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sd72667
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30. April 2006 @ 12:09 |
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I bought a Sony DVD +R x16 50ct spindle last week at Staples (showed them the Best Buy ad) and made sure it was MIJ. When I use DVD Identifier it says
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:SONY-D21-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [Not Available]
Manufacturer Name : [Sony Recording Media Co.]
Manufacturer ID : [SONY]
Media Type ID : [D21]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x , 6x-16x]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.3.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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Is it a TY disc? If not, is it good media?
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30. April 2006 @ 12:23 |
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these are actually made by $ony, they are not as good as TY but are very good nonetheless.
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30. April 2006 @ 12:48 |
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Not ty!
Still ok.Not ty or verbatim good.
The japanese sony 16x yuden000-T03 should be showing up very soon.
Taiwan also makes some of those +16x sony,and have exact same SonyD21 MID code. Only differences: Made in taiwan on the paper wrapper and the plastic shrink wrap over that spindle is stiffer.
Both japanese and taiwanese sonyD21 will have the round/gray foam spacer holding them down on the spindle. When the Yuden000-T03 sony tys are out,look for the white/octagon spacer.
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sd72667
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30. April 2006 @ 13:05 |
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Damn Sony bastards. I'm just going to start ordering TY's online.
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30. April 2006 @ 15:20 |
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Damn Sony bastards. I'm just going to start ordering TY's online.
LOL, at least online you can be CERTAIN as to getting Taiyo Yudens if that is what your heart desires~ :) just make sure to order from REPUTABLE online retailers, ie. supermediastore.com, rima.com, meritline.com, and newegg.com (but, with newegg, MAKE SURE you order the Taiyo Yudens as specificially categorized, not some no-name brand that you THINK/have read are TYs with the TYG02s coding, this "fake TY" thing has been beaten to death because some member thought he was getting a "deal" by purchasing AVB brand thinking it was a genuine TYG02 code, which in fact, is NOT the case as the AVBs are "made in taiwan", there is NO way they can be genuine Taiyo Yudens...)
good luck~
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
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30. April 2006 @ 15:31 |
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i got some 16X DVD-R sony from best buy last week & they are TY (TYG03), they had the hexagonal spacer on top & made in japan label.
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N2DVD
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30. April 2006 @ 16:36 |
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No offense to anyone here, but the opinions here regarding quality and SONY remain unproven, It seems that these points are made from a competitive point of view rather than factual. "Not as good"? When compared to what? Memorex, Imation, along with many CMC and other non-quality sources don't compare to SONY qualty in any way. The short life span, stutter, or skipping are not characteristics of SONY disc media. So what makes them inferior to Verbatim which I also use or TY, the undoubted forum favorite or perhaps online favorite. Fella's (Ladies too:)favorite does not make them better(What ever your choice is). I think some find discomfort in a major name brand producing a quality product i.e. "Don't chase a major name brand". For which I can agree in some ways. But if they make a good product then that's just reality. TY makes a good product and very popular but I see nothing to say they are the tops. If I had to make that opinion based on manufacture publicly produce R&D, I'd have to go with Verbatim, visit their site and read up on their product and their dedication to quality and you'll see whay I make this point. With Verbatims disc being MIT we still bear hug a baseless opinion of best base on personal favorite, region, or origin of manufacture.
The fact that TY has counterfeit issues I know stems from their inconsistent or lack of labeled packaging not because they're the best. Flawed disc can be found anywhere to include all the top brands i.e. "a bad batch". Better than average or superior performance can be found with either SONY, VERBATIM, or TAYO YUDEN. But none better than the other. TY is huge in terms of manufacturing of DVD media so big that they make different grades of DVD media disc which cannot be readly determined. This does not make them worse than SONY or VERBATIM. I think it was smart of SONY to discontinue the coding that allowed one to diferentiate between manufactures which has lead to new baseless findings such as the spacer theory, which is just not true. "It's just s spacer". I use other SONY DVD related products also none of poor quality, understandably so they have a reputation to uphold. Yes, I know that they don't manufacture their products, very few major brands do. I think we create an enviroment of confusion when we side with popular unfounded opinion perhaps to save face. Disagreeing does not make us enemies. MIJ better than MIT...Why? I ask that anyone explain this none CMC related theory. Again, no offense members.:P
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30. April 2006 @ 16:51 |
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sony MIJ discs are ty's (& fuji MIJ i believe) thats why people prefer MIJ. search the forums & do a google search of other sites & the preferred media is TY. why? because it's what most people have had best results with. i am no expert on dvd manufacturing but will take the opinon of many, many people & follow their advice.
