thread...cdfreaks is KNOWN to be the "boss" of scanning various medias on various drives, that is NOT my cup-of-tea...so, i'll leave it to THEM to do all that work...
have a good one all and may you all find which media SUITS YOUR NEEDS the best in the near future for whichever drive you currently own, not the other way around...
i'll end by saying, you want the HIGHEST PROBABLEcompatibility with your current burner? stick with Taiyo Yuden and you will NOT go far wrong...not saying other kinds of media won't work with your drive, but if in doubt, try some TYs and see if your problems still persist after ALL other factors have been addressed (ie. firmware, DMA, enought RAM-memory, proper use of burning programs, burn speed, other setttings relevant to making a backup) :)
docTY~
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Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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24. April 2006 @ 22:19 |
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so, it's NOT a question about which drives "support" said media or not...can 6 diff. manufacturers with CURRENT firmware at the time on diff. models, ALL churn out below avg. backup quality scores immediately after the burn and THEN 3 months later deteriorate to the point of NON-PLAYABILITY??? what is the chance of THAT being coincidence??
Well said Doc.
@Sickley
A maxell or memorex (Here forevermore called affectionatley reffered to as M&M's) might burn fine sure, but months down the road wont play at all. Its the quality of the dye man! Sure firmware plays a role, but even if you can burn it, who cares if you can't play it a couple months later?
I made my mistake. Early on, I used nothing but memorex. I swear 9 out of a 15 disc spindle turned into coasters. The 6 that did burn now WILL NOT PLAY! ISO buster can't even fish out those files....
Its not about the burn... Its about down the road do you want to replace your whole backup library because you used those horrible M&M's?
M&M's.... they melt in your burner, not in your hand...
Cheecky little fellows...
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25. April 2006 @ 04:07 |
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Okay, the Doc has spoken, we can close this thread, 'nuff said.
Buy good media.
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25. April 2006 @ 06:51 |
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A maxell or memorex (Here forevermore called affectionatley reffered to as M&M's) might burn fine sure, but months down the road wont play at all. Its the quality of the dye man!
I agree that it's the quality of the dye ... but ... you cannot compare Maxell and Memorex discs
Made in Japan DVDs are some of the finest discs made rating right up there with the Taiyo Yuden and Verbatims of the world ... even the made in Taiwan Maxell discs will code as follows: +R 8x, either RitekR03 or RicohJpnR02 .. -R 8x, Ritek G05. Now the 16x, well you need to make sure that you get the MIJ in the 16x flavor
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I made my mistake. Early on, I used nothing but memorex.
I understand, and sympathize with your dislike for Memosux discs but .. leave the Maxell discs out of the same sentence as the Memosux discs ... plain and simple, they just ain't comparable
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25. April 2006 @ 07:59 |
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I have not had any problems with Maxell (MIJ) discs either.....Therefore maybe your M&M should just be M& for the time being.....
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25. April 2006 @ 10:10 |
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Not so fella's.... Maxell can be just as bad as Memosux.
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Made in Japan DVDs are some of the finest discs made rating right up there with the Taiyo Yuden and Verbatims of the world ... even the made in Taiwan Maxell discs will code as follows: +R 8x, either RitekR03 or RicohJpnR02 .. -R 8x, Ritek G05. Now the 16x, well you need to make sure that you get the MIJ in the 16x flavor
Now you can get some good ones every now and then. But it is like russian roulette. Eventually you are gonna get shot... In your own words you have to look where it comes from to see if it is any good. If it was of overall good quality, you should never have to do that.
In my opinion, and its just that, my opinion, Maxell SUX! MEMOREX SUX!
Most of the time, these are crap.
Debate away!
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25. April 2006 @ 10:32 |
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As the DOC stated in the other post,
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/242328
You cant get any better than AZO metal dye.
I only USE AZO dye media,
And these are the only ones I recommend,
Al-beit here or to my own friends and family.
If you want to konw what makes BAD media BAD look
at this image here.
On the flip side as to why AZO dye is superior,
Examine the image below taken from Verbatim's dvd media PDF guide.
The AZO dye'd media IS the best media on the market.
But dont take my word for it.
Goto the digitalfaq website and read for yourself.
http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm
The following list is in preference order. The best discs are near the top of the list. The discs at
the bottom of the list are suitable only for a landfill.
