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DVD-9 1:1 copy using Shrink+DVDFab Decrypter
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12. May 2006 @ 20:07 |
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Okay, what I've learned has come mainly from personal experience, so my info may be wrong, and I apologize ahead of time for any misinfo, and please feel free to correct me.
DVD Decrypter will retain the original layer break info if you rip in the iso mode, the mds file that is created contains all of this information, not the iso file created. When you burn with DVDD or Imgburn, it is a good idea to choose the MDS file so the original layer break can be retained when burning a DVD-9. It is a good idea to remove the layer break with Shrink or Nero when compressing the DVD to a DVD-5, this will allow the movie to play smoothly because there is no actual layer change (being that a DVD-5 is a single layer disc). On some DVD players, you will notice a slight pause in the middle of the movie when watching a DVD-9 (burned or pressed), this is the player swithcing from one layer to the second layer on the DVD. So in actuallity, you cannot remove the layer break from a DVD-9, because there are two layers, and there would have to be a break at some point to access the information on the second layer. Again, I'm still learning myself, so please correct me if I am mistaken, I still love to learn. :)
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brobear
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12. May 2006 @ 20:38 |
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You might have added that the default setting in DVD Shrink is to remove the layer break and that the user has to select the option if they want to retain the layer break. Also, the default is for DVD5 functionality and DVD9 can be selected.
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12. May 2006 @ 21:28 |
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Furthermore, you may want to reassess your findings. Part of the need to use an MDS with ISO depends on the file system being used, NTFS or FAT32. FAT32 can't handle file sizes over 4GB. In the case of DVD Shrink the backup files are broken into separate segments or segmented ISO made up of 1GB parts. The MDS file holds the info on the parts. All this isn't needed if one is using a newer OS with the NTFS file system, such as Windows XP. The MDS without the segments of the original ISO would be useless. With NTFS, a person can work with the original ISO without the need of an MDS file.
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As is typical for disk images, in addition to the data files that are contained in the ISO image, it also contains all the filesystem metadata (boot code, structures, and attributes). All of this information is contained in a single file.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iso_file
As can be seen from this, the original ISO contains the structural data (which can be recorded in its entirety with an OS using the NTFS file system). The MDS contains info on the parts created from an ISO on a FAT32 file system.
So, MDS is only needed with a FAT32 system, the original ISO contains the structural info everyone is talking about.
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12. May 2006 @ 22:13 |
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brobear
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12. May 2006 @ 22:22 |
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That's about using the reauthor function, which I sort of wonder at, since a DL will do the full disc. Plus, Shrink will process without setting the layer break and leave that to the pgcedit (which LUK stated). Nice additional info, but the discussion here was more about the layer break from the original disk and a full ISO made off that disc retaining the original layer break data.
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12. May 2006 @ 22:42 |
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13. May 2006 @ 00:28 |
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You will not have two bteaks.
I wasn't saying there would be. What I said, or meant to was that Shrink will leave in the original layer break info (default is to remove the layer break). Also, the DVD Decrypter can set a layer break. Not 2 layer breaks, but 2 possible sources for setting the layer break.
I appreciate the guides and links, there's some interesting reading there. However they don't get the questions answered and don't address what you were talking about earlier on the MDS file. If you don't have Shrink set to break up the VOBs into 1GB segments and it's an NTFS file system, then there is no need for the MDS. The MDS is for keeping track of the segmented ISO created by Shrink. Shrink was originally crafted for the older FAT32 operating system and the guides and most users address it as though it was still running in a FAT32 environment. A lot of people aren't even aware of the difference in the file systems.
Then we get all kinds of conflicting advice according to who one asks. Some people keep the layer break, and some people remove it. Some people opt to let the DVD Decrypter or ImgBurn do the layer break positioning. We have people saying the ISO created by Shrink is the Identical image because it's an ISO. Funny if it's being broke into 1GB segments with the need for an MDS file to keep track of the parts. Seems the more questions I ask, the more different answers I get and the waters become more muddied. I can get a decent burn, I don't need any more conflicting guides, what I need is some conclusive info on how the software is doing the job and which has precedence in certain situations and how they should be properly set. I'll be visiting the ImgBurn forum to check things out and then review what I can on the pgcedit relative to DL recording. At least I'll be able to see if it agrees with the choice for break position and if different how that works out. Seems LUK thinks it works better than his app according to the post you provided, at least for Re-authored files.
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13. May 2006 @ 04:23 |
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I just got my first dual layer burner and practiced on A Bridge Too Far. Put it on a Verb DVD+R DL disk. I got this from a King Kong thread a while back and I used it as a guide and it worked perfectly. Quick and dirty. With AnyDVD running use shrink to create an ISO image then burn automatically with decrypter the ISO image file. In shrink change DVD-5 to DVD-9 and make sure "remove layer break" in output files is checked so decrypter can choose its own. The only change I made in decrypter was to change the burn speed to 2.4.
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13. May 2006 @ 06:02 |
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@bigwop
That's the same way I'm doing mine. Works fine!
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13. May 2006 @ 06:26 |
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Why are people using shrink for Dl disks? Brobear go to www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/Helppro/layerbreak.htm and it will describe the layer break better than me. I dont think it has to do with the files
being split into 1 gig. Im pretty sure a layer break can be right in the middle of a VOB.
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13. May 2006 @ 07:11 |
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@club42
I'm using Shrink set for 9GB discs to create an ISO image file that I can burn with Decrypter. I'm not recoding a DVD, I'm making a copy of it. I've tried other ways but so far this is best method for my system I have found. The other two ways I tried had probs with the layer break and this does not. There are always several ways to accomplish a task with DVDs and I am using the best method, for me. Your's might be different; that's ok but don't question mine when I know mine works.
