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The Truth and lies about bad media
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25. April 2006 @ 16:10 |
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mort81
thanks for the link. i agree
with everythig said in that forum. the lightscribe sucks due to being so LIGHT. and slow. but i havent burnt anything in it other than verbs either 16x or 8x+r's. i was hopeing i got a good burner. i kniow there are better but you gotta go with what ya can afford. everyone that complaind about this drive were people useing junk media. so theres your answer junk media does matter when burning no matter what drive you have.
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25. April 2006 @ 16:54 |
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This has turned out to be a very informative thread. Thanks for all the info.Chris
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25. April 2006 @ 17:37 |
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As far as the LightScribe drives go ... Mine has HP dvd740 on the front .. on the top it has LG/Hitachi 4166b or maybe it is 4167b I don't remember for sure ... and when I pulled the lid (I just couldn't help my self) it had a Matsushita chipset ...
I know HP firmware works in the thing, but It identifies itself as a LG generic on the PC it's installed in ... pretty weird
Anyways, here's the latest firmware for the HP740b as supplied by HP:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/softwareDownloadIndex?lc=en&cc...
And here's the LightScribe 'Extended Label Contrast Utility':
http://www.lightscribe.com/support/index.aspx?id=306
This really is a 'must have' if you want better LightScribe labels ...
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25. April 2006 @ 18:23 |
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All men profess honesty as long as they can. To believe all men honest would be folly. To believe none so is something worse. -John Quincy Adams
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25. April 2006 @ 18:30 |
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even some Verbatim discs are being made by CMC .. as long as the discs made by CMC aren't being made with CMC dye they're good ... the only thing bad about CMC is the discs made with their Kool-Aid quality dye
The Maxell CMC discs that I burned with my BenQ scanned pretty well and the dye was really dark .. looked like Ritek dye to the naked eye
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25. April 2006 @ 19:44 |
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How can you tell which mags are the crappy ones?
Just by looking or can DVD Identfier tell me?
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25. April 2006 @ 19:58 |
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Sometimes it's really difficult ... For example .. the Verbatim C-Mags are coded MCC, I think that in some instances the code only signifies the dye being used and not the true manufacturer
I'm under the impression that there is really only 2 or 3 different manufacturers in Taiwan .. and only 2 in Japan
Over half the media that's made nowadays is made by CMC Magnetics .. but only a fraction of that actually uses CMC Mag dye and plastics which is the el cheapo stuff
The bottom line is that it really doesn't matter who does the actual manufacturing of the discs but who supplies the dyes and blank discs
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25. April 2006 @ 20:18 |
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Gotcha.
Thanks for the clarity catfreak.
By the way, how many cats you got?
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26. April 2006 @ 05:37 |
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CATFREAK
you helped out again just did the lightscribe download there is a big differance in the new disc i just lightscribed compaired to older scribes, how do you find these things???? thanks for the insight
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rocky999
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26. April 2006 @ 06:48 |
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I've been using the "extended contrast" utility for about 1 1/2 months now and it works great. Just be aware that it only helps with DVDs, it does not help with CDs. I also have the HP740i drive and it has worked perfect for 3 months now.
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drnls
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26. April 2006 @ 08:12 |
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I live in a small town with Sams, walmart, office depot and a small Best Buy. My choices for media are memosux, sony, verbatims and maxells. Most of these are made in Taiwan. Some of the Maxell +R 16x are made in Japan. Are the Taiwan Verbatims as good as the Japan Maxell's? Also found 10 DL Singapore Verbatims at Office Max (recently closed). I think Best Buy has Sonys from Japan also. I have burned about 15-20 of the Maxell's with no problems. One of the DL's has a bad spot (freezes and skips a chapter) on LOTR Return of the Kings (processed fine - not sure what happened). So what is my best choice to use - locally? Thanks, Nelson
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26. April 2006 @ 08:42 |
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Are the Taiwan Verbatims as good as the Japan Maxell's?
Most verbatim DVD5 media will be made in taiwan and should be every bit as good as the maxells. Verbs are all I use.