undoubtibly there is some media better than others, go buy a 100 pack of some unknown brand @ $5 per 100 & tell me that you get 100% sucess, as you won't be able too. i use verbs & TY & have 100% sucess rate (when burned correctly).
the spacer is mearly a way of telling if they are TY or not TY, go buy 10 packs of sony 5 with white round 5 with hexagonal & everytime this discs will be sony (round) TY (hexagonal) so this is not "baseless finding" it is proven fact.
i guess different people have different results with different media, all people are trying to do is give guidelines on what is good medi & how to recognise it when in other peoples packaging.
just my 2c worth :-)
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maxxjulie
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30. April 2006 @ 16:57 |
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I don't know anything about anything. I do know TY's give me quality score's of 97-99. PIF totals are always below 200 and even less than a 100 half the time. Sony's D21 media is mediocre. The quality scores are usually 96-97, but with PIF totals over 1000. I've tried this media with a benq 1655 and a benq 1640 with every possible setting. I can never get the PIF total under a 1000. PIE totals are much worse with Sony's D21 as well. TY is clearly better.
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30. April 2006 @ 18:55 |
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A quality score %, doesn't mean all that much. Many reasons why TY is loved over everything else, some probably to do with persistence, and not making a coaster pretty much at all.
But there is only 1 thing that will ever show a media is better then another, and that is "time". Time will tell, and thats basically it.
I have read a few times on this site, "use best for what works for you". I have had great results getting better and better as I go with TY. So until I see other wise, Ill stick with them.
Storm~
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30. April 2006 @ 21:21 |
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LOL
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I have read a few times on this site, "use best for what works for you". I have had great results getting better and better as I go with TY. So until I see other wise, Ill stick with them.
wonder where you heard that from? hehehe, i always tell people to "use what works best for YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL setup"...then if they want MY PREFERENCE/OPINION on media, all they have to do is look at my sig~ :)
@N2DVD
while i will have to agree with SOME of your points in the argument that you made, it BASICALLY boils down to you having GOOD success w/ Sony made media on YOUR INDIVIDUAL setup...i've read past posts of yours where you stated that your burner/setup is NOT TOO FOND of the TY produced Sony media, while you have nothing but success with the MIT ones~ :) hey, to each their own...i don't attack people for their OPINIONS on media, everyone has the right to THEIR OWN OPINION, you could say "CMC MAG is THE best media out there" for all i care and i won't attack your OPINION if it works WELL FOR YOU~ :)
as to the debate (ie. comparison) between Sony's quality, regardless of country of origin, to that of Verbatim, Maxell, unbranded TYs, Memorex, Imation, HP, TDK, Philips, Ritek, etc..etc...it's ONCE again ONLY YOUR OPINION that Sony's quality is as good as you seem to say it is, or "better" than TYs or Verbatim's MCC...i'm not trying to offend you, but you remind me of a member from the past that was banned for being such a "Sony fan-boy"...i'm not saying you are him, but why do you insist on arguing EVERYONE else that HAVE EXPERIENCE with Sony's own coded media and HAVE had issues? just because Sony's media WORKS SUPERB on YOUR SETUP, what makes them "better" than any other manufacturer's product out there? NOTHING...i will agree with you that it's VERY GOOD quality media, because YES, i have used Sony's own coded media in the past, but ON MY PARTICULAR SETUP and burners, TYs work "better" :) ONCE AGAIN, this is just MY OPINION, not fact, as to why i recommend TYs so heavily here on AfterDawn...it's my way of "sharing the wealth" you could say, i have THOUSANDS of burns on TYs and my success rate is well in the 98% range unless i run into the occassional "bad batch" that ALL manufacturers have now and again...some people have my kind of success on Verbatim MCC discs, hell, some people have my % of success with CMC MAG produced discs, it ALL COMES DOWN TO YOUR INDIVIDUAL setup/burner "liking" a particular media... :)
so, after all that being said, this site is all about people's "OPINION" on media, which ones work "the best" for THEM, and to each their own...i'm sure somewhere in the world, there is someone who is JUST AS OPINIONATED about CMC-MAG discs as i am with Taiyo Yuden...does that make him wrong and me right? DEFINITELY NOT, he uses what "works best for HIM"...and i likewise do the same...
as to you saying NONE of these comparisons provided here by all the various members holding any water, because they are OPINIONS, not "facts"...you are in the same boat everyone else here is in, suggesting that Sony media is "your favorite" despite country of origin, with the only "Fact" of the matter being that YOUR setup really "likes" Sony's media more than any other "brand" or "manufacturer" out there~ :)
at the end of the day, it's people here that want to express their OPINIONS about which media they "prefer" and which ones they dislike, and have supporting PERSONAL evidence/experience to make such claims; i think you need to view this whole "debate" on media from a less biased perspective, it seems to me that you ONLY get involved in a thread when someone "attacks" a particular SONY made media, but if someone were to start talking crap about ANY OTHER BRAND, you juss continue to read and move on...