Almost flawless burns with 95-100% reliable results:
PVC = Pioneer = (-R)(-RW)
MXLRG01, MXLRG02 = Maxell = (-R) ... be aware of unbranded fakes
MCC = Mitsubishi Chemicals = (-R)<-----------------VERBATIM MY CHOICE #1
TDKG02 = TDK Corp = (-R) ... be aware of unbranded fakes
TAIYOYUDEN or YUDEN = Taiyo Yuden = (-R)<--------------FUJIFILM (made in japan) MY CHOICE #2
Decent discs, though not perfect, about 85-95%
success rate:
RICOHJPN = Ritek or Ricoh = (+R)
SONYD04 = Sony = (-R) ... be aware of unbranded fakes
PRODISC = Prodisc Media = (+RW)
INFODISC = Infodisc Media = (+RW)
RITEKG04 = Ritek = (-R)
RITEKG03 = Ritek = (-R)
OPTODISC = Optodisc = (-R)
Quality can be very questionable, about 50-80% success rate:
LEADDATA or LD01 or LD or LEDA = Lead Data = (-R)(-RW)
PRINCO = Princo = (-R)(-RW)
RITEK = Ritek = (-RW)
ONIDTECH = OnidTech = (-R)
Pathetic garbage media, landfill material, about 0-50% success rate:
RITEKG01, RITEKG02 = Ritek = (-R)
PIODATA = Lead Data = (-R) ... often sold as "Pioneer OEM" but that's false
Unbranded PIO = Fake Pioneer = (-R) ... often sold as "Pioneer OEM" but that's false
Unbranded SONY = Fake Sony = (-R)
Unbranded MXL = Fake MXL = (-R)
ACCU = Unknown OEM = (-R)
LONGTEN = Unknown OEM = (-R)
AN31, AN32, ANWELL, AN30 = Unknown OEM = (-R)
OPTODISC = Optodisc = (+R)(+RW)
MATRIX = Unknown OEM = (-R)
CMC = CMC Magnetics = (+R)(-R)
ANYTHING ELSE = Unknown OEM or NEW
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25. April 2006 @ 11:25 |
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I've read again some interesting points of view here regarding media, and some of what I read has brought me back to my question regarding SONY media, and what seems to be a broad misconception regarding MIT or MIJ disc. I've seen many opinions over the last year. And early on I've seen replies to this question made by other forum members and back then the reply would be that MIT scanned bad?Now it seems and as I always thought that myth has been dispelled. So I ask what are we standing by today as members when we suggest to uninformed members that SONY MIT disc are inferior to SONY MIJ? Yes, I have asked the question before and as always I'm pleasant in making my inquiry and point. It doesn't really matter to me personally because I know from experience that MIT to MIJ has never made a difference in how SONY media has performed for me.
I also use Verbatim disc a great deal and though Mitsubishi is a Japanese company, Verbatim disc are too MIT. I just ask that we not mislead and provide facts if not proof to support the arguement or point of view when suggesting to fellow members be it new or old that SONY MIJ are a superior disc media. Do you know how crazy people look sifting through SONY from in store stock? and as stated per my experience there is no difference, unless you just want TY media which can no longer be determine on the SONY disc itself but TY has it's unique rounded edge casing which is usually a strong indication that the contents are TY manufactured but again better than SONY MIT disc? Not at all.
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25. April 2006 @ 12:09 |
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As per Sony discs my newest experience with the Sonys were the MIJ 16x They coded out D-21 Sonys. Igot two spindles of these 100 discs for $14.00 thinking I got a hell of a deal They looked decent after the burn scanned out 95% plus. Played decent in a stand alone and on the Pc so far looking good. After 6 or 7 times playing the movie started acting like memosux. Thinking just a fluke went to the other spindle and burnt 4 more random dics all but three started acting uo.I imagine these other three won't be long before they start pixelling and freezing to.So now the kids get lots of cartoons and frsbys till their gone.Ty and Verbs are the only expenditures from now on. Chris
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25. April 2006 @ 12:17 |
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Not so fella's.... Maxell can be just as bad as Memosux.
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Now you can get some good ones every now and then. But it is like russian roulette. Eventually you are gonna get shot... In your own words you have to look where it comes from to see if it is any good. If it was of overall good quality, you should never have to do that
And just exactly what are your credentials to make such a sweeping statement?
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...looking through multiple forums (including this one and cdfreaks) and reading countless threads about preffered media
That explains your attitude about Maxell, you apparently believe everything that you read ...