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26. April 2006 @ 09:25 |
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now that doc's got everyone going i guess i can just tell my whole story of media, and be done with it :P (thx for the kick start doc!).
i used to burn a lot of cds. i never had any problems.PERIOD. but then i got a second computer and started burning on that because my main one was primarily for games :). however that computer was a peice of junk (waaaay too slow for burning) and i had bad burns on it about 8/10 (oy...).so i went back to burning with my main. then dvds came out and shortly after i bought a dvd burner drive. about this time i was beginning to have problems with bad media, not on my dvd burner just in generall, it didnt matter what brand i got (although some did better than others) i would still have at least one or two bad burns per spindle. i assumed my cd-drive was bad/going dead so i bought a new one. worked much better, but i was still having some problems with some cd-r's. by this time i was now burning a lot of dvds and less of cds, and i was beginning to find a few brands that didnt like my burner. i was thinking "its an nec, why am i having problems?". well needless to say i went browesing about read errors and bad burns. "ah-ha! bad media." but i kept surfing because generally theres a few posts here and there that can be of BIG help. after reading through some threads i saw that pretty much every media had been given love and hate (set aside t.y.'s). and i said, alright i guess i gotta get some of those discs and see what people are talking about. so i went serfing for prices. and i would be paying a considerably greater price for them than my store bought stuff, not to mention shipping time, so i decided to wait on that and went back to the forums. as i suspected the thing about certain medias being bad and others being good was not only half true but had less to do with the media itself than anyone would realize, someone mentioned about their drives being a plextor and lite-ons (of course i imagine that their are other drives that preform well on all media's but these are the only two that he metioned.). and so i decided to test this theory. i went serfing for more prices and realized that plextor was out of my current budget. so i bought a lite-on( dvdrw sohw-1693S). and let me tell you, it out preformed both my drives more than i had immagined (im trying not to exagerate here lol). it even can read some of my bad burned cd's! i can burn memorexs, maxells, sonys, imations, playos, some weird japanese named media, durabrands, and pretty much anything else ive thrown at it.(i know i missed some generic brands) of course these are the labeled brands which really could mean they are all they same, unlikely but possible. the only problems i have are cmc mags (and thankfully not many dvds are made by them yet) and i can burn about 90% success rate with them.
needless to say i am VERY pleased with my drives preformance. AND i got it on sale (SO THERE!) for $45, was $75.
i think i got all i wanted out this forum in the long run anway. thanks for all the advice you guys gave, stuff i already knew and stuff i didn't, and im glad that people will know not just to buy a different media (unless it's t.y.) and actually upgrade their software/hardware.
~sickley
p.s. i've had verbs come up under a different manufacture code and they dont make the same top end azo's anymore (they changed the name of it i forget what.) so personally i wouldnt compare them to t.y.'s any day. oh, and also about fake ty's PART of the problem is that they have given some rights to their name to some smaller factories (well at least that's what i've read).
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26. April 2006 @ 11:27 |
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I've got both verbatim DVD+R (media code MCC003) and TY DVD+R (media code YUDEN000TO2) and personally I have better results/performance with the verbatim's with both my lite-on SOHW-1653 and my benq DW1620 pro. I'm not sure where you got your info from but verbatim is still using azo dye.
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28. April 2006 @ 08:47 |
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I personally have noticed that brand names on spindles of dvd's does not gaurantee you bought what you thought you did. It seems that some of the manufacturers are into making a bit more profit at times and sometimes I end up with Ritek and even with buying the same brand name later on, I end up with CMC. It seems to really be a crap shoot on the quality end of things and sometimes the cheaper ones turn out to be better quality media than the expensive ones. I don't feel that buying a brand name will guarantee anything.
So basically what I find makes the most difference is burning speed and I will not burn cd's at over 20x nor dvd's at more than 4x for the time being. I dont think the burn is good enough at those higher speeds and can result in a lot of coasters which would not occur at lower burning speeds.