Edit: I might add, after all parameters are set; it's a one button start process to finished disc with two burners.
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bigwop
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13. May 2006 @ 07:41 |
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I'm definitely new at dl burning (2 days LOL). I just finished Bridge on the River Kwai and it came out perfect with the method I described. Change and check a few settings and one click and your done. If it ain't broke........
I'm using the Fat 32 file system
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13. May 2006 @ 13:37 |
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I dont think it has to do with the files being split into 1 gig.
You may have misunderstood what I was discussing. The 1GB segments are how Shrink is able to handle files larger than 4GB on a FAT32 file system. That's all that was about, along with the MDS being the file that keeps the structural info for those segments. Normally, in the NTFS system (think XP), the full ISO of a DVD contains the structure. I've seen people saying you have to use the MDS and some people say burn the ISO, that depends on the OS. A lot of people appear to be confused about the MDS file, with Shrink that is a construct for use on the FAT32 system.
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Why are people using shrink for Dl disks?
1) It's easy. As bigwop pointed out, simply turn on AnyDVD, open the files in Shrink, let it remove the layer break, and Shrink automatically fire up DVD Decrypter or ImgBurn to burn the ISO that was built (DVDD default is to set the layer break). It's a 1 click way to do a DL.
2) Shrink has the ability to either keep or delete the layer break info. Shrink can be used as a ripper (most transcoders can with a background decrypter) to put the files on the HDD for use from there. Rip and take out the layer break, rip and keep the layer break; user choices.
3) For those needing it, Shrink can process files greater than 4GB on a FAT32 system. Important for those that haven't upgraded their OS. Shrink was written with the older operating system in mind. Shrink works well with both the FAT32 and newer NTFS.
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14. May 2006 @ 17:43 |
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VERBS DOUBLE LAYER DISCS ON SALE THIS WEEK BEST BUY - $2 EACH
20 disc spindle on sale for $40, instant rebate thing.
Probably won't see a deal like this again for awhile, I haven't seen DL Verbatims on Sale for months.
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greenpaw
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15. May 2006 @ 08:35 |
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OK, I'm totally new to the DL thing.
Am I over simplifying things or can I just use DVD shrink to open the dvd and rip it, and then let Nero burn from there just like I did with DVD-5 ?
And if I do it that way, do I leave that "Remove Layer Break" setting checked or do I uncheck it?
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15. May 2006 @ 09:23 |
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I've never used Nero to burn DL. The Nero 6 was supposed to be a stinker. The Nero 7 is supposed to be improved. I've heard conflicting reports on how well it sets the layer break. A lot of people are having good success with Shrink (removing layer break) and burning with DVD Decrypter or ImgBurn which sets the layer break. Of course you have to change the preference settings in Shrink from DVD5 to DVD9.
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15. May 2006 @ 09:35 |
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brobear: I've never used Nero to burn DL. The Nero 6 was supposed to be a stinker. The Nero 7 is supposed to be improved. I've heard conflicting reports on how well it sets the layer break. A lot of people are having good success with Shrink (removing layer break) and burning with DVD Decrypter or ImgBurn which sets the layer break. Of course you have to change the preference settings in Shrink from DVD5 to DVD9.
How do I change it to burn with DVD Decrypter, usually when I use shrink it rips the dvd, then opens the tray and asks for the disc and burns with Nero automatically?
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brobear
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15. May 2006 @ 09:58 |
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In the burn settings (Backup -> Target Device -> Select backup target:) you select the option to create "ISO Image File and burn with DVD Decrypter".
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greenpaw
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15. May 2006 @ 10:08 |
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THANKS! I'll give it a try on the next burn!
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brobear
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15. May 2006 @ 10:18 |
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In Preferences remember to set to DVD9 for DL.
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15. May 2006 @ 12:05 |
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You'll probably have to change another setting:
Shrink/edit/preferences/File-I/O- untick the box that says enable burn with nero/then OK.
I did a DL the other day, ripped with DVD Decrypter in ISO read mode/opened up IMGburn/located the MDS files/open/and burned at 2.4x. The scan turned out around a score of 95 so not too shabby.
This took 15 mins to rip,and 30 mins+ to burn at 2.4x speed. Total of 7.5 gbs!
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15. May 2006 @ 12:11 |
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I didn't need to change that one. The selection to burn with Decrypter in Backup appears to override the one in preferences. Since I put the ImgBurn.exe in Decrypter, it burns automatically with ImgBurn.
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toberman
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20. May 2006 @ 22:44 |
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I'm trying to create an ISO using shrink with ANY DVD activated. I keep getting the following error:
Data Error, Cyclic Redundancy Check.
Anybody know why this is happening and how to correct it?
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21. May 2006 @ 05:49 |
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CRC?
Cyclitical Redundancy Check error. This means there are bad sectors on the dvd you are trying to re-rip. It can be damaged/dirty/a bum press/or encryption related.
If it's encryption related,anydvd should take care of it when activated.
So,you can try: Clean the disc/look for scratches-rubs-or any other defects. Also try with anydvd disabled.
Try another program. Dvd decrypter is a more aggressive ripper. Set it up for ripping in Brute force and Ignore all read errors. It'll sometimes get through those crc errors.
I just ran into that CRC on an older title. It errored out the first time,so I closed out/did it again and dvd shrink was able to get through it the second time.
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21. May 2006 @ 15:32 |
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I used shrink to make an iso (removed the break) and let decrypter burn the dvd... however when I play it.. the movie freezes on the break I am guessing, so I have to rewind it and then it plays perfectly through the break..
Why is this?
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