just because a LOT of members here on AfterDawn swear by Taiyo Yuden and/or Verbatim media for their OWN BACKUP needs, why do you get so heated and bothered when someone reports "not so good success" with a Sony coded media? or that if he/she was LOOKING INTENTIONALLY FOR Taiyo Yuden produced Sony branded media, that you start defending Sony coded media again and justify as such that they need to be ridiculed for WANTING to find the TY made media under the Sony brand?
it's about educating the people who ask about finding such and such media under what brand and format that makes AD such a great place to learn from...i don't put a gun to anyone's head and demand them to buy Taiyo Yudens or else? if someone directly asks me "what media would YOU recommend docTY?" then i'll give it to them straight...it's just MY opinion once again...you think it's mearly coincidence that so many members here TRUST and USE Taiyo Yuden media for their backups? it wasn't ME that forced anyone to use TYs, it was from THEIR OWN SUCCESS with TYs that has convinced them to continue using TY products...are there gonna be "bad batches" here and there? of course, that will happen with ANY BRAND/MANUFACTURER out there...there is quite a large following here that use TYs, why? because it WORKS WELL FOR MOST PEOPLE and people go out of their ways to find out how to obtain it locally from those more experienced than they are...
there is no "best" media out there as you stated earlier, i will agree with that; but there is also NOTHING you can do to PROVE to anyone else that SONY is better than any of the other media available today...much like i can't PROVE that Taiyo Yudens are superior to ANY other media out there as well~ :) i recommend accordingly from MY OWN SUCCESS with Taiyo Yuden, if you are in the same boat as i am but with SONY media, all the power to you, i respect your OPINION about your preference for Sony quality. :)
everyone will have a diff. OPINION on what THEY prefer and what has WORKED WELL for them~ :P
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i guess different people have different results with different media, all people are trying to do is give guidelines on what is good medi & how to recognise it when in other peoples packaging.
exactly what i was trying to say, but in a less concise/ more verbose manner :) but i will have to agree with you 100%, everyone just trying to give guidelines and help each other find what they are looking for, regardless of the packaging; if someone is INTENT on finding TYs, such advice is given...if someone is looking for specific MID coding, then such advice will be given...it's about helping one find what THEY are looking for specifically, not a battle of "which ones is better" and "my opinion on media counts more than yours"...
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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30. April 2006 @ 23:47 |
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@ kivory666
Yes, i mainly meant you =), just forgot.
And about N2DVD trying to make a fight about it, I dont think he was think he was just putting his opinion out there, just like us all we all wont know how good TY really is for 5 - 30 years =\
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@storm1234
i wasn't "attacking" or even remotely "calling out" N2DVD, i wasn't looking for a fight or a battle with words, he expressed HIS opinion, and i expressed MY OWN~ :)
he made a statement in his post, so i replied accordingly, i have respect for his OPINIONs on Sony media as well as any other opinions he might have for other "brand names" or manufacturers~ :P
where we disagree, it's just a casual "disagreement"...nobody is RIGHT or WRONG, we just have a difference in OPINION~ :)
well, from a 3rd person perspective, if you feel that i seem to be "attacking/flaming" N2DVD, that was not my intention...
@N2DVD
if u feel i'm "bashing you"...don't take it that way, you rightfully so expressed YOUR views on media as i did MY views on particular medias...i was mearly replying to YOUR comments, didn't mean to "single you out" if that is what it seems like...if i did, accept my apologies as that was not my intent~ :) your very GOOD experiences with Sony media is welcomed by all, it gets kinda boring here if u don't "ruffle the feathers" from time to time~ :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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N2DVD
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1. May 2006 @ 09:29 |
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Again, no offense taken. I don't take member replies personally but I only question what the term "Not as Good" equates to, And ask that simple proof be supplied (Hey persuade me:). The way I read it, The general consensus is SONY is crap unless their manufactured by TY? Again why? To say this is not an opinion. It's a statement which by all means should be true and base on some sort of experience or result. I've never said TY was bad, and don't plan to. I buy SONY DVD disc media and yes I have an older PC as well as new PC and have never had bad disc with SONY or VERBATIM that didn't equate to user error, which is likely to happen from time to time.