Also one of the major problems with burning seems to be copy protection related issues such as root kits and all that kind of thing, and especially related to putting a Sony cd in your drive. I know a guy who had that problem from simply playing a Sony music cd in his computer and it reset a lot of parameters etc and stopped him from doing a rip on other cd's as well.
My own experience has been that I have had more burning problems related to software issues and malware etc than from the type or quality of media. I have used NEC and Lite-on drives as well as several others and all of them had problems of one sort or another at different times.
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28. April 2006 @ 10:25 |
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Also one of the major problems with burning seems to be copy protection related issues such as root kits and all that kind of thing, and especially related to putting a Sony cd in your drive. I know a guy who had that problem from simply playing a Sony music cd in his computer and it reset a lot of parameters etc and stopped him from doing a rip on other cd's as well.
For those reason alone it's well worth purchasing AnyDVD ...
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StanH1000
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28. April 2006 @ 11:15 |
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I totally agree. AnyDVD is the best software for the money and well worth the expense.
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29. April 2006 @ 06:39 |
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Mort81, Since I got the LiteOn SHM-165H6S and the latest firmware (a test version HV8D), I have gotten amazing results using DL Verbs and lightscribe Verbs. I never thought any media would beat Taiyo Yuden as far as K-Probe or Nero scans were concerned, but with my setup right now, Verb's rule! Playback on both brands is excellent but the MIT LS Verbs really surprised me as far as quality scans go. The whole MIT thing really had me worried, but it seems as far as Verbatim, it's not an issue.
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30. April 2006 @ 07:47 |
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well, I read the first page, skimmed the second and skipped the third to add my two cents and experiences.
Alot of it does come down to drive support. When I first started burning, I used maxell +R and at the time they were 4X RICOHJPN IDs. I went on to use Ridata +R 4X G03s with no issues out of any of them. In between shipments a spindle of Maxells was puchased but these were 1-8X and ID as MAXELL. All failed in my burner. I found out that my old burner was no longer supported so a new one was installed. The LiteOn 1693S I installed wouldn't recognize those Maxells as anything but 6&8X. All 8X burns failed miserably through 3 firmware revisions while 6X burns did succeed. Those discs were the only ones I've tried that I've had issues with out of the numerous brands I've stuffed in the tray to burn at various speeds. But the whole time I'm having issues, people with BenQ and NEC are recommending those Maxells to everyone. Firmware support really is key IMHO.
On a sidenote, from reading, I've found that LiteOns do seem to perform better with +R media so I stay away from -R unless it's Verbs.
And another sidenote... the whole made in japan versus taiwan thoery is complete and utter hogwash. I've found from reading that MCC and TDK have moved some operations to Taiwan (and one source says inside of CMC facilities).... so you can be a lemming and buy the hype or do some research and decide for yourself.
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30. April 2006 @ 20:42 |
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NO, dont be done with it, this thread is great, I have learned much in the past half hour and am sure can learn more.
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Husker13
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5. May 2006 @ 08:09 |
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Earlier in this thread blivetNC talked about Sony drives being either made by Sony, Lite-On, or BenQ. I've been using a Sony DRU-530A for some time, and recently purchased a new Sony DRU-820A, which I haven't installed yet. Is that drive an okay performer? Where does one look to find the manufacturer of the drive, and what are the 'code letters', if any that identify the actual maker of the drive?
I love Verbatim Movie-Reel media!
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5. May 2006 @ 10:10 |
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Husker13
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5. May 2006 @ 11:31 |
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Thanks Mort, that link was very helpful!
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Husker13
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11. May 2006 @ 09:13 |
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Forgive my ignorance please, but I'm confused about 'Taiyo Yuden' media. Somewhere I think I remember them being the manufacturer of Fugi media? Is that correct? If so, how does one identify that you're buying authentic Taiyo Yuden media? Is it available under other names, or under its' own name? I haven't seen it in the retail stores. Because of all the good things I've read about it in these forums, I'd like to try some.
Thank you in advance for your response!
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