I'm basing my argument on over 10,000 discs burned in the last 8 years ... I've used literally every brand, manufacturer, type and format of disc available countless times
In my opinion, and vast experiences, Maxell 4x and 8x media is first rate. And again I'm leaving out the 16x media .. after all in my limited 16x experience, Verbatim so far at least, is the only 16x media worth bothering with
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25. April 2006 @ 13:16 |
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And just exactly what are your credentials to make such a sweeping statement?
Jeez, calm down.... it is NOT a 'sweeping statement.' I would rather not buy them because, I have stated, I like to know what I am actually buying. "My credentials?" I burn. I learn. Pretty much yours to right?
First time I have ever been indirectly accused of not knowing what I am talking about.
All of this is just a matter of opinion. I have stated mine. You have stated yours.
Jizmak said in his post....
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MXLRG01, MXLRG02 = Maxell = (-R) ... be aware of unbranded fakes
As I said. You should not have to wonder whether or not your discs are any good. This is why I buy Taiyo Yuden. I KNOW THEY ARE REAL!!!!
I also said that there are some good maxell. I choose not to recomend or buy them, for already stated reasons. But once again, this is just my opinion.
Next time, just disagree! Hell, I might even learn something. But leave the 'he has no credentials, BS' out of it.
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...looking through multiple forums (including this one and cdfreaks) and reading countless threads about preffered media
That explains your attitude about Maxell, you apparently believe everything that you read ...
And I hope this was not aimed at me as well. If so, damn man, you are on a roll huh?
You know I didn't even post that right?
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25. April 2006 @ 13:35 |
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so then what im hearing is my newly bought HP740I dl lightscribe burner is crap. sure wish i new about this site before i got into burning..lolany suggestions on a economical burner to add to my system
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25. April 2006 @ 13:42 |
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I swear by NEC.
I love there burners. But, thats just me. I have an old NEC 1300A. Shes old, but she still burns!
I have also heard great things about Liteon as well. Don't know much about them though as I have never owned one. Many of my friends own them and swear by them.
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25. April 2006 @ 13:51 |
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Who said your HP740i was crap. It is either a rebadged lite-on or a rebadged LG both which are descent drive manufactures and capable of bitsetting. http://www.videohelp.com/dvdwriters.php?DVDnameid=1295&Search=Sea...
On the maxell debate. I would never put maxell in the same catagory as memorex. About the worst you will get with maxell is media made by ritek. Memorex who knows. Anywhere from cmc mag to infodisc to ritek. At least with maxell as long as you look for made in japan you will most likely get hitachi which is good stuff and ranks up there with verbatim and TY. Maxell is far better than memorex.
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25. April 2006 @ 13:55 |
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Well there you go...
I am gettin schooled. Bring on the knowledge boys.
I think I will still stick to Taiyo Yudens. Can't go wrong there, and I think thats something we can all agree on.
:P
All men profess honesty as long as they can. To believe all men honest would be folly. To believe none so is something worse. -John Quincy Adams
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25. April 2006 @ 13:57 |
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LOL
@cincyrob
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lolany suggestions on a economical burner to add to my system
with economical being the KEY word here, since you use the Lightscribe feature, def. the Benq 1655~ :) it's very inexpensive for what it can do, if you want a burner that does NOT have the Lightscribe feature...then go with the Benq 1650~ :)
i emphasize the "economical" in your query here, for the money, in MY OPINION, the Benq is the most "bang for the buck" if you utilize Benq's QSuite (which is a free download utility from their website by the way) :)
docTY~
or we can delve into more in depth research as mort81 suggested and find out WHO actually manufacturers your drive and work with what we got here~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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25. April 2006 @ 14:03 |
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kiv,
I second that. Benq = best bang for the buck.
PS mobo shipped 2day and should be here friday. Hopefully I can do some upgrading this weekend.
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25. April 2006 @ 14:23 |
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As far as burners go .. BenQ IS the best bang for the buck ...
And being secure in the knoledge that Taiyo Yuden media is real ... well ask Doc, he's had to identify TONS of fake TY as such in his TY thread ... NOT ALL TAIYO YUDEN MEDIA IS REALLY MADE BY TAIYO YUDEN
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25. April 2006 @ 14:27 |
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well ask Doc, he's had to identify TONS of fake TY as such in his TY thread ... NOT ALL TAIYO YUDEN MEDIA IS REALLY MADE BY TAIYO YUDEN
yeah, tell me bout it~! :) LOL~ hahahahahha
i have some FAKE TYs myself...they are really poor quality...
@mort81
that's great news, about time huh? good luck w/ ur build this weekend~ :)
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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