I do feel the negative SONY opinion merely has a competittive origin and focuses on competitive down play. I think we should be more open and honest as members making the statement of who's better. VERBATIM alone proves that the best does not come from MIJ made disc media. And I've read nothing that clearly explains SONY's method of manufacturing i.e. sometimes MIJ sometimes MIT. Again so why the slander based confusion if no one here can produce proof as to why SONY disc made in Taiwan are crap unless made by TY. I felt I would again asked because the thread and question by forum member sd72667 pertains to SONY media.:P Thank You all for your opinions.:P
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storm1234
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1. May 2006 @ 10:38 |
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@kivory666
No I dont think you where, just think he wasnt either. No biggy
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maxxjulie
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1. May 2006 @ 15:47 |
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I would say Sony is crap unless it's TY.
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Again so why the slander based confusion if no one here can produce proof as to why SONY disc made in Taiwan are crap unless made by TY
hehe, that's where i will AGREE with you 100%, on my particular setups at my home, i do get better "quality scores" with Taiyo Yuden media over that of Sony's own coded ones, BUT i do NOT think that Sony media is "crap" as so many others seem to state... :)
a lot of people just "go with the flow" based on what OTHERS have posted regarding Sony media, it's a very vague and an "over the top blanket statement" you will find when members come together and talk about media~ :) my own quality scores using Nero cd/dvd speed testing is by far NOT CONCLUSIVE in any way to determine that Sony's own media is crap, it's a very limited testing batch and i would wager that MOST people on here have no interest in these testing results or have ever performed one...MOST average members base their backup quality on viewing the backup to see and look out for any pixellation/glitches/freezing/etc. issues that occur when played back on a standalone dvd player~ :) what most don't realize is that IF these issues occur, there could be a mountain of factors that contributed to it, and could possibly be that MEDIA CHOICE has no bearing on their poor results, but rather, burning program used, burn speed, system settings, multi-tasking, etc...all have to be taken into consideration as to WHY they are having problems.
i enjoy threads like these where people, such as yourself, take a step back and really examine the DETAILS behind media x,y, and z~ :) more often than not, people will overgeneralize a particular brand of media and automatically throw it into the "good" or "bad" category without any REAL experience with said media, it's always about, "i read that x media sucks" or "seems like everyone here thinks y media is the best" or "z media doesn't work on my setup, but my friend's computer works just fine with z media, what am i doing wrong?"
so many factors, so little patience...i applaud you N2DVD for taking the time to express your opinions regarding Sony media, it's unfortunate that i CAN NOT PROVE to you anything SOLID as my own experience with Sony coded media is limited to maybe 200 or so, i'm sure you've used MUCH more Sony media than i have or ever will; but as you probably noticed by now, MY experience lies with Taiyo Yuden, i didn't get my nickname on here for nothing, there is a reason to all this madness~ LOL :)
docTY~
Recommended Media:
Taiyo Yuden 4x dvd-r TYGO1/ 8x dvd-r TYGO2/ 8x dvd+r YUDEN000T02/ 16x dvd+r YUDEN000T03
Verbatim 8x dvd+r MCC003
Verbatim dvd+r DL (MKM001)= flawless no compression backups
"Do Yourself A Favor, Use The Good Stuff
TY & Verbs 4 Life~ :)" ~docTY~
"Its better to be quiet and appear stupid, then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."
I am always prepared to recognize that there can be two points of view - mine and one that is probably wrong - John Gorton
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Opinions about quality are about all most people can gather. The actual facts about quality are available from test equipment beyond most people's price range. (Expert makes the least expensive tester, but it's $50,000.) Scans on Plextools, Nero CD/DVD Speed, K-Probe, DVD Info, etc. show only how the reading drive is treating the recorded disc. Variables include the reading drive, the medium, the recording drive, the compatibility of the medium with the recording drive, the integrity of the file structures, and a number of settings in the computer. A bad scan can be due to any of these factors, and it is too easy to blame the disc. Consistently good scans with TY and Verbatim discs would generally indicate both good quality and good compatibility. Poor scans with other media on the same systems under the same conditions indicate either a problem with the disc quality or the write compatibility. Distinguishing between the two is difficult and expensive.
As for quality over time, there is a lot of work being done in the industry right now to determine the best way to determine "archivability." The final method will be environmental tests using chambers to test at 85 degrees C. and 85% relative humidity for a number of hours and checking for changes in PIE sum 8 levels. Once that is a test standard, manufacturers will all use the same method to predict expected lifetimes of their media.
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maxxjulie
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I never seen anyone defend Sony media like this before. You have to be on their payroll to defend that crap.
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8. May 2006 @ 11:30 |
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N2DVD,
Thank you for making a valid and unbiased point. I'd like to see more like your's around here more often